Top priority is finishing the OOJS handling -- this has to be done and
cleared as soon as we can, to remove blocks for other work.
Also, Dan G asked for us to help with UserMerge support for Flow -- it's
required for SUL, and Dan & Kunal need our help. There's a card at the top
of the Sprint J column. Sorry for adding something else to the sprint, but
if we can pick it up, it'll help them out.
*Erik*:
Found a bug in one of Matthias' patches required a change to core parsing
for wikilinks.
Worked on placement of anon warning in preview (bug 71283), in code review.
Text of new topic form remains after submitting (bug 71776).
Need to finish a couple things in I-1 (hide topic updates), the no-JS hide
and undo.
*Matt*:
Figuring out how to get the OOJS tests passing.
Almost done fully reviewing the OOJS patch. S suggests: focus on the stuff
that's actually blocking other patches from working.
Removed history entry file, other fixes.
Today, after OOJS -- review LQT script, and CSSJanus patch.
*Shahyar*:
Has an update to the OOJS patch to go up, that will make the qunit tests
pass.
J2-a (Header bar with ToC header) -- hacky way to get titles, but this is
proof of concept patch. Not blocked by J-2f's API work.
Put in a spinner for J-2d (clicking on a title beyond the next set) --
you'll see it in the load more "infinite scroll" area as well.
Dear colleagues,
As you may have heard,
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Editor_Interaction_Data_Extracti…
is an individual engagement grant proposal. I am working on this proposal
with volunteer assistance and advice from Aaron Halfaker (WMF), Haitham
Shammaa (WMF), and Fabian Flöck (Karlsruhe Institute of Technology
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlsruhe_Institute_of_Technology>).
We are still developing this proposal, and plan to have it finalized in the
next few days.
We would greatly appreciate your comments on whether you support or oppose
the general concept of this project, and any suggestions about how to
refine the proposal.
Additionally, we would like to hear from you about which sets of editor
interaction data, and what visualizations of editor interaction data, would
be most relevant to your interests. We intend to prioritize our outputs
with your comments in mind.
Please comment on the proposal talk page. Questions and feedback, both
positive and critical, are helpful to us as the proposers, and also help
the Individual Engagement Grants Committee [1] to assess the proposal.
Regards,
Pine
[1] I am a member of the Individual Engagement Grants Committee. I am
recusing from reviewing proposals in this funding round.
Thanks Rachel. I'm forwarding this invite to other lists.
Pine
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Rachel Farrand <rfarrand(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
> Hi Pine,
>
> The streaming youtube link is public. Feel free to distribute it however
> you like. People can also ask questions on the google+ page during the talk
> if they don't have access to IRC. I will not be monitoring it quite as
> closely, but I still will check it during the talk.
>
> As you probably already know, the youtube video will also be public after
> the talk so anyone can watch or rewatch the talk at any point after it is
> over as well.
>
> I hope this answers your question,
>
> Rachel
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rachel,
>>
>> Would it be appropriate to invite people who are outside of the Wikimedia
>> universe to watch on Youtube and participate on IRC? This talk in
>> particular may interest outsiders who are designers, PMs, researchers, or
>> coders.
>>
>> Pine
>> On Oct 7, 2014 3:40 PM, "Rachel Farrand" <rfarrand(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Please join us for the following tech talk:
>>>
>>> *Tech Talk**:* Design Research in Product Development
>>> *Presenter:* Abbey Ripstra, Design & Usability Research Analyst on The UX
>>> team at the Wikimedia Foundation
>>> *Date:* October 22
>>> *Time:* 1900 UTC
>>> <
>>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Tech+Talk%3A+Desig…
>>> >
>>> Link to live YouTube stream <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYMTzzosUIw>
>>> *IRC channel for questions:* #wikimedia-office
>>> Google+ page
>>> <
>>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/103470172168784626509/events/caiiagf75bvddr09…
>>> >,
>>> another
>>> place for questions
>>>
>>> Talk description: The value of design research in product development is
>>> being recognized more frequently these days. This talk will quickly
>>> describe the innovation process, and how, when and why design research
>>> fits
>>> into the different parts of the innovation process. For most of the talk,
>>> Abbey will focus in on the product development part of innovation and
>>> describe how, when and why to best utilize the various methodologies of
>>> design research toward building intuitive, easy to use products that meet
>>> the needs of users. Abbey will also talk about, and want to collaborate
>>> on,
>>> the best ways to integrate design research, specifically, into product
>>> development at Wikimedia Foundation.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Wikitech-l mailing list
>>> Wikitech-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
>>
>>
>
*Matt*:
Reviewed and merged Erik's patch for UUID issue (bug 72086). It's in the
branch so it should go out to Mediawiki today.
Changed to OOJS patch to drop the new directory, some more work this
morning.
Did some review yesterday, need to do more later today.
Today: Finish reviewing OOJS, then Andrew's LQT work in progress.
Also need to work on cssJanus to fix RTL bug.
If there's time today, he'll look at J-2 (ToC) cards.
*Matthias*:
Had to generate csv dumps from article feedback data. (Finishing up a
six-month old project from Fabrice?)
Tomorrow: Work on J-4 (watchlist topic title link) -- questions have been
answered.
*Erik*:
Action=purge is up.
Tested patches on beta. Put up some bug fix patches related to that.
One is related to remove duplicate item from watchlist.
A WiP patch for Hide comments (J-1) is up, needs to be put onto Shahyar's
OOJS meeting.
Going to look at bug 71776: Text in New Topic form remains after submitting.
S looked at the LQT--> Flow conversion script. There are a lot of items in
the checklist that haven't been done yet. Danny is getting a lot of urgent
requests to see a test running.
Shahyar missed the meeting.
Right now, the most important project is to get Shahyar's OOJS changes
complete, so that we don't have to do extra work rebasing patches. This
should get done as soon as possible, to avoid a front-end rewrite style
quicksand situation.
*Matt*:
Worked on taking out collapse code (J-2e). Unfortunately, Shahyar also
worked on that without taking the card in Trello.
Today: Change OOJS patch to drop the new directory. Code review on OOJS &
LQT.
When that's done, pick up the next ToC item.
*Erik*:
Working on hidden comments (J-1) -- still need to figure out how to make it
work on contribs.
Code review of Shahyar's OOJS patch -- minor issues, but it looks pretty
good.
Today - replying to Matthias' questions
*Shahyar*:
Put up patches for H-8.
Worked on J-2e, not realizing that Matt had the card -- there's a patch up.
Did code review -- ran into a few issues rebasing to fit OOJS code, working
on that.
*Matthias*:
Merged a lot of patches from Erik.
Tomorrow: Review OOJS patch.
Ada Lovelace Day is celebrated on October 14 this year.
Augusta Ada King, Countess of Lovelace (born in the year 1815) was a
mathematician and computer programmer who worked on Charles Babbage's
Analytical Engine. She foresaw how computers could evolve into devices that
perform tasks more sophisticated than simple calculations. She is
controversially credited with authoring the world's first computer
program, and certainly worked extensively with Babbage. [1]
Ada Lovelace Day celebrates women's contributions to science, technology,
engineering, and mathematics.
Wikimedia Commons, English Wikipedia, and Persian Wikipedia have designated
a watercolor portrait of Lovelace as a featured picture. [2]
Happy Ada Lovelace Day,
Pine
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace
[2] https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ada_Lovelace_portrait.jpg
I'd like to think about how we can clarify the Flow recent changes text.
Right now, the following Flow actions all appear the same:
1. Creating a new topic
2. Initial post to that topic
3. Another post to that topic.
4. An modification to an existing post.
5. Reply to an existing post
In wikitext, 1 is usually easy to distinguish, since people mostly use
the "New section" link on talk, which creates a summary like:
(→<topic title>?: new section)
where <topic title> is user-provided.
3/4 can be distinguished from 1 with wikitext (1 and 2 are combined with
wikitext normally), since 3/4 do *not* have "new section".
To distinguish 3 vs. 4 vs. 5 with wikitext (when writing the post),
people sometimes use simple edit summaries (though other times, they
don't bother to add a custom summary).
E.g.:
(→<topic/section title>: reply
where this is a section edit, and "reply" is user-provided
There is no software support for distinguishing 3 vs. 4 vs. 5. with
wikitext.
Flow can distinguish all of these actions (which is a *BIG* win over
wikitext), but I believe it does not allow custom edit summaries for any
of them. That means you don't have the option of adding a custom
summary of "reply" or "reply to Dan"; probably such custom summaries are
not needed if Flow provides robust auto-summaries.
But currently, it also does not include automatic summaries or text
identifying the action. So e.g. the following shows examples of 1, 2, 4,
and 3 (in that order. (From
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?namespace=2600&tagfilter=&title=Specia…):
We're talking about potentially merging 1 and 2 in the various feeds.
So I propose (extending
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Automatic_edit_summaries):
(diff | hist) Test post on Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page;
21:09 . . (+9) . . Mattflaschen (WMF) (talk | contribs) (←Created new
topic with "Truncated body of initial post...")
(diff | hist) Test post on Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page;
21:09 . . (+8) . . Mattflaschen (WMF) (talk | contribs) (←Edited a post)
(diff | hist) Test post on Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page;
21:23 . . (+22) . . Mattflaschen (WMF) (talk | contribs) (←Added a new
post to the topic)
Whether to include content (i.e. "Truncated body of initial post...") is
something to consider.
There could also be:
(diff | hist) Test post on Wikipedia talk:Flow/Developer test page;
21:23 . . (+22) . . Mattflaschen (WMF) (talk | contribs) (←Replied)
It could potentially say who you replied to.
There are other actions (e.g. editing board header, summarizing, etc.
which I haven't tested, but should also clarify what happened).
Matt Flaschen
*Matthias*:
J-3: Remove duplicate "created topic" from watchlist. Encountered another
bug that's now fixed.
"This topic has been deleted" message (bug 70497) -- doesn't show code
anymore, shows box with deletion info.
Tomorrow: a lot of code review to work through.
*Matt*:
Looked at Erik's UUID patch.
Bug triage. Found bug with mw-ui in production.
Today: ToC, and code review (esp LQT patch).
*Shahyar*:
OOJS stuff is finished, all in code review.
Planning to get through everything in code review today.
Going to get another patch up for H-8 (add hide to board history). The
modal will show up, and reload the page.
Matt asks: Can you look at IE patch for core?
*Erik*:
Worked on hide comments stuff -- running into some issues this morning
rebasing w Shahyar's patch.
Worked with Matt on UUID conversion, submitted patch to fix up conversion
performance.
SUL finalization is coming soon, we have to use a new hook to merge the
users -- Lego says it has to be done, but Dan G came by for a guest
appearance and says it's not urgent.
Today -- finish hide comments stuff. Shahyar & Erik will talk about
problems. Needs to do contributions items.
*Erik*:
Yesterday, looked at Shahyar's OOJS code. It's enormous, so it's hard to
review -- Erik & Shahyar will do some testing today.
Starting to work on J-1, hiding comments -- nothing concrete there, but
it's not too hard. It's JS, and therefore needs to be done on top of
Shahyar's patch.
*Matt*:
Helped with a bug on beta -- did some research about where errors were
coming from.
Triaged a few Bugzilla bugs, did an update on living style guide.
Finished a couple loose ends from Growth.
For today: code review on the OOJS patch. S says once a couple people have
put +1 on it, we can start making ToC based on that.
Shahyar missed the meeting.
There's a poll on Loomio to use Flow on OfficeWiki. All positive so far,
which is nice. Danny will post on the Loomio page to talk about the
practicalities.
Dan told us about fatal exception on MW:Talk:HHVM/About. Erik will purge
the cache, and look into fixing the root issue.
*Matthias*:
Worked on search. Trying to refactor another part of Cirrus Search's script
that updates index settings.
Tomorrow or early next week, talk to Nik to make sure we're going in the
right direction.
*Matt*:
Worked on the RTL issue. There's a problem in php-cssjanus, fixed that.
After it's merged upstream, we'll need to do a commit to update core.
Tested the backports before deploy.
Did the manual testing on beta. General testing -- new topics, posting,
summarizing, locking and unlocking. Found one issue with escaping, but it's
probably not related to this week's changes.
The code looks okay, safe to release.
Looked at Erik's patch about changing the default number of messages in the
flyout.
*Shahyar*:
Lost some OOJS rebasing work? Correcting it now, some of it is done. Part
up for review now. We need to get rid of anything in Gerrit that has JS
modifications.
Plan for today is to finish the rebase.
H-8 (hide / delete in history) will be done on top of the OOJS patch.
*Erik*:
Helped Matt out with ee-flow workflow error.
Finishing up recent changes fix -- removes a network request. Things will
report as 0 for size until maintenance script runs, but it's fine. A whole
bunch of new tests that go with it.
(There isn't a card for that; S will make one.)
Today -- going through Shahyar's OOJS stuff, hopefully we can send it
through soon.
Matt saw some weird behavior in Echo with I-2 (change the default number of
items in the flyout). Needs to get checked again.
When S backported I-102 (lock reason), he found an error in handlbars. Erik
will check it out.
