I am going to bet that if we exposed the name of the editor adding a link in page-linked notifications we will substantially increase their impact on editor engagement.
Proposal
Let's replace:
Rim Fire was linked from List of wildfires
with:
MelanieN added a link to Rim Fire from List of wildfires
Rationale
• page-linked notifications will scale at a faster rate than Thank notifications (they are currently generated at a 2x rate and keep in mind only newbies are opted in by default) • as of August, 1 out of 5 recipients of page-linked notifications have a lifetime editcount smaller than 100 • these notifications mostly* deliver positive feedback: knowing that a page got linked somewhere else in Wikipedia is currently the only user-generated positive signal other than Thanks that I can receive on Wikipedia • for existing users (who by default are opted out from receiving page-linked notifications), exposing the author will provide readily available information on who's doing what • for newbies, we'll reinforce the perception that it's not Wikipedia creating a link but another human being who (1) liked your work enough to award you a link and (2) you may want to connect to as someone with similar interests (yeah no, need to wait until an interest graph is implemented) • we have solid evidence on the negative impact of automated, dehumanized messages
I really don't think we need to A/B test this but I wanted to hear from you if this change has enough support to be implemented and if there are other concerns.
Dario
* the main exception to look out for is links from project-namespace pages where, for example, AfD notifications happen.
I like this idea! Thank you so much for continuing to think of these ideas that seem high impact,
Sydney Poore
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Dario Taraborelli dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org wrote:
I am going to bet that if we exposed the name of the editor adding a link in page-linked notifications we will substantially increase their impact on editor engagement.
Proposal
Let's replace:
Rim Fire was linked from List of wildfires
with:
MelanieN added a link to Rim Fire from List of wildfires
Rationale
• page-linked notifications will scale at a faster rate than Thank notifications (they are currently generated at a 2x rate and keep in mind only newbies are opted in by default) • as of August, 1 out of 5 recipients of page-linked notifications have a lifetime editcount smaller than 100 • these notifications mostly* deliver positive feedback: knowing that a page got linked somewhere else in Wikipedia is currently the only user-generated positive signal other than Thanks that I can receive on Wikipedia • for existing users (who by default are opted out from receiving page-linked notifications), exposing the author will provide readily available information on who's doing what • for newbies, we'll reinforce the perception that it's not Wikipedia creating a link but another human being who (1) liked your work enough to award you a link and (2) you may want to connect to as someone with similar interests (yeah no, need to wait until an interest graph is implemented) • we have solid evidence on the negative impact of automated, dehumanized messages
I really don't think we need to A/B test this but I wanted to hear from you if this change has enough support to be implemented and if there are other concerns.
Dario
- the main exception to look out for is links from project-namespace pages where, for example, AfD notifications happen.
EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee
I like this idea. It fits with the style of the other notifications as well:
JANESMITH left a message on your talk page. JANESMITH mentioned you on ...
Presumably if we had multiple links we'd fall back to a "and two other pages", no-name, approach.
Andrew.
On 27 August 2013 22:41, Dario Taraborelli dtaraborelli@wikimedia.orgwrote:
I am going to bet that if we exposed the name of the editor adding a link in page-linked notifications we will substantially increase their impact on editor engagement.
*Proposal*
Let's replace:
Rim Fire was linked from List of wildfires http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
with:
M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires l http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires n http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires e http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires added a link to Rim Fire from List of wildfires http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
*Rationale*
• page-linked notifications will scale at a faster rate than Thank notifications (they are currently generated at a 2x rate and keep in mind only newbies are opted in by default) • as of August, 1 out of 5 recipients of page-linked notifications have a lifetime editcount smaller than 100 • these notifications mostly* deliver positive feedback: knowing that a page got linked somewhere else in Wikipedia is currently the only user-generated positive signal other than Thanks that I can receive on Wikipedia • for existing users (who by default are opted out from receiving page-linked notifications), exposing the author will provide readily available information on who's doing what • for newbies, we'll reinforce the perception that it's not Wikipedia creating a link but another human being who (1) liked your work enough to award you a link and (2) you may want to connect to as someone with similar interests (yeah no, need to wait until an interest graph is implemented) • we have solid evidence on the negative impact of automated, dehumanized messages
I really don't think we need to A/B test this but I wanted to hear from you if this change has enough support to be implemented and if there are other concerns.
Dario
- the main exception to look out for is links from project-namespace pages
where, for example, AfD notifications happen.
EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee
you're right, good catch
On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Matthew Flaschen mflaschen@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 08/27/2013 05:41 PM, Dario Taraborelli wrote:
- the main exception to look out for is links from project-namespace
pages where, for example, AfD notifications happen.
It's already restricted to links from a content namespace to a content namespace.
Matt Flaschen
EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Dario Taraborelli < dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Let's replace:
Rim Fire was linked from List of wildfires http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
with:
M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires l http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires n http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires e http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires added a link to Rim Fire from List of wildfires http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
What about...
Rim Fire was linked from List of wildfireshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires by M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires l http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires n http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires e http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
?
Just an idea. Andrew has a good point that some other notifications start with a username, but the syntax I proposed above might be an exception to consider, because it reminds you why you care about who generated this link notif. "[Page you started] was linked from [other page] by [person]."
However, we implement, this is a Good Idea. :)
I think this second "linked from X by Y" construction will be interpreted as "linked from page X, which is written by Y", so you might get a bit of confusion there - the sense that Y made the link is less clear.
A.
On 27 August 2013 23:10, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Dario Taraborelli < dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Let's replace:
Rim Fire was linked from List of wildfires http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
with:
M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires l http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires n http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires e http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires added a link to Rim Fire from List of wildfires http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
What about...
Rim Fire was linked from List of wildfireshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires by M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires l http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires n http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires e http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
?
Just an idea. Andrew has a good point that some other notifications start with a username, but the syntax I proposed above might be an exception to consider, because it reminds you why you care about who generated this link notif. "[Page you started] was linked from [other page] by [person]."
However, we implement, this is a Good Idea. :)
-- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/
EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee
it would probably only work for single notifications, unless we find a creative alternative for bundled ones.
On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
I think this second "linked from X by Y" construction will be interpreted as "linked from page X, which is written by Y", so you might get a bit of confusion there - the sense that Y made the link is less clear.
A.
On 27 August 2013 23:10, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Dario Taraborelli dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org wrote: Let's replace:
Rim Fire was linked from List of wildfires
with:
MelanieN added a link to Rim Fire from List of wildfires
What about...
Rim Fire was linked from List of wildfires by MelanieN
?
Just an idea. Andrew has a good point that some other notifications start with a username, but the syntax I proposed above might be an exception to consider, because it reminds you why you care about who generated this link notif. "[Page you started] was linked from [other page] by [person]."
However, we implement, this is a Good Idea. :)
-- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/
EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee
--
- Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk
EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee
on a related note – I forgot if this was an intentional choice to increase click-throughs but Talk page and Mention notifications don't link to the user name in the flyout
D
On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Dario Taraborelli dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org wrote:
it would probably only work for single notifications, unless we find a creative alternative for bundled ones.
On Aug 27, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
I think this second "linked from X by Y" construction will be interpreted as "linked from page X, which is written by Y", so you might get a bit of confusion there - the sense that Y made the link is less clear.
A.
On 27 August 2013 23:10, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Dario Taraborelli dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org wrote: Let's replace:
Rim Fire was linked from List of wildfires
with:
MelanieN added a link to Rim Fire from List of wildfires
What about...
Rim Fire was linked from List of wildfires by MelanieN
?
Just an idea. Andrew has a good point that some other notifications start with a username, but the syntax I proposed above might be an exception to consider, because it reminds you why you care about who generated this link notif. "[Page you started] was linked from [other page] by [person]."
However, we implement, this is a Good Idea. :)
-- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/
EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee
--
- Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk
EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee
How would it work for bundled notifications? Mention the first user only?
M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires l http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires n http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires e http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires & 5 others added links from *List of wildfires* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.orgwrote:
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Dario Taraborelli < dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Let's replace:
Rim Fire was linked from List of wildfires http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
with:
M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires l http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires n http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires e http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires added a link to Rim Fire from List of wildfires http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
What about...
Rim Fire was linked from List of wildfireshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires by M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires l http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires n http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires e http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
?
Just an idea. Andrew has a good point that some other notifications start with a username, but the syntax I proposed above might be an exception to consider, because it reminds you why you care about who generated this link notif. "[Page you started] was linked from [other page] by [person]."
However, we implement, this is a Good Idea. :)
-- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/
EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee
On 08/27/2013 06:29 PM, Vibha Bamba wrote:
How would it work for bundled notifications? Mention the first user only?
M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfirese http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfirese http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresN http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires & 5 others added links from *List of wildfires*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
It seems a bit more intuitive to bundle based on the destination. It seems more common that multiple pages will link to the same page you created, than that a single page will link to multiple pages you created.
Matt Flaschen
Good idea!
And add a link to the page linked is a request made by the Frenchs. When you have created many articles, you don't always remember this specific article linked today :)
Benoît Le 27 août 2013 23:41, "Dario Taraborelli" dtaraborelli@wikimedia.org a écrit :
I am going to bet that if we exposed the name of the editor adding a link in page-linked notifications we will substantially increase their impact on editor engagement.
*Proposal*
Let's replace:
Rim Fire was linked from List of wildfires http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
with:
M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires l http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires n http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires e http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfiresNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires added a link to Rim Fire from List of wildfires http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wildfires
*Rationale*
• page-linked notifications will scale at a faster rate than Thank notifications (they are currently generated at a 2x rate and keep in mind only newbies are opted in by default) • as of August, 1 out of 5 recipients of page-linked notifications have a lifetime editcount smaller than 100 • these notifications mostly* deliver positive feedback: knowing that a page got linked somewhere else in Wikipedia is currently the only user-generated positive signal other than Thanks that I can receive on Wikipedia • for existing users (who by default are opted out from receiving page-linked notifications), exposing the author will provide readily available information on who's doing what • for newbies, we'll reinforce the perception that it's not Wikipedia creating a link but another human being who (1) liked your work enough to award you a link and (2) you may want to connect to as someone with similar interests (yeah no, need to wait until an interest graph is implemented) • we have solid evidence on the negative impact of automated, dehumanized messages
I really don't think we need to A/B test this but I wanted to hear from you if this change has enough support to be implemented and if there are other concerns.
Dario
- the main exception to look out for is links from project-namespace pages
where, for example, AfD notifications happen.
EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee