I agree with Kaldari on this point.
We need to keep this feature simple - and make it easy for users to turn it on or off.
We already have a user preference for it here:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo
Currently, it disables email notifications only. But given that Wikipedians may want more control, a case could be made that these preferences could apply to both onsite and email. Or we could have separate checkboxes for these options, for even more granularity, as Google does (see screenshot).
Another option is to provide the dismiss option in the flyout, which we discussed in a separate thread, as Facebook does (see screenshot). This would enable users to completely remove notification types they don' want, both onsite and by email.
I propose we discuss this with Vibha during our meeting with her on Monday and reach a resolution then. If the solution is simple, we can push it in our next deployment on Thursday.
Until then, please turn off the user preference for this feature if it really bothers you.
Thanks,
Fabrice
On Jan 11, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
I don't think limiting it to only new pages, or only for users who have made less than X pages, or other "mysterious" tweaks makes sense. The behavior has to be obvious to the user. The user has to know why they do or do not get the notification. The solution I favor is introducing a preference to allow the user to turn off this type of notification (or alternately opt in to it). I think most of us are in agreement on this, but I haven't heard from Vibha (who was against this idea previously). Otherwise, I would favor just removing the notification entirely (rather than making its behavior mysterious).
Ryan Kaldari
On 1/11/13 12:05 AM, Benny Situ wrote:
A lot of these are probably due to the transluding bug, when a link gets added to a page, it also gets added to all the transluding pages. A fix has been applied and being reviewed, this will reduce the number of unnecessary notification
From the email conversation on this topic in the last few days, looks like we have come up with some very good ideas to tackle this potentially spammy notification. Hopefully we will make it a much better notification in the coming development cycles, :)
On Thursday, January 10, 2013, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
They are continuing to come in right now, at the rate of about 3 a minute. And on pages that aren't new in any way.On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:12 PM, Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org wrote:
It is a good thing for us to dog food our own products. :)
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Brandon Harris bharris@wikimedia.org wrote:
I have gotten over 55 of these in the past half hour. Seriously. <Screen Shot 2013-01-10 at 10.08.16 PM.png>
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