For the 3 (?) variants of Zazaki (zza) we have two locales, diq and kiu; only diq has a Wikipedia subdomain. Users are blatantly unable to reach any agreement on anything and have been quarrelling for about a decade now without any progress. Edit wars recently forced me to begin a disarmament.
https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:User_talk:1917_Ekim_Devrimi/Edit_wars#... https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal_talk:Diq
Does someone here have experience of resolving such intra-locale conflicts when no "real world" recognised/nonpartisan authority on the language seems to exist? Some peer advice to the translators may be fruitful.
The general discussion on the matter seems to be https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Zazaki_wikipedia , then there are a number of a discussions on specific incidents. https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Diq and https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Kiu are very basic.
Nemo
Hoi, Zazaki is a macro language. When the constituent languages find that they are not the same, it is not a surprise. It is why we do not accept macro languages for projects. Thanks, GerardM
On 12 December 2016 at 09:02, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
For the 3 (?) variants of Zazaki (zza) we have two locales, diq and kiu; only diq has a Wikipedia subdomain. Users are blatantly unable to reach any agreement on anything and have been quarrelling for about a decade now without any progress. Edit wars recently forced me to begin a disarmament.
https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:User_talk:1917_Ekim_ Devrimi/Edit_wars#Edit_wars_52385 https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal_talk:Diq
Does someone here have experience of resolving such intra-locale conflicts when no "real world" recognised/nonpartisan authority on the language seems to exist? Some peer advice to the translators may be fruitful.
The general discussion on the matter seems to be https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Zazaki_wikipedia , then there are a number of a discussions on specific incidents. https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Diq and https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Kiu are very basic.
Nemo
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Gerard Meijssen, 13/12/2016 06:46:
Zazaki is a macro language. When the constituent languages find that they are not the same, it is not a surprise. It is why we do not accept macro languages for projects.
Yes, but the existing language codes are being abused as a macrolanguage, without any agreement between translators.
Nemo
Hoi, There is only one language code abused. There are no translators there are editors.
They have two options:
- cooperate - split
When they split, they have to do the localisation for both languages. They may use the current stuff as a base. I do not mind. Given that this is not about a new Wikipedia but remedying a current situation, we do not need to go through the Incubator. But they have to make their choice; split up or cooperate. Thanks, GerardM
On 13 December 2016 at 07:20, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Gerard Meijssen, 13/12/2016 06:46:
Zazaki is a macro language. When the constituent languages find that they are not the same, it is not a surprise. It is why we do not accept macro languages for projects.
Yes, but the existing language codes are being abused as a macrolanguage, without any agreement between translators.
Nemo
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