Hi, here's an update on the Flow and Echo changes that went out on Thursday to enwiki.
We released the new version of Flow/Echo code to enwiki earlier than we should have. There are bugs, and features that aren’t fully cooked. I’m sorry that we pushed this out too fast, and created some irritating distractions that got in the way of people’s editing work.
Having read lots of feedback and seen the reported bugs, we talked as a team about whether to roll back the latest version, or move forward with bug fixes and retuned features. Rolling back would probably cause more problems than it would solve -- some of the reported bugs are already fixed on Mediawiki, so we can get things on enwiki fixed faster if we deploy those, rather than roll back to a week ago.
Our plan is to backport some more fixes to Mediawiki later today, and if those are stable, then we’ll move them to enwiki tomorrow afternoon.
Meanwhile, there are two things that you can do if you’re finding the current system too distracting right now:
* There is and will be a lot of testing done on the test/sandbox boards. If you’re getting bothered by notifications to those boards, it’s probably a good idea to stop watching them for now.
* You can also turn off Echo notifications for Flow in your preferences. (There’s still one bug that shows up even if you’ve turned them off -- it’s in the list below.)
Here’s the current status, as I know it right now.
The following items are planned for Mediawiki later today, and then enwiki tomorrow:
* Make the Alerts tab the default when you open the flyout, unless you’ve only got new Messages notifications and no new Alerts. * Email notifications bundled per topic, limited to once every four hours. * Bundling “created a new topic” Echo notifications, so you don’t get multiple notifications for the same board at once. * “No formatting for notification” errors displayed in the notifications flyout.
Other bugs we’re fixing, but may not be out tomorrow:
* If you’ve never had Flow notifications, don’t make the Alerts link clickable. * Swap the color of the Messages and Alerts tabs, so the clickable link is blue. The active tab shouldn’t be clickable. * Monobook: Can’t hide topics, because the modal dialog is grayed out. * When you create a Flow topic and mention a user in the first post, that user gets two identical notifications. * With Flow notifications turned off in preferences, a mention on a Flow post still sends a notification. * Monobook: Messages/Alerts text in flyout is too small. * Monobook: Page tabs are not clickable on Flow boards. * Monobook: Watch star on Flow boards is in the wrong place.
There’s a balance between responding to questions and actually getting fixes and features tested and out -- so we might be slower in answering some questions. We’ll keep everybody updated as much as we can, and we really appreciate all of the feedback, ideas, and bug reports.
Danny
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org wrote:
- Email notifications bundled per topic, limited to once every four
hours.
That one is already on enwiki.
Another change that is on mediawiki.org and should arrive on enwiki tomorrow: * Subscribing to a board will not automatically subscribe you to each topic; you will only get a notification that a new topic has been created.
Regards,
Okay, it's the end of the day -- here's the list of fixes that are on Wikimedia.org now. Assuming it still looks stable tomorrow, these will get pushed to enwiki tomorrow afternoon (PST):
* Alerts tab is the default when you open the flyout, unless you’ve only got new Messages notifications and no new Alerts. * Bundling "created a new topic" Echo notifications, so you don’t get multiple notifications for the same board at once. * "No formatting for notification" errors are reported, but not displayed in the notifications. * When Flow notifications are turned off in preferences, user doesn't get notification for Flow mentions. * Email notifications bundled per topic, limited to once every four hours.
The other items listed above are still being worked on, and the plan is to get those out later this week. Thanks to all of the people who've posted bug reports, and I apologize for the distractions and inconveniences with this release.
Danny
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:54 PM, S Page spage@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Danny Horn dhorn@wikimedia.org wrote:
- Email notifications bundled per topic, limited to once every four
hours.
That one is already on enwiki.
Another change that is on mediawiki.org and should arrive on enwiki tomorrow:
- Subscribing to a board will not automatically subscribe you to each
topic; you will only get a notification that a new topic has been created.
Regards,
=S Page Features engineer
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On 09/08/2014 09:41 PM, Danny Horn wrote:
- When Flow notifications are turned off in preferences, user doesn't
get notification for Flow mentions.
There's already a dedicated preference for this, "Mention" (under "Notify me about these events").
It seems more intuitive that this should be the only feature controlling it, regardless of where the mention occurs.
Where the mention occurs is secondary, especially considering if things go well eventually Flow will be the primary place mentions happen.
If people assume "Flow" is the driving preference for this, they may be confused when "Flow" is on and they don't get mentions (not realizing they need to look at "Mention" (presumably)).
Matt Flaschen