I received this morning an Echo notification for a new page that I created:
Meadow Fire was reviewed byTillman.
I never paid much attention to page review notifications ( I haven't created many new pages since Echo was deployed) but it strikes me that these messages do not convey any meaningful information to the recipient:
* they refer to a "new page review" process that most new editors are definitely not aware of (when creating a page we don't tell the page creator: your page will be reviewed") and don't provide any link to it. * they mention a moderation action that the user will have trouble interpreting (is this good? Is this bad? Am I supposed to do something? Should I talk to the reviewer that the notification links to? What happens now to the page that I created?) * if the notification is not meant to be actionable but is supposed to work as a positive feedback signal, it's poorly designed for this purpose in its current form.
I'd like to hear thoughts from this list on the intended purpose of this notification and how we can improve it so the recipient understands what s/he is being notified about.
Dario
It's also worth noting that "reviewed" may not be okay. So, if people patrol pages without using New Pages Feed, it does not review it: the 'reviewed' notification instead means 'Oliver has come along and checked the tagging was appropriate and now he can remove this item from the list so it stops clogging the tubes'. The result is that the new user can receive, in order, "YOUR ARTICLE IS A COPYRIGHT VIOLATION IT WILL BE EXT-ER-MI-NAAATED!' and 'thanks for the article!'.
On 11 September 2014 12:00, Dario Taraborelli dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org wrote:
I received this morning an Echo notification for a new page that I created:
Meadow Fire <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meadow_Fire> was reviewedbyTillman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tillman.
I never paid much attention to page review notifications ( I haven't created many new pages since Echo was deployed) but it strikes me that these messages do not convey any meaningful information to the recipient:
- they refer to a "new page review" process that most new editors are
definitely not aware of (when creating a page we don't tell the page creator: your page will be reviewed") and don't provide any link to it.
- they mention a moderation action that the user will have trouble
interpreting (is this good? Is this bad? Am I supposed to do something? Should I talk to the reviewer that the notification links to? What happens now to the page that I created?)
- if the notification is not meant to be actionable but is supposed to
work as a positive feedback signal, it's poorly designed for this purpose in its current form.
I'd like to hear thoughts from this list on the intended purpose of this notification and how we can improve it so the recipient understands what s/he is being notified about.
Dario
EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee
The request for an additional notification-type, is https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57517 (Notifications for "page patrolled" are marked and linked identically to "page reviewed") (I'm not sure if it was originally intended for both, or just for page curation?)
Dario makes a good point that the notification could be a lot clearer. Currently it only links to the Page and to the username of the Reviewer/Patroller. It should also link to either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/patrolled_pages (actually, those both probably need better targets to send newcomers to... :-/ Perhaps that's the holdup?)
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
It's also worth noting that "reviewed" may not be okay. So, if people patrol pages without using New Pages Feed, it does not review it: the 'reviewed' notification instead means 'Oliver has come along and checked the tagging was appropriate and now he can remove this item from the list so it stops clogging the tubes'. The result is that the new user can receive, in order, "YOUR ARTICLE IS A COPYRIGHT VIOLATION IT WILL BE EXT-ER-MI-NAAATED!' and 'thanks for the article!'.
On 11 September 2014 12:00, Dario Taraborelli dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org wrote:
I received this morning an Echo notification for a new page that I created:
Meadow Fire <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meadow_Fire> wasreviewed byTillman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tillman.
I never paid much attention to page review notifications ( I haven't created many new pages since Echo was deployed) but it strikes me that these messages do not convey any meaningful information to the recipient:
- they refer to a "new page review" process that most new editors are
definitely not aware of (when creating a page we don't tell the page creator: your page will be reviewed") and don't provide any link to it.
- they mention a moderation action that the user will have trouble
interpreting (is this good? Is this bad? Am I supposed to do something? Should I talk to the reviewer that the notification links to? What happens now to the page that I created?)
- if the notification is not meant to be actionable but is supposed to
work as a positive feedback signal, it's poorly designed for this purpose in its current form.
I'd like to hear thoughts from this list on the intended purpose of this notification and how we can improve it so the recipient understands what s/he is being notified about.
Dario
EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee
-- Oliver Keyes Research Analyst Wikimedia Foundation
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