We are working on an open source tool, WalkHub, that enables a community to
collaborate wiki style on GuidedTours (or Walkthroughs, that's what we call
them).
-Recording a tour could become a matter of clicking a record button;
-Editing a tour, a matter of clicking the edit button in the tour and
making a change.
-The tool automatically generates screenshots and an embeddable widget that
you can use for example to show off new functionality on a blog
I heard about the GuidedTours project from Erik Möller at FOSDEM and I was
wondering if the team that is working on it would be interested in our
project.
This is a demo movie of our first recorder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZWt4qfxU0U
the section where I record a Walkthrough on Wikipedia:
http://youtu.be/0ZWt4qfxU0U?t=2m34s
This is a Walkthrough we recorded on Wikipedia:
http://walkhub.net/content/how-donate-wikipedia
Cheers,
Kristof
Thanks Kunal, I have noted this on https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64778
There are a number reports on Bugzilla about similar issues.
Can these bugs be addressed as a group, and when are they likely to be fixed?
Pine
I'm finding more issues with Echo.
I wasn't pinged at all when tagged with [[user:Pine]] and [[User:Pine|Pine]] in this set of edits on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALilaTretikov&diff=…
Do Echo pings not activate when a user is tagged by someone editing from an IP? I can file a bug report but wanted to check here first.
Pine
Strainu,
I can't recall what decisions were made about showing full IPv6 addresses, but I believe
IPv6 can be much more revealing than IPv4, so any thanks or warning messages will be more
targeted if we show full IPv6 addresses and the host networks don't take privacy measures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipv6#Privacy
I recall hearing some discussion about privacy as well as about the effectiveness of checkuser
tools concerning IPv6. I don't remember how that discussion ended, but if you can find it you
might find information relevant to thanking anonymous users.
FWIW I agree with Richard that if we're going to apply warning templates to IPs then we should
also be able to thank them, and I'm glad someone is looking at this issue. Anything that helps
editor acquisition in a cost-effective and privacy-aware way is likely to have my enthusiastic
support. (:
Pine
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 01:47:03 +0100
> From: Richard Nevell <richard.nevell(a)wikimedia.org.uk>
> To: Editor Engagement <ee(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Cc: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>, Danny Horn
> <dhorn(a)wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [EE] [Wikitech-l] That you to anonymous users
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> Considering people deliver warnings via Huggle etc to IP editors, perhaps
> allowing a thanks to be sent wouldn't be such a bad idea.
>
> I realise it's purely anecdotal, but if it was available I reckon I'd use
> 'thanks' for anonymous users making changes as often as logged in editors.
>
>
> On 21 May 2014 23:35, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If only I was a developer of any sort ;-)
> >
> >
> > On 21 May 2014 21:56, Fabrice Florin <fflorin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi David,
> >>
> >> I am delighted that you are interested in extending the Thanks feature we
> >> released last year, so it can be used to thank more users.
> >>
> >> I am no longer working on this project, but am not aware of any changes
> >> that would make it easier to thank anonymous users: IP addresses are still
> >> as unreliable now as they were a year ago.
> >>
> >> But I have Cc:d Danny Horn, the new product manager for core features
> >> like Flow and Notifications, so he can chime in from his viewpoint.
> >>
> >> Personally, I would love to see the Thanks feature be used even more than
> >> it is today, as it seems like such a civilized way to show appreciation to
> >> each other :)
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >>
> >> Fabrice
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 20, 2014, at 7:56 AM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 20 May 2014 15:35, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've recently noticed the "Thank you" feature is only available for
> >> signed-in users, while anons cannot receive "thank yous". The
> >> anonymous users are often the ones that would need encouraging the
> >> most, so it would make sense to me to have this feature available to
> >> them too.
> >> Are there significant technical problems against such a change?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I asked for this on the editor engagement list too. Fabrice said: [1]
> >>
> >> "Sadly, we couldn't make this feature available for anonymous users,
> >> as you have to be registered to receive notifications right now. This
> >> is because IP addresses cannot be trusted to deliver notifications to
> >> the users they were intended to. I don't expect we'll change that
> >> anytime soon. We should all encourage anonymous user to register if
> >> they want to enjoy the same benefits as other members."
> >>
> >> Fabrice, is this still the case? Are there ways around this?
> >>
> >> * I suppose session cookies for anons just to possibly thank them is a
> >> bit excessive.
> >> * Could limit "thanks" to a short time after the edit (limiting either
> >> sending or receiving).
> >>
> >> Any other ways we could implement this with minimal false-positives on
> >> thanking people? If that's considered a problem :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> - d.
> >>
> >> [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/ee/2013-July/000525.html
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________
> >>
> >> Fabrice Florin
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> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Hi David,
I am delighted that you are interested in extending the Thanks feature we released last year, so it can be used to thank more users.
I am no longer working on this project, but am not aware of any changes that would make it easier to thank anonymous users: IP addresses are still as unreliable now as they were a year ago.
But I have Cc:d Danny Horn, the new product manager for core features like Flow and Notifications, so he can chime in from his viewpoint.
Personally, I would love to see the Thanks feature be used even more than it is today, as it seems like such a civilized way to show appreciation to each other :)
Cheers,
Fabrice
On May 20, 2014, at 7:56 AM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 20 May 2014 15:35, Strainu <strainu10(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've recently noticed the "Thank you" feature is only available for
>> signed-in users, while anons cannot receive "thank yous". The
>> anonymous users are often the ones that would need encouraging the
>> most, so it would make sense to me to have this feature available to
>> them too.
>> Are there significant technical problems against such a change?
>
>
>
> I asked for this on the editor engagement list too. Fabrice said: [1]
>
> "Sadly, we couldn't make this feature available for anonymous users,
> as you have to be registered to receive notifications right now. This
> is because IP addresses cannot be trusted to deliver notifications to
> the users they were intended to. I don't expect we'll change that
> anytime soon. We should all encourage anonymous user to register if
> they want to enjoy the same benefits as other members."
>
> Fabrice, is this still the case? Are there ways around this?
>
> * I suppose session cookies for anons just to possibly thank them is a
> bit excessive.
> * Could limit "thanks" to a short time after the edit (limiting either
> sending or receiving).
>
> Any other ways we could implement this with minimal false-positives on
> thanking people? If that's considered a problem :-)
>
>
> - d.
>
> [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/ee/2013-July/000525.html
_______________________________
Fabrice Florin
Product Manager
Wikimedia Foundation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
Steven,
Thank you for the update. I think you and I discussed anonymous editor conversion a long time ago back when Growth was called E3 and at the time you said this was on the list of future E3 projects. I'm glad to see this issue get further attention.
Pine
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 17:42:41 -0700
> From: Steven Walling <swalling(a)wikimedia.org>
> To: WMF Editor Engagement Team <ee(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: [EE] Asking anonymous editors to join the community
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>
> Hey all,
>
> Sorry to see that this mailing list has been more quiet of late! I thought
> I'd give an update on the work of the Growth team recently. The last month
> or so, we've been hard at work on our next project, which we call anonymous
> editor acquisition.[1]
>
> We'd like to grow the community of registered Wikipedians, but showing
> readers banners and other calls to join the community are extremely noisy
> and not very effective. So who should we ask to join and become a
> Wikipedian?
>
> Well, there is actually a very large group of casual contributors on the
> site now who we pay very little attention to, and that's anonymous (or IP)
> editors. Other than the "create account" link, there's actually only one
> message that invites these people to join. That's the mid-edit message you
> see which warns you that your IP address will become public, and which
> makes you abandon your edit if you want to go sign up. We think that we
> can make friendlier and more helpful versions of this, in addition other
> ways to entice people to register accounts and join the community.
>
> Aaron Halfaker has done some great work digging in to the volume of edits
> and impact of anonymous editing today.[2] This helped confirm that
> anonymous editors are a group of users who know relatively little about,
> but who are a large group of potentially high-value contributors. We've
> also cooked up a pretty extensive list of features to try. The first A/B
> test we're running is one where we simply try asking IP editors to sign
> up.[3] We're launching this test next week in English, German, French, and
> Italian Wikipedias.[4]
>
> 1. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anonymous_editor_acquisition
> 2.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Anonymous_editor_acquisition/Volum…
> 3.
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anonymous_editor_acquisition/Signup_invites
> 4.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Anonymous_editor_acquisition/Signu…
>
> --
> Steven Walling,
> Product Manager
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/
>
Hey all,
Sorry to see that this mailing list has been more quiet of late! I thought
I'd give an update on the work of the Growth team recently. The last month
or so, we've been hard at work on our next project, which we call anonymous
editor acquisition.[1]
We'd like to grow the community of registered Wikipedians, but showing
readers banners and other calls to join the community are extremely noisy
and not very effective. So who should we ask to join and become a
Wikipedian?
Well, there is actually a very large group of casual contributors on the
site now who we pay very little attention to, and that's anonymous (or IP)
editors. Other than the "create account" link, there's actually only one
message that invites these people to join. That's the mid-edit message you
see which warns you that your IP address will become public, and which
makes you abandon your edit if you want to go sign up. We think that we
can make friendlier and more helpful versions of this, in addition other
ways to entice people to register accounts and join the community.
Aaron Halfaker has done some great work digging in to the volume of edits
and impact of anonymous editing today.[2] This helped confirm that
anonymous editors are a group of users who know relatively little about,
but who are a large group of potentially high-value contributors. We've
also cooked up a pretty extensive list of features to try. The first A/B
test we're running is one where we simply try asking IP editors to sign
up.[3] We're launching this test next week in English, German, French, and
Italian Wikipedias.[4]
1. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anonymous_editor_acquisition
2.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Anonymous_editor_acquisition/Volum…
3.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anonymous_editor_acquisition/Signup_invites
4.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Anonymous_editor_acquisition/Signu…
--
Steven Walling,
Product Manager
https://wikimediafoundation.org/