One advantage of requiring a signature is that it means the mention is probably within an actual conversation (rather than just a bot creating lists of users, like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_administrator_hopefuls).
Ryan Kaldari
On 3/8/13 10:19 AM, Luke Welling WMF wrote:
I'm generally in agreement with Matt but let me elaborate so the one I disagree with makes sense.
• support links with single brackets So that would be a user making an external link style link to a user? eg [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Kaldari] I think it would be "nice" if that were detected too, as I think the guiding principle should be "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know" but I assume it's an edge case. Links to users are so common that even somebody erratically copy and pasting markup to get their result should have a sample of the normal way. I personally don't know how to do an interwiki user link so if there was a different person with the name Kaldari on French Wikipedia I could see myself using [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Kaldari]
... but detecting that would only be useful if it triggered a notification the the user on that other wiki, so reacting correctly to it would be difficult.
My TL;DR: is therefore it sounds like an edge case, that is not worth the effort.
• support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pages Yes. As Matt said, there are cases where it would frequently be useful.
• support user links without requiring a signature Definitely. "If somebody is trying to talk to or about me I'd like to know"
• support user links on article pages This should not trigger often, but I think it should be enabled. I'd imagine being triggered would point to a newbie who needs to be shown talk pages or some sort of harassment in vandalism, but in either case I'd like to know even if somebody else fixes it through normal patrolling.
Luke
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes@wikimedia.org mailto:okeyes@wikimedia.org> wrote:
I would agree with Matt's evaluation. For signatures I'd suggest factoring in SineBot if it wasn't building for a single wiki - that would nicely cover situations where people forget the four tildes. On 7 March 2013 18:02, Fabrice Florin <fflorin@wikimedia.org <mailto:fflorin@wikimedia.org>> wrote: Thanks, Matthew, your good insights are much appreciated! Let us know how that user mention notification works for you in practice. Anyone else have suggestions about missing use cases for that feature? -f On Mar 7, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:On 03/07/2013 05:30 PM, Fabrice Florin wrote:Hey folks, We just released a new version of Echo on MediaWiki.org <http://MediaWiki.org>, for your interactive pleasure.Sounds great.Can you help us take it for a spin?Will do. • support links with single brackets I think that's extremely rare and discouraged (it would be a same-wiki or interwiki external link), so it's probably not worth the effort.• support user links on 'Wikipedia:' pagesProbably useful (e.g. Village pump)• support user links on article pagesDefinitely not namespace 0, if that's what you mean by article. That's an anti-pattern.• support user links without requiring a signatureProbably not necessary, but avoids the need for signature detection code (do you support custom signatures like mine?) and could be useful in some edge cases. Matt Flaschen _______________________________________________ EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:EE@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee_______________________________ Fabrice Florin Product Manager, Editor Engagement Wikimedia Foundation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_%28WMF%29> Donate to keep Wikipedia free: https://donate.wikimedia.org/ _______________________________________________ EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:EE@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ EE mailing list EE@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:EE@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee
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