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Hi,
out of interest, which specific features or workflows are missing and make the existing instances of Bugzilla / Mingle / Trello insufficient, and are your usecases described in public somewhere? Do the evaluation criteria in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Tracker/PM_tool still apply, or could that page be updated?
How to make sure that Flow feedback from users ends up in the correct place? Thinking of Flow reports potentially filed in Bugzilla, is there anything to move from or sync tickets between Bugzilla with Redmine?
andre
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From: Dan Andreescu dandreescu@wikimedia.org Date: Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [EE] Mingle for Flow To: Matthew Flaschen mflaschen@wikimedia.org Cc: WMF Editor Engagement List ee@lists.wikimedia.org
Redmine's a pain to install but pretty great once up. It has a very good plugin model through which we can add anything we need. Rob Lanphier and I discussed this a few times and came to the conclusion that Redmine + helping upstream fixes to plugins like http://www.redminebacklogs.net/ should cover all our use cases. We even have a migration path from Bugzilla as we can import all the historical data, even preserving bug numbers: https://github.com/ralli/bz2redmine
So if anyone decides to tackle this beast, count me in. The test redmine instance is back up (I think it goes down when the machine restarts - this is just my configuration mistake surely)
http://redmine.instance-proxy.wmflabs.org/redmine
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Matthew Flaschen mflaschen@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 05/15/2013 06:36 PM, Terry Chay wrote:
I agree these tools are problematic for this reason. I understand why some people currently choose to use them, but the Foundation should investigate free alternatives that can meet our projects' needs.
I don't want to vary from Mingle or Trello until it's proven for current projects, but you and Mark Holmquist have some incentive to try out alternative tools. We could probably start a labs instance and come up with a project that is defunct or not under active development yet that we can try out using a tool of your choosing. :-)
You guys have my okay to do that for something. :-)
Dan Andreescu and I (mostly him) actually setup (a while back) a Redmine instance for this purpose (with the goal of prototyping a nice FOSS solution). It seems to be currently down, but it's at http://redmine.instance-proxy.wmflabs.org/redmine/login .
Matt Flaschen
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 4:50 AM, Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Do the evaluation criteria in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Tracker/PM_tool still apply, or could that page be update
Yeah I don't think all of those necessarily apply, or at least it's incomplete. None of the people maintaining our Mingle or Trello boards have edited that lately (or ever) if you check out the history.
On 05/16/2013 07:50 AM, Andre Klapper wrote:
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Hi,
out of interest, which specific features or workflows are missing and make the existing instances of Bugzilla / Mingle / Trello insufficient, and are your usecases described in public somewhere?
I was specifically agreeing with Terry's point, "these are closed source (possibly externally-hosted) software infrastructure pieces that we, as a Foundation, do not want to have an ongoing dependence on"
That said, I do have some issues with Trello (it doesn't have great search and filtering, it can be unclear who's assigned vs. CCed, only some things trigger notifications, those notifications have weird link choices) besides just FOSS.
Do the evaluation criteria in http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Tracker/PM_tool still apply, or could that page be updated?
I've updated to include "open source" in the "nice to have" (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Tracker/PM_tool#Project_Management_Tools_requ...) for PM tools.
How to make sure that Flow feedback from users ends up in the correct place? Thinking of Flow reports potentially filed in Bugzilla, is there anything to move from or sync tickets between Bugzilla with Redmine?
I am not advocating Flow immediately switch to Redmine, though they can if they choose. The goal is to work on making Redmine an attractive open source PM tool for the WMF, but we're not completely there yet.
Matt Flaschen
On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Matthew Flaschen mflaschen@wikimedia.orgwrote:
I am not advocating Flow immediately switch to Redmine, though they can if they choose. The goal is to work on making Redmine an attractive open source PM tool for the WMF, but we're not completely there yet.
Just to throw out another idea to prototype: Launchpad is something I've found fairly usable in the past.