Thanks Fae! So it looks like there's no way of designating the language of say an
artwork title as "Romanised Chinese, Pinyin System" and "Romanised
Japanese, Modified Hepburn" is that correct? I suppose I could simply state those
additional titles as a separate field, maybe called "Romanised Title", or within
the notes and not worry about using a template for those.
Best,
Nora
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1. Re: [Wikimaps] uploading Geo- referenced map (Tim Waters)
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 14:27:38 +0100
From: Tim Waters <chippy2005(a)gmail.com
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Hi Folks,
James is correct, there are two ways to import existing Ground Control Points. The first
is in CSV format for imported maps which has to be run by a server admin - ideally this
should be exposed as part of the user interface. This can handle multiple maps and
multiple points at once.
The second is doing it by hand via the user interface - a user can paste in coordinates
manually, so that would be the easiest and quickest way for individual maps. In the
control panel, click "control points" link and then the "add control point
manually" button, and paste in the coordinates.
Regarding projections - for many old maps these cannot be used accurately, because paper
stretches, the lens on the camera may distort things, the map may have folds or be made of
several images, or it may be inaccurately surveyed. In theory it could be possible to
reverse engineer the original projection based on the solution of the control points -
that could be a fun exercise for someone to do even though it would have no utility for
the warper.
Regards,
Tim
On 27 April 2015 at 12:48, Rob H Warren <warren(a)muninn-project.org> wrote:
Mapwarper could do so without too much trouble (Tim?); it is unlikely
that the projection can be estimated since an algorithm could not
differentiate between error and projection fit. -rhw
On Apr 25, 2015, at 9:18 AM, James Heald
<j.heald(a)ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
There is a slot for that in the Commons {{map}} description template
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Map
using the field "projection",
with a handful of values that have internationalisations defined at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:I18n/map_projection
But it's not clear whether/how the template should store relevant
parameters.
I'm not sure whether the information can be used as a baseline by
MapWarper yet. (Tim ?). Or whether there are good scripts available
to estimate a projection, given georeferencing points.
-- J.
On 25/04/2015 13:06, Rob H Warren wrote:
> If we are going to go through the trouble of storing
> geo-referencing
data, we would be silly not to add original projection type when known.
There are a few specs on github for ideas. -rhw
>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 8:28 PM, James Heald <j.heald(a)ucl.ac.uk>
wrote:
>
>> MG_1773.jpg,12,23,11.2,32.2
>> IMG_1773.jpg,12,23,10.2,31.1
>
>> from which there is script that an admin can use to add the data
>> to
the map-warper.
>
>> This doesn't capture all of the data stored by Klokan
>> Georeferencer --
eg the useful information as to what layer the image was georeferenced
against -- but is enough to get the geo-referencing data into the
system, and to then get it out in various formats, including serving
georeferenced tiles.
>
>
>> Sorry if it's all still a little bit round-the-houses; but with
>> luck
everything should get a bit more streamlined, as we get more geared up
for large scale import.
>
>> (There are already a couple of thousand images on Commons with
>> links
to external georeferencing, either at NYPL or the British Library;
plus ready to be uploaded to Commons a further 6,000 georeferenced map
images from the BL Mechanical Curator collection, just as soon as I've
got auto-categorisation a bit more worked out, with that number
currently increasing by approximately a further 100 georeferenced
images a day
>>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_
Curator_collection/georeferencing_done
).
>>
>>> As far as I know, nobody has yet actually used the script to
>>> import
pre-existing georeferencing onto the
warper.wmflabs.org server, so I'm
quite interested to see how you get on!
>>
>>> Best regards,
>>
>>> James.
>
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From: Rob H Warren <warren(a)muninn-project.org
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If we are going to go through the trouble of storing geo-referencing data, we would be
silly not to add original projection type when known. There are a few specs on github for
ideas. -rhw
On Apr 24, 2015, at 8:28 PM, James Heald
<j.heald(a)ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
MG_1773.jpg,12,23,11.2,32.2
IMG_1773.jpg,12,23,10.2,31.1
from which there is script that an admin can use to add the data to the map-warper.
This doesn't capture all of the data stored by Klokan Georeferencer -- eg the useful
information as to what layer the image was georeferenced against -- but is enough to get
the geo-referencing data into the system, and to then get it out in various formats,
including serving georeferenced tiles.
Sorry if it's all still a little bit round-the-houses; but with luck everything
should get a bit more streamlined, as we get more geared up for large scale import.
(There are already a couple of thousand images on Commons with links
to external georeferencing, either at NYPL or the British Library; plus ready to be
uploaded to Commons a further 6,000 georeferenced map images from the BL Mechanical
Curator collection, just as soon as I've got auto-categorisation a bit more worked
out, with that number currently increasing by approximately a further 100 georeferenced
images a day
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curat…
).
As far as I know, nobody has yet actually used the script to import pre-existing
georeferencing onto the
warper.wmflabs.org server, so I'm quite interested to see how
you get on!
Best regards,
James.
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:48:59 -0300
From: Rob H Warren <warren(a)muninn-project.org
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Mapwarper could do so without too much trouble (Tim?); it is unlikely that the projection
can be estimated since an algorithm could not differentiate between error and projection
fit. -rhw
On Apr 25, 2015, at 9:18 AM, James Heald
<j.heald(a)ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
There is a slot for that in the Commons {{map}} description template
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Map
using the field "projection",
with a handful of values that have internationalisations defined at
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:I18n/map_projection
But it's not clear whether/how the template should store relevant parameters.
I'm not sure whether the information can be used as a baseline by MapWarper yet.
(Tim ?). Or whether there are good scripts available to estimate a projection, given
georeferencing points.
-- J.
On 25/04/2015 13:06, Rob H Warren wrote:
If we are going to go through the trouble of
storing geo-referencing
data, we would be silly not to add original projection type when
known. There are a few specs on github for ideas. -rhw
On Apr 24, 2015, at 8:28 PM, James Heald
<j.heald(a)ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
MG_1773.jpg,12,23,11.2,32.2
IMG_1773.jpg,12,23,10.2,31.1
from which there is script that an admin can use to add the data to the map-warper.
This doesn't capture all of the data stored by Klokan Georeferencer -- eg the useful
information as to what layer the image was georeferenced against -- but is enough to get
the geo-referencing data into the system, and to then get it out in various formats,
including serving georeferenced tiles.
Sorry if it's all still a little bit round-the-houses; but with luck everything
should get a bit more streamlined, as we get more geared up for large scale import.
(There are already a couple of thousand images on Commons with links
to external georeferencing, either at NYPL or the British Library; plus ready to be
uploaded to Commons a further 6,000 georeferenced map images from the BL Mechanical
Curator collection, just as soon as I've got auto-categorisation a bit more worked
out, with that number currently increasing by approximately a further 100 georeferenced
images a day
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curat…
).
As far as I know, nobody has yet actually used the script to import pre-existing
georeferencing onto the
warper.wmflabs.org server, so I'm quite interested to see how
you get on!
Best regards,
James.
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Date: Wed, 20 May 2015 15:44:30 +0100
From: Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Glamtools] Hello + language template enquiry
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Hi Nora,
The Commons language policy can be found at <
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Language_policy>gt;. To put any language in an
artwork or information template, you just add a template around the text like
{{en|1=<your text>}} for english or {{zh|1=<your
text>}} for chinese. The language templates are listed with more
explanation at <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Language_templates
As an example, here's one in a mass upload of mine from the World Digital Library <
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_Comprehensive_Calendar_Arranged_by…
it displays in 7 languages, you should be able to
toggle between them
unless your settings are to display all languages at the same time.
Cheers,
Fae
On 20 May 2015 at 13:40, McGregor, Nora <Nora.McGregor(a)bl.uk> wrote:
> Hiya! Just introducing myself to the list as I suspect I’ll have lots
> of questions for you over the course of trying to learn the GWToolset!
> Ally Crockford, James Heald and Jonathan Cardy were very helpful last
> week in getting us up to speed over at British Library.
> I’m currently working on getting this collection up so you may see
> lots of tests on the Beta Site around that
>
http://www.jacar.go.jp/english/jacarbl-fsjwar-e/gallery/index.html.
> I’ve just about got my xml file crafted but want to add in the right
> language templates and am having a bit of trouble finding the right ones.
> Please see the metadata attached.
> *Images created in Japan*
> English (en)
> Japanese (ja)
> Romanised Japanese (?)
> *Images created in China*
> Chinese (?)
> English (en)
> Romanised Chinese, Specifically Pinyin (?)
> Japanised (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanization)/ Translation of
> the Chinese into Japanese (?) I thought I could use ja for this though
> the curator pointed out that strictly speaking it’s not Japanese…?
> Seeking further clarification from them but thought I’d throw it in
> there in the meantime!
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