/me looks at Sara??? :)
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On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Shani <shani.even(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Floor.
So great to have the team support this! Loved everyone's ideas and
really happy to collaborate with such a great bunch.
Naturally, I'm in for the general video production, but would love to
work on this with maybe 1-2 more volunteers. So, who's in..? :)
Cheers,
Shani.
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:03 AM, Floor Koudijs <fkoudijs(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'm really loving this discussion. So happy to see you all chime in
> and share your ideas about what kind of format would be helpful for the
> monthly Collab meetings.
>
> Shani, thanks for suggesting the idea of a showcase. I love it. Let's
> make sure we find a balance between a 1 minute pitch (which is entirely too
> short to do anything justice) and a 15 minute exposé, which may be
> perceived as too long by some people. I also really like Melina's outline,
> and would like to encourage all of you to think about these questions for
> framing this:
> * Why is this interesting or relevant for an international audience?
> * What can others learn from this experience?
> * What was the major eye-opener / lesson you got from this experience?
> * Highlight one challenge and one creative solution you came up with
> (and I can keep going with these kinds of questions).
>
> Thanks as well for suggesting a general education-related video. That
> sounds really awesome. I did speak to Victor about something like that a
> long time ago, and much has changed since then, so it's probably time to
> dust off that conversation and see if we can get it moving. Since this is a
> request that came from our Collab members, I would be so very happy if
> (some of) you can take this forward. We would be happy to provide guidance
> as needed. I'm also happy to have an initial conversation with Victor to
> see whether he would be able to do this, or whether it might make more
> sense to go with the external group Sara suggested. Who of you Collab
> members would like to take the lead on this? (and let's put it in
> Phabricator then!)
>
> I look forward to a great meeting in December!
>
>
> Floor Koudijs
>
> Senior Manager, Wikipedia Education Program
>
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> +1.415.839.6885 x6806 (landline)
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>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:39 AM, Àlex Hinojo <alexhinojo(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> sorry for the missquote, I was meaning exactly the same :-)
>>
>> 2015-11-30 10:33 GMT+01:00 Shani <shani.even(a)gmail.com>om>:
>>
>>> Thanks to everyone who has already participated in this small
>>> "brainstorming" with me. :-)
>>> Just a quick clarification, I was talking about recording *only* the
>>> project showcase, not the whole session. I believe it's good and
important
>>> to have an informal part, where peolpe are free to ask, share etc off
>>> record, without worrying about being recording, for exactly the reasons
>>> Sara mentioned.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Shani..
>>> On 30 Nov 2015 11:04, "Sara Mörtsell"
<sara.mortsell(a)wikimedia.se>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone!
>>>>
>>>> Great progress guys!! Melina's outline feels just like something we
>>>> can make good use out of.
>>>>
>>>> I have some thoughts about recording the meetings. Generally, this
>>>> is great for all the reasons Shani says and it's in line with the
open and
>>>> sharing spirit of our community and movement. One thing however
I've
>>>> learnt from facilitating MOOCs is that it can have a censoring effect on
>>>> the participants, in this case that would be on ourselves. If I feel
like
>>>> I'm taking too much of a risk when I talk about the downsides or
mistakes
>>>> in my projects, then I might go for simply leaving them out of the
>>>> discussions, missing a good learning opportunity for everyone. Perhaps
we
>>>> could record parts of the meeting recorded? I don't know, just
thought I'd
>>>> share my thoughts on that.
>>>>
>>>> Video! YES! And if it's a matter of budget etc. we should also
>>>> remember Simply Show Foundation (who where at Wikimania and perhaps some
of
>>>> you attended their workshop?),
>>>>
https://www.youtube.com/user/simpleshowfoundation. Ilya who was
>>>> their representative joined us at the Education pre-conference so he
>>>> already has some concepts of what we do and why etc. They are a
non-profit
>>>> part of a corporate and they do stuff for other non-profits at low costs,
I
>>>> know they're producing the Wikipedia 15 film so you'll see more
about them
>>>> once that film is out.
>>>>
>>>> Looking forward to our next meeting!
>>>> Sara
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2015-11-29 17:39 GMT+01:00 Shani <shani.even(a)gmail.com>om>:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I love all the ideas, and even more so that there's a
>>>>> discussion about doing something like that.
>>>>> Still curious to learn what other collab members think about it,
>>>>> as well as WMF EDU team. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Shani.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Melina Masnatta <
>>>>> melina(a)wikimedia.org.ar> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Shani
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I love your ideas, I think both of them are very useful J
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I´m agree with Vojtěch and Netha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the case of the showcase a specific project, maybe we can
>>>>>> share before links, or make a very short infographyc (exist many
free
>>>>>> digital tools like picktochart <http://piktochart.com/>).
I
>>>>>> think we can prepare too a questions or a form to be more
specific…for
>>>>>> example:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Why do you think it´s important to share this case?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Can be scalable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) About results and suggestions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) How can we get more information if we are interesting to know
>>>>>> more?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like the exercise of pitching
>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_(filmmaking)>, we can
do it
>>>>>> in a very short time ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hugs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meli
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2015-11-29 9:44 GMT-03:00 Netha Hussain
<nethahussain(a)gmail.com>om>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Shani,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for suggesting the creation of a video! I think a
>>>>>>> video is going to be a great resource, especially for
outreach. I love the
>>>>>>> idea of being able to show a video to inspire students (and
faculty) to
>>>>>>> join the Wikipedia Education Program. A cost-effective
solution for this
>>>>>>> would be to have the respective chapters and liaisons film
the video
>>>>>>> locally. The interviews could be done during Collab meetings
or during
>>>>>>> Wikimania while in Italy, when most of us are likely to get
together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In mid- December, we in India will have a regional Wikimedia
>>>>>>> conference for Malayalam (ml) Wikimedians. We are
anticipating a handful of
>>>>>>> students and teachers as participants. I am thrilled by the
idea of
>>>>>>> videographing them,recording their experiences about how they
started using
>>>>>>> Wikipedia as a resource for education. If we can lay down a
plan for the
>>>>>>> video by early December, I will be able to get relevant shots
from India
>>>>>>> for adding on to the video.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>> Netha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Shani
<shani.even(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your input, Vojtech!
>>>>>>>> I agree regarding trickiness of filming various programs,
but
>>>>>>>> it can be worked around creatively, by filming locally,
interviewing online
>>>>>>>> and editing everything later to one video. The bigger
challenge I see is
>>>>>>>> deciding what goes into such a video.. But before we get
there, let's see
>>>>>>>> if others agree it's necessary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for 10 min vs. 15+5 for questions -- no doubt, 10 is
better
>>>>>>>> than nothing. However, the reason for propoding a longer
time is to allow
>>>>>>>> people time to get into the details of *how* exactly they
run their
>>>>>>>> programs.
>>>>>>>> It seems to me that we talk a lot about best practices
and
>>>>>>>> documentation, but bedises metrics (that the FDC also
requires), the level
>>>>>>>> of details is such that if you really want to understand
how a specific
>>>>>>>> program works, actually learn from their experience and
say try to
>>>>>>>> "duplicate" the experience, you won't know
what to do because all you know
>>>>>>>> it that "X had a great experience with 5th grade
pupils", "Y created a
>>>>>>>> successful university course", "Z have an
inspiring senior citizen
>>>>>>>> program". In other words, I find that other than
this shallow knowledge
>>>>>>>> *of* programs, the actual knowlege of *how* they really
run is very little.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, it may as well be something that only bothers me. If
so,
>>>>>>>> I'll continue to do what I can on my personal
capacity. But if it's not,
>>>>>>>> and other share the need for more details, then let's
do something about -
>>>>>>>> let's collabotatively think of standars for
effectively reporting a project
>>>>>>>> / initiative and change the discourse. These videos can
be a step in the
>>>>>>>> right direction. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Shani.
>>>>>>>> Hello Shani, thanks for your work on this!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for the in-depth discussions, my view is that 20
minutes is
>>>>>>>> too much to explain and discuss a single program. I'd
give it a maximum of
>>>>>>>> 10 minutes but that's just my personal view.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be very nice to have and official promotional
video
>>>>>>>> featuring the global education activities. At the same,
the global nature
>>>>>>>> of our projects means that it will take a lot of time and
cost a lot of
>>>>>>>> money to capture more than just 1-2 programs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vojtěch Dostál
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> předseda rady / chairman of the board
>>>>>>>> Wikimedia Česká republika / Wikimedia Czech Republic
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2015-11-28 16:42 GMT+01:00 Shani
<shani.even(a)gmail.com>om>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello, Collab enthusiasts!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1 - I've just sent out a doodle for the coming *2
hangouts
>>>>>>>>> for December & January*.
>>>>>>>>> Since part of Dec includes holidays and some of us
will be
>>>>>>>>> vacationing, it would be good to schedule these two
dates advance.
>>>>>>>>> Please fill out the doodle by next Saturday (Dec 6th)
so we
>>>>>>>>> can schedule a final meeting time as soon as
possible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2 - Following a remark Paola made during our last
meeting
>>>>>>>>> about a need for an in-depth discussions about
various topics, I'd like to
>>>>>>>>> propose using our monthly meeting in a new way. I was
thinking we can use
>>>>>>>>> the first 20 minutes of each meeting to showcase a
specific project /
>>>>>>>>> initiative from around the world. Something in the
lines of a 15 minute
>>>>>>>>> explanation about the project and 5 minutes for
questions.
>>>>>>>>> I believe having more than a minute to share our
experiences
>>>>>>>>> will benefit everyone.
>>>>>>>>> I also suggest that at least these parts of our
meeting will
>>>>>>>>> be recorded and then uploaded as a YouTube video.
Recording doesn't have to
>>>>>>>>> be via "hangout on air". We can simply use
a screen-capture software for
>>>>>>>>> that part of the session. The idea is that we have a
growing database of
>>>>>>>>> wiki-edu case reports, some might probably be best
practices, but even if
>>>>>>>>> they are not, people can learn from anything that
happens, from things that
>>>>>>>>> do not work as well as things that do work. In short,
videos are an
>>>>>>>>> important educational tool. There is no reason why we
should document only
>>>>>>>>> in a written form on outreach. We can use other
sources and link them on
>>>>>>>>> outreach. I think this is something practical the
collab can do to promote
>>>>>>>>> awareness.
>>>>>>>>> *What do you say..? Is this something you'd like
us to do
>>>>>>>>> during our meetings?*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3 - And one last suggestion, which is *practically
directed
>>>>>>>>> at the WMF team, but again, I'd love to hear
everyone's thoughts about*
>>>>>>>>> -- with Education been such a focus globally in many
chapters and the WMF
>>>>>>>>> itself, would it be possible to harness Victor, the
WMF's official
>>>>>>>>> story-teller, to create a sort of "formal"
video about what the Wiki
>>>>>>>>> Education program is? Similar to what was done for
Wikipedia Zero, or a few
>>>>>>>>> days ago for the Erasmus prize? I think it's
something we really need and
>>>>>>>>> can be used worldwide (with subtitles) to promote
what it is that we are
>>>>>>>>> doing here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for bearing with me with all my thoughts
today.. :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have a great weekend, everyone!
>>>>>>>>> Shani.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Shani Evenstein (via
Doodle)
>>>>>>>>> <mailer(a)doodle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Shani Evenstein invites you to participate in the
Doodle poll
>>>>>>>>>> "Scheduling the Wiki-EDU Collab Monthly
Meetings: Dec 2015 + Jan."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
<https://doodle.com/?tmail=poll_invitecontact_participant_invitation_with_message&tlink=logo>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Shani Evenstein (shani.even(a)gmail.com) invites
you to
>>>>>>>>>> participate in the Doodle poll "Scheduling
the Wiki-EDU
>>>>>>>>>> Collab Monthly Meetings: Dec 2015 + Jan."
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Collab members,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This Doodle is for us to schedule our next *2*
Wiki-EDU
>>>>>>>>>> Collab Monthly Meeting, for both December 2015
& January 2016.
>>>>>>>>>> Please mark the dates you can make it so we can
set the time
>>>>>>>>>> in advance.
>>>>>>>>>> These meetings are not mandatory, but we would
love to meet
>>>>>>>>>> as many of you as possible online.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>> Shani & the WMF's EDU team.
>>>>>>>>>> Participate now
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Evenstein to find a suitable date for meeting
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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