EE February 2015

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Collaboration team scrum notes, Tues Feb 17
by Danny Horn 09 Mar '15

09 Mar '15

*Erik*: Most of Friday, worked on Q1 - new model for replies. It's about 85% done, will be on flow-tests Trying to code review Matthias' Echo patch, add the parser function dependency to Jenkins. Will figure it out with ops today. Today: Parser functions for Echo tests, responding to comments on code review. *Matthias*: Today: Looked at if it's possible to control scroll for the ToC scrolling bug. Fixed the Echo notification bug on Jenkins. With patches in Gerrit, it seems to work fine. Fixed some small international things that Nemo pointed out. Looked at Q3 - placeholder makes most of the page blank. It seems to be mysteriously fixed! We can't Looked at ToC langsub problem -- couldn't reproduce the problem. Added margin below ToC (Q9). Tomorrow: 100% code review. *Matt*: Looked at fix for lost moderation logs, going to do a maintenance script to fix it. Changed JS code to always log. Fixed and/or thing. Merged a patch to Core. Reviewed patch to Q4 add links to history for hidden comments. Also doing it for deleted and suppressed, question on the ticket. Review on Echo fix for Compact Personal Bar.

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Collaboration scrum notes, Fri Feb 27
by Danny Horn 01 Mar '15

01 Mar '15

*Erik*: Yesterday: code review, updating patches. Working on R3 "undo" -- close to done. Trying to figure out how to share this code. More undo today. *Matt*: Researched some questions about Getting Started and Guided Tour for VE team. Looked at logging patches with Matthias, they fixed some issues. We want to get all logging patches merged, then run Matthias' script. Merged Erik's Pimple upgrade. Tested board deletion, filed some bugs. Looked at R4 - "Your comment has been edited" notification. Still working on that today.

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Collaboration team scrum notes, Thurs Feb 26
by Danny Horn 27 Feb '15

27 Feb '15

*Erik*: Working on R3 -- add undo functionality. Adding actions. Continuing that today. Will try out doing undo on topic titles too. Matt asks if Erik can review the moderation patch, and then he can run the script to *Matt*: Updated moderation refactoring patch Update to core patch, allow you to have session cookie last a different amount as default Fix for GettingStarted Next: Notification for editing your post. *Matthias*: Did R2 - bad link targets bug - in code review. Also 2 small patches for Flow -- fixing things that were causing fatal errors. Those are up too. Worked on feedback on login patches. Tomorrow, will start on R1 -- spike for adding VE features.

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Collaboration scrum notes, Wed Feb 25
by Danny Horn 25 Feb '15

25 Feb '15

Sprint Q ended -- Sprint R starts today. *Erik*: Finshed patch so pimple is upgraded to 2.x, so Andrew can do his work Pulled in card to add prev & next to diff pages, up for review Wrote script that takes multiple class per file and turns it into one class per file. Also up for review. Today: something off the new Sprint R! *Matthias*: Code review on WikiLove -- Ari put up a patch. Put up a Flow patch to support WikiLove. Still needs a little more work. Started working on Enhanced RC. *Matt*: Finished VE spike & put up a patch. A lot of the old code still worked, but there were some breaking changes. Identified some issues to fix, and improvements to make.

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Collaboration team, Tues Feb 24
by Danny Horn 24 Feb '15

24 Feb '15

*Erik*: Code review -- everything's either reviewed or merged Looked into why the autoexpand isn't working, but couldn't diagnose -- Matt says it might need to wait until we refactor for VE soon Looked at upgrading Pimple so we're not blocking Andrew anymore *Matt*: working on VE -- he'll have some stuff to work on tomorrow Small topictitle fix about truncation Updated maintenance script for Erik's comments Commented on Erik's base conversion patch some more *Matthias*: Worked on logging entries, currently doesn't show suppressed topic title on board. thought it was small, but apparently we have bad data in the maintenance table. title & namespace are inconsistently logged. Patches are up. Tomorrow: pick up something that's ready for the sprint we're starting.

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Collaboration team scrum notes, Mon Feb 23
by Danny Horn 23 Feb '15

23 Feb '15

*Erik*: Worked on bugs, Matthias merged them or suggested fixes -- interwiki problem with content link. Cherrypicked. Looking into new bug with transclusion at WikiProject:Breakfast. Probably a parsoid bug. Out of tickets, need to move something into the sprint *Matt*: Fixed maintenance script for logging data that we lost for moderation actions Fixed a problem with Getting Started Started working on VE spike, will continue today. *Matthias*: Code review Fixed patch for previewing a post not resolving links Put in patch for JS breakage we caused last week Will pick high-priority bugs from backlog for last day of the sprint.

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Re: [EE] [Wikimedia Education] Editor training with VisualEditor
by Pine W 23 Feb '15

23 Feb '15

I am very happy to see such strong interest in VE from the education communitty. FYI, if we don't hear back about a lesson plan for VE training in the next few days, either in Hebrew or English, I will contact our colleague Michal who is the executive director of WMIL to see if she can provide us with at least a Hebrew version that we can use for inspration. Pine On Feb 22, 2015 2:14 PM, "Vojtěch Dostál" <vojtech.dostal(a)wikimedia.cz> wrote: > I also wondered if there is a VE-oriented training somewhere. It seems > there isn't - because VE is in a state of flux. > > Because Czech Republic uses VE to train students we are in a great need of > such a training, and are currently asking for a small contract to write a > simple wiki-based tutorial, mostly based on Wikipedia:Training module > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Training/For_students> for > students. > > If there is a Hebrew VE training could someone please link it? It would be > lovely to see it, at least to get some inspiration. > > thanks > > > Vojtěch Dostál > > místopředseda / vice-chairman > Wikimedia Česká republika / Wikimedia Czech Republic > http://www.wikimedia.cz > Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/Wikimedia.CR> | Twitter > <https://twitter.com/Wikimedia_CR> | Newsletter <http://eepurl.com/FsHJr> > > > 2015-02-22 14:02 GMT+01:00 Leigh Thelmadatter <osamadre(a)hotmail.com>: > >> I still do not use VE in my training (despite having 200+ students >> working on three campuses) because there are too many things it cannot do. >> I dont have time to constantly play with it to see if it is now good enough >> to use. I will likely not use it until it is accepted by the wider >> community. However, the lack of a viable VE does make scalability very very >> difficult, especially with older teachers who adjust less to idea of coding >> in any form. >> >> +1 on the frustrations for those with new accounts. I understand the need >> for protections with new accounts, but why in the heck does the captcha >> "error" message appear at the top and the captcha itself at the bottom? >> Students only see the red "error" and I have to tell them to go to the >> bottom and its only a captcha. In addition, because we use wireless with >> the same IP address, we get errors when I am having a class move text into >> sandboxes or copy/paste finished articles into the mainspace. Most students >> cant use the move function as they dont have enough errors. Even if they >> did, using it would render the sandbox worthless because of the redirect. >> Add to this trigger-happy bibliotecarios in es.wiki who erase student work >> with little or no explanation, the last two times being wrongly done. >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:55:31 +0000 >> From: charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com >> To: education(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Editor training with VisualEditor >> >> On 22 February 2015 at 10:33, Filip Maljković <dungodung(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> It is my impression that the VE should be ideally made in such a way that >> a tutorial isn't really necessary. But I guess we don't live in an ideal >> world :) >> >> That is the "ideal world according to Silicon Valley", not the world we >> inhabit as Wikimedians. >> >> The projects want useful content, and how people write for Wikipedia >> matters much more than how they do on Facebook. The world of no manuals, no >> help pages, no support is not one in which we can easily grow our community >> of productive Wikimedians. >> >> And the way the WMF releases software makes life very hard for trainers. >> >> It is literally true that you need to check the night before giving a >> workshop, with a new account, what the current experience for a newcomer to >> Wikipedia is (capchas, strange messages, moving buttons and all). >> >> I believe the latest WMUK training leaflet takes the VE as a given. I >> know their older leaflet on images mentions it, in a way found confusing to >> a newcomer (as I found - she was a Computer Officer). >> >> Charles >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Education mailing list >> Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Education mailing list >> Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > >

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Re: [EE] [Wikimedia Education] Editor training with VisualEditor
by Pine W 22 Feb '15

22 Feb '15

Hi Juliana, The attendees at the Cascadia Wikimedians User Group editing workshop expressed a strong preference for VisualEditor after learning the traditional interface with The Wikipedia Adventure. Hi Amir, Would you be willing to translate the training into English? Pine On Feb 21, 2015 12:00 PM, "domusaurea" <domusaurea(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Excellent point, Pine. I myself don't even know how to use the > VisualEditor - seems odd, but old-timers know how it feels, yep? But > indeed, I'm sure my students would feel less intimidated if they don't need > to learn any coding, even wiki. > > I'd love to hear from colleagues who made this transition in their > classes. Is switching to VisualEditor as effective as promised? > > Juliana > > Enviada do meu iPhone > > Em 21/02/2015, às 17:24, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> escreveu: > > Hi all, > > Is there a lesson plan available for an editor training workshop that uses > VisualEditor? New editors seem to prefer learning VE but all lesson plans > that I know of use the traditional wikitext interface. > > I would like to be able to teach new editors the basics of editing and > referencing using VE, plus talk pages using wikitext, in a one hour format. > > Thanks, > > Pine > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > > > _______________________________________________ > Education mailing list > Education(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education > >

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Editor training with VisualEditor
by Pine W 21 Feb '15

21 Feb '15

Hi all, Is there a lesson plan available for an editor training workshop that uses VisualEditor? New editors seem to prefer learning VE but all lesson plans that I know of use the traditional wikitext interface. I would like to be able to teach new editors the basics of editing and referencing using VE, plus talk pages using wikitext, in a one hour format. Thanks, Pine

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Collaboration scrum notes, Fri Feb 20
by Danny Horn 20 Feb '15

20 Feb '15

*Erik*: Two tests we have for extracting from Parsoid weren't working correctly, and weren't running in Jenkins. Wrote a fix. Fixed problem in templating, a permission mistake that caused exceptions on history. Made some changes for the prototypes on Q1: New model for indentation. Problem with Byte-count in special:contributions. Will figure it out today. *Matt*: Working on maintenance script for lost moderation logs. Helping Nuria with a problem in Analytics. Interviewed Stephane. Today: Finish maintenance script, start working on Visual Editor spike.

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