ISO 639-6 codify dialects (at least the major ones). You should check first if the dialect has that code and just if it doesn't have, you should think about creating new code (likely to suggest it as new ISO 639-6 code). On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 5:50 PM, JP Béland <lebo.beland(a)gmail.com> wrote:

How about using categories? On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 12:13 PM, JP Béland <lebo.beland(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- "Imagina un mundo en el que cada ser humano tiene la posibilidad de acceder a la suma de todo el conocimiento. Ese es nuestro compromiso." Carlos Manuel Colina Tesorero A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela J-40129321-2 +58-416-9051946

Several wikis also use templates, eg: https://vls.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patr%C3%B4on:Veranderplat https://bar.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Dialekt-oben 2012/9/6 Carlos Colina <jewbask(a)wikimedia.org.ve>

Good day Milos (and others if you know about that), I'd like to investigate that more please if you could assist me. My contact at the Cree Cultural Institute (after I told him we could create an Innu Wikipedia separate from the Cree one which has Innu articles right now) that we (may) should divide the Innu into dialects as well because of huge phonological differences between West and East. On Ethnologue, where Innu is called Montagnais (ISO code moe), they mention Western Montagnais and Eastern Montagnais (exactly as described by the guy from the Cree Cultural Insitute), but they don't mention any "sub-codes" for those. See http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=moe . That being said, what would be the advantages of having those codes for the "sub-dialects"? I mean, the intent is not to have separate Wikipedias. It's perfectly possible to sort the articles according to those dialect on one Wikipedia without having codes. Thanks, JP 2012/9/6 Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com>

I agree with you when saying the communities are too small to sustain two editions of Wikipedia, and that's why I even think Innu dialects should remain on the main Cree Wikipedia, hence my question about how effectively index all dialects to make it easy to find them and for contributor of another dialect to use them to translate in its own dialect. I just remembered that I had created a stub for a main page 8 months ago to try to show how we could sort all dialects on the Cree Wikipedia: http://cr.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Amqui/Main_page What do you think? Thanks, JP 2012/9/6 Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com>

Hoi, When people ask for a Wikipedia, there are procedures to get them. When people ask for functionality that affects the considerations applied within those procedures, it is for the language committee to formulate an opinion. When the line between dialects and languages is obfusicated it will be a proper argument using the right vocabulary to convince. The right vocabulary is that it is ISO who decides what is a language and what is not. Anything different is not acceptable. The notion that we can add to ISO-639-6 is a definite no. When multiple languages want to collaborate in one Wikipedia, the standard answer is no. Particularly when people discuss such wishes are not the native speakers involved it is likely to be a "NO". This discussion list can discuss and it will typically find people of the language committee interested and inclined to listen to good arguments. However, the problem with exceptions to a rule is that people will consider them as the new rule. This may mean that an exception around Cree may be seen as an argument for applying it as the rule for a different set of circumstances. Thanks, Gerard On 7 September 2012 00:51, JP Béland <lebo.beland(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hoi, When you want to close options as possibilities in this way so be it. Thanks, Gerard On 7 September 2012 12:07, Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hoi JP, When I saw your draft main page, that reminded me of the joint wikipedia for Alemannic, Alsacian, Suebian and Swiss German, cf. http://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houptsyte I tried to find out how they assign a specific dialect to an article but was not successful in determining that (I’m a linguist, not an IT expert). Maybe you’re already aware of what they’re doing and to what extent it’s similar or different to what you’re trying to do. Best, BT _____ From: JP Béland [mailto:lebo.beland@gmail.com] Sent: 07 September 2012 01:51 To: Languages discussion and Wikimedia Indigenous Languages Subject: Re: [Languages] Extension to indicate dialects I agree with you when saying the communities are too small to sustain two editions of Wikipedia, and that's why I even think Innu dialects should remain on the main Cree Wikipedia, hence my question about how effectively index all dialects to make it easy to find them and for contributor of another dialect to use them to translate in its own dialect. I just remembered that I had created a stub for a main page 8 months ago to try to show how we could sort all dialects on the Cree Wikipedia: http://cr.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Amqui/Main_page What do you think? Thanks, JP 2012/9/6 Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:54 PM, JP Béland <lebo.beland(a)gmail.com> wrote: contact that is the It's If the information on Ethnologue is correct, it suggests implicitly that there is one standard language; or that the differences between the dialects are not big. But, anyway, no matter of differences, the population is too small to be able to drive two Wikipedia editions. I suggest creating one Innu Wikipedia with possibility to write in all dialects. Or, if possible, to create a kind of conversion engine in the future, so all communities would be able to contribute and read in their own dialect on the same pages. _______________________________________________ Languages mailing list Languages(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/languages

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: Fights? I don't see any :P We can. We can build the new infrastructure, which would include more careful work with language diversity. I see this group and the initiative in that direction. If JAC would be willing to use the benefits of our work, their process would be improved. If not, we'd have our process.

Yes that's exactly what we are looking at. Thanks, I didn't know about that project. JP Le 7 sept. 2012 09:54, "Carlos Manuel Colina" <jewbask(a)wikimedia.org.ve> a écrit :