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Oliver Keyes

2 Dec 2015 2 Dec '15

4:41 p.m.

One of the most prominent top articles has no page; it's "-". What is this? -- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation

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Gabriel Wicke

2 Dec 2 Dec

4:58 p.m.

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One of the most prominent top articles has no page; it's "-". What is this? -- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics

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Dan Andreescu

5 p.m.

I always wonder about that. There's also an actual page that could theoretically be hit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=-&redirect=no On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Gabriel Wicke <gwicke(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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One of the most prominent top articles has no page; it's "-". What is

this?

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Oliver Keyes

5:10 p.m.

Can someone dig into it? We should really be excluding that (unless it is the page on the dash ;p) On 2 December 2015 at 12:00, Dan Andreescu <dandreescu(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Joseph Allemandou

5:14 p.m.

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Can someone dig into it? We should really be excluding that (unless it is the page on the dash ;p) On 2 December 2015 at 12:00, Dan Andreescu <dandreescu(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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> > Historically, I vaguely remember that we have used that title for user > script / style loading with action=raw. I think that's gone from the > skin code, but it's possible that user scripts still reference this > title. > > Gabriel > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org>

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Oliver Keyes

5:16 p.m.

I mean, now I want to know how we can have a condition where there's no page title but it registers as a pageview. On 2 December 2015 at 12:14, Joseph Allemandou <jallemandou(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Can someone dig into it? We should really be excluding that (unless it is the page on the dash ;p) On 2 December 2015 at 12:00, Dan Andreescu <dandreescu(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Historically, I vaguely remember that we have used that title for user script / style loading with action=raw. I think that's gone from the skin code, but it's possible that user scripts still reference this title. Gabriel On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > One of the most prominent top articles has no page; it's "-". What is > this? > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Count Logula > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics -- Gabriel Wicke Principal Engineer, Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics

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Joseph Allemandou

5:38 p.m.

Food for thoughts: SELECT uri_host, uri_path, uri_query, COUNT(1) as c FROM wmf.webrequest WHERE webrequest_source IN ('text', 'mobile') AND <YEAR/MONTH/DAY/HOUR restricted> AND is_pageview AND pageview_info['page_title'] = '-' GROUP BY uri_host, uri_path, uri_query ORDER BY c DESC LIMIT 100; en.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 1986 fr.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Rechercher 476 ar.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB 461 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Calvary%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Brendan%20Gleeson%20%2B%202014&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 356 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=The%20Woman%20in%20Black%202%3A%20Angel%20of%20Death%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Jeremy%20Irvine%20%2B%202014&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 317 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??? 307 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???? 258 pt.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Pesquisar 253 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=We%20Are%20the%20Best%21%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Vanja%20Engstr%C3%B6m%20%2B%202013&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 207 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Manhattan%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20John%20Benjamin%20Hickey%20%2B%202015&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 200 es.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Buscar 162 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Angus,%20Thongs%20and%20Perfect%20Snogging%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Aaron%20Taylor-Johnson%20%2B%202008&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 145 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php 140 de.m.wikipedia.org /wiki ?search=Mordkommission%20BERLIN%201 139 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????? 134 en.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search= 120 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?? 117 ru.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=%D0%9D%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%82%D0%B8 112 de.wikipedia.org /w/index.php 100 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??????? 93 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???? 93 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???????? 83 m.wikimediafoundation.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 82 fa.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=%D8%AC%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%AC%D9%88 82 zh.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??? 80 ar.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search&fulltext=%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB 77 zh.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???? 76 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????? 76 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????? 72 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????_?????? 69 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Once%20Upon%20a%20Time%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Ginnifer%20Goodwin%20%2B%202015&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 69 commons.m.wikimedia.org /wiki/ ?uselang=it 69 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=The%20Birdcage%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Robin%20Williams%20%2B%201996&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 68 commons.wikimedia.org /wiki/ ?uselang=it 66 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????_????? 63 de.m.wikipedia.org /wiki ?search=Helmar%20B%C3%BCchel 58 en.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search&fulltext=Search 56 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????_??????? 54 en.m.wikipedia.org /wiki ?search=%3Cnomatch%2F%3E 53 en.wikipedia.org / ?search=+ 53 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=We%20Are%20What%20We%20Are%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Vonia%20Arslanian%20%2B%202013&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 51 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?diff=693310399&oldid=662731788 50 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=We're%20the%20Millers%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Jason%20Sudeikis%20%2B%202013&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 48 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????_???? 48 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?diff=693310404&oldid=693207084 47 commons.m.wikimedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 44 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????_?????? 44 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????_??????? 43 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?do=/user/login/ 43 zh.wikipedia.org /zh-tw/ 43 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????_????? 42 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?diff=693313743&oldid=693310399 42 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????? 41 en.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=Mukamwezi.Com&fulltext=Search 41 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Marina%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Matteo%20Simoni%20%2B%202013&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 41 de.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Volltext 40 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????_???? 40 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?do=/blog/ 37 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????????? 37 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Zurich%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Wende%20Snijders%20%2B%202015&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 37 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??????? 36 ar.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=%D8%B3%D9%83%D8%B3&fulltext=%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB 35 tr.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Ara 35 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Extraterrestre%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Juli%C3%A1n%20Villagr%C3%A1n%20%2B%202011&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 34 uk.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?curid=2070033 33 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???_????? 33 es.wikipedia.org /w/index.php 33 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???_???? 32 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=The%20Book%20Thief%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Sophie%20N%C3%A9lisse%20%2B%202013&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 32 en.wikipedia.org / ?search=Fn,..;;;: 31 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?do=/user/profile/ 31 de.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=Rtl+Deutschland 31 id.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Cari 30 de.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=Mordkommission+Berlin+1 30 de.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search= 30 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?do=/user/privacy/ 30 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Exodus%3A%20Gods%20and%20Kings%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Christian%20Bale%20%2B%202014&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 29 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??_?????? 28 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??? 28 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????_???????? 27 en.wikipedia.org / ?curid=3392129 26 es.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search= 26 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Event%20Horizon%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Laurence%20Fishburne%20%2B%201997&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 26 en.m.wiktionary.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 25 meta.m.wikimedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 25 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??????_???????? 24 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???????? 24 zh.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?%E6%9C%88? 24 sw.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Tafuta 24 de.m.wikipedia.org /wiki ?search=Mordkommission%20Berlin%201 24 en.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=xnxx+xnxx+xnxx 24 zh.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?? 24 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Hart's%20War%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Bruce%20Willis%20%2B%202002&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 24 m.mediawiki.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 23 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ 23 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Selma%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20David%20Oyelowo%20%2B%202014&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 23 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=The%20Bridge%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Sofia%20Helin%20%2B%202011&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 23 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Rob%20the%20Mob%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Michael%20Pitt%20%2B%202014&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 23 fr.wikipedia.org / ?search=+ 23 it.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Ricerca 22 On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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I mean, now I want to know how we can have a condition where there's no page title but it registers as a pageview. On 2 December 2015 at 12:14, Joseph Allemandou <jallemandou(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Double checked:

https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/blob/master/refinery…

This value is the default when no page title is found. I agree it's not very explicit. Any suggestion on changing it, or should we just make sure it is

documented

? On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org>

wrote:

> > Can someone dig into it? We should really be excluding that (unless it > is the page on the dash ;p) > > On 2 December 2015 at 12:00, Dan Andreescu <dandreescu(a)wikimedia.org> > wrote: > > I always wonder about that. There's also an actual page that could > > theoretically be hit: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=-&redirect=no > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Gabriel Wicke <gwicke(a)wikimedia.org> > > wrote: > >> > >> Historically, I vaguely remember that we have used that title for

user

> >> script / style loading with action=raw. I think that's gone from the > >> skin code, but it's possible that user scripts still reference this > >> title. > >> > >> Gabriel > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> > >> wrote: > >> > One of the most prominent top articles has no page; it's "-". What

> > this? > > > > -- > > Oliver Keyes > > Count Logula > > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Analytics mailing list > > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > -- > Gabriel Wicke > Principal Engineer, Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics

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Oliver Keyes

5:40 p.m.

Why the heck is search in https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/blob/master/refinery… ? (I say that knowing it is probably my fault) On 2 December 2015 at 12:38, Joseph Allemandou <jallemandou(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...

I mean, now I want to know how we can have a condition where there's no page title but it registers as a pageview. On 2 December 2015 at 12:14, Joseph Allemandou <jallemandou(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Can someone dig into it? We should really be excluding that (unless it is the page on the dash ;p) On 2 December 2015 at 12:00, Dan Andreescu <dandreescu(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > I always wonder about that. There's also an actual page that could > theoretically be hit: > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=-&redirect=no > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Gabriel Wicke <gwicke(a)wikimedia.org> > wrote: >> >> Historically, I vaguely remember that we have used that title for >> user >> script / style loading with action=raw. I think that's gone from the >> skin code, but it's possible that user scripts still reference this >> title. >> >> Gabriel >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> >> wrote: >> > One of the most prominent top articles has no page; it's "-". What >> > is >> > this? >> > >> > -- >> > Oliver Keyes >> > Count Logula >> > Wikimedia Foundation >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Analytics mailing list >> > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> >> >> >> -- >> Gabriel Wicke >> Principal Engineer, Wikimedia Foundation >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Analytics mailing list >> Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > -- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics

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Oliver Keyes

5:52 p.m.

Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553db… (I agree wholeheartedly with previous Oliver's assertion that MediaWiki is trying to kill me) I'll leave it up to y'all whether you remove it or not. On 2 December 2015 at 12:40, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...

I mean, now I want to know how we can have a condition where there's no page title but it registers as a pageview. On 2 December 2015 at 12:14, Joseph Allemandou <jallemandou(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Double checked: https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/blob/master/refinery… This value is the default when no page title is found. I agree it's not very explicit. Any suggestion on changing it, or should we just make sure it is documented ? On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > > Can someone dig into it? We should really be excluding that (unless it > is the page on the dash ;p) > > On 2 December 2015 at 12:00, Dan Andreescu <dandreescu(a)wikimedia.org> > wrote: > > I always wonder about that. There's also an actual page that could > > theoretically be hit: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=-&redirect=no > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Gabriel Wicke <gwicke(a)wikimedia.org> > > wrote: > >> > >> Historically, I vaguely remember that we have used that title for > >> user > >> script / style loading with action=raw. I think that's gone from the > >> skin code, but it's possible that user scripts still reference this > >> title. > >> > >> Gabriel > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> > >> wrote: > >> > One of the most prominent top articles has no page; it's "-". What > >> > is > >> > this? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Oliver Keyes > >> > Count Logula > >> > Wikimedia Foundation > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Analytics mailing list > >> > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Gabriel Wicke > >> Principal Engineer, Wikimedia Foundation > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Analytics mailing list > >> Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Analytics mailing list > > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Count Logula > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics -- Joseph Allemandou Data Engineer @ Wikimedia Foundation IRC: joal _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics

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Timo Tijhof

6:18 p.m.

It's true that MediaWiki supports search based solely on the ?search query parameter. Regardless of whether title=Special:Search is specified. This is mostly for legacy reasons as search predates the concept of special pages. However, would it make sense to instead count these as page views for 'Special:Search'? -- Timo On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...

Why the heck is search in

https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/blob/master/refinery…

? (I say that knowing it is probably my fault) On 2 December 2015 at 12:38, Joseph Allemandou <jallemandou(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > Food for thoughts: > > > SELECT > uri_host, uri_path, uri_query, COUNT(1) as c > FROM wmf.webrequest > WHERE webrequest_source IN ('text', 'mobile') AND <YEAR/MONTH/DAY/HOUR > restricted> > AND is_pageview AND pageview_info['page_title'] = '-' > GROUP BY uri_host, uri_path, uri_query > ORDER BY c DESC LIMIT 100; > > > > en.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 1986 > fr.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Rechercher 476 > ar.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php

?search=&fulltext=%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB

> 461 > en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=Calvary%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Brendan%20Gleeson%20%2B%202014&fulltext=Search&ns0=1

> 356 > en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=The%20Woman%20in%20Black%202%3A%20Angel%20of%20Death%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Jeremy%20Irvine%20%2B%202014&fulltext=Search&ns0=1

> 317 > ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??? 307 > ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???? 258 > pt.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Pesquisar 253 > en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=We%20Are%20the%20Best%21%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Vanja%20Engstr%C3%B6m%20%2B%202013&fulltext=Search&ns0=1

> 207 > en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=Manhattan%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20John%20Benjamin%20Hickey%20%2B%202015&fulltext=Search&ns0=1

> 200 > es.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Buscar 162 > en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=Angus,%20Thongs%20and%20Perfect%20Snogging%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Aaron%20Taylor-Johnson%20%2B%202008&fulltext=Search&ns0=1

> 145 > en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php 140 > de.m.wikipedia.org /wiki ?search=Mordkommission%20BERLIN%201 139 > ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????? 134 > en.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search= 120 > ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?? 117 > ru.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php > ?search=&fulltext=%D0%9D%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%82%D0%B8 112 > de.wikipedia.org /w/index.php 100 > ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??????? 93 > ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???? 93 > ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???????? 83 > m.wikimediafoundation.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 82 > fa.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php > ?search=&fulltext=%D8%AC%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%AC%D9%88 82 > zh.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??? 80 > ar.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php

?search&fulltext=%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB 77

> zh.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???? 76 > ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????? 76 > ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????? 72 > ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????_?????? 69 > en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=Once%20Upon%20a%20Time%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Ginnifer%20Goodwin%20%2B%202015&fulltext=Search&ns0=1

> 69 > commons.m.wikimedia.org /wiki/ ?uselang=it 69 > en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=The%20Birdcage%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Robin%20Williams%20%2B%201996&fulltext=Search&ns0=1

> 68 > commons.wikimedia.org /wiki/ ?uselang=it 66 > ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????_????? 63 > de.m.wikipedia.org /wiki ?search=Helmar%20B%C3%BCchel 58 > en.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search&fulltext=Search 56 > ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????_??????? 54 > en.m.wikipedia.org /wiki ?search=%3Cnomatch%2F%3E 53 > en.wikipedia.org / ?search=+ 53 > en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=We%20Are%20What%20We%20Are%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Vonia%20Arslanian%20%2B%202013&fulltext=Search&ns0=1

> 51 > en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?diff=693310399&oldid=662731788 50 > en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=We're%20the%20Millers%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Jason%20Sudeikis%20%2B%202013&fulltext=Search&ns0=1

> 48 > ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????_???? 48 > en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?diff=693310404&oldid=693207084 47 > commons.m.wikimedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 44 > ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????_?????? 44 > ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????_??????? 43 > en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?do=/user/login/ 43 > zh.wikipedia.org /zh-tw/ 43 > ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????_????? 42 > en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?diff=693313743&oldid=693310399 42 > ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????? 41 > en.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=Mukamwezi.Com&fulltext=Search

> en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=Marina%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Matteo%20Simoni%20%2B%202013&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 >> 41 >> de.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Volltext 40 >> ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????_???? 40 >> en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?do=/blog/ 37 >> ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????????? 37

> en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=Zurich%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Wende%20Snijders%20%2B%202015&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 >> 37 >> ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??????? 36 >> ar.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >> ?search=%D8%B3%D9%83%D8%B3&fulltext=%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB 35 >> tr.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Ara 35

> en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=Extraterrestre%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Juli%C3%A1n%20Villagr%C3%A1n%20%2B%202011&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 >> 34 >> uk.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?curid=2070033 33 >> ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???_????? 33 >> es.wikipedia.org /w/index.php 33 >> ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???_???? 32

> en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=The%20Book%20Thief%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Sophie%20N%C3%A9lisse%20%2B%202013&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 >> 32 >> en.wikipedia.org / ?search=Fn,..;;;: 31 >> en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?do=/user/profile/ 31 >> de.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=Rtl+Deutschland 31 >> id.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Cari 30 >> de.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=Mordkommission+Berlin+1 30 >> de.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search= 30 >> en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?do=/user/privacy/ 30

> en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=Exodus%3A%20Gods%20and%20Kings%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Christian%20Bale%20%2B%202014&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 >> 29 >> ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??_?????? 28 >> ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??? 28 >> ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????_???????? 27 >> en.wikipedia.org / ?curid=3392129 26 >> es.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search= 26

> en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=Event%20Horizon%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Laurence%20Fishburne%20%2B%201997&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 >> 26 >> en.m.wiktionary.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 25 >> meta.m.wikimedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 25 >> ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??????_???????? 24 >> ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???????? 24 >> zh.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?%E6%9C%88? 24 >> sw.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Tafuta 24 >> de.m.wikipedia.org /wiki ?search=Mordkommission%20Berlin%201 24 >> en.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=xnxx+xnxx+xnxx 24 >> zh.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?? 24

> en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=Hart's%20War%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Bruce%20Willis%20%2B%202002&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 >> 24 >> m.mediawiki.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 23 >> ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ 23

> en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=Selma%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20David%20Oyelowo%20%2B%202014&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 >> 23

> en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=The%20Bridge%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Sofia%20Helin%20%2B%202011&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 >> 23

> en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php >

?redirs=0&search=Rob%20the%20Mob%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Michael%20Pitt%20%2B%202014&fulltext=Search&ns0=1

> 23 > fr.wikipedia.org / ?search=+ 23 > it.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Ricerca 22 > > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org>

wrote:

>> >> I mean, now I want to know how we can have a condition where there's >> no page title but it registers as a pageview. >> >> On 2 December 2015 at 12:14, Joseph Allemandou >> <jallemandou(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: >> > Double checked: >> > >> >

https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/blob/master/refinery…

>> > >> > This value is the default when no page title is found. >> > I agree it's not very explicit. >> > Any suggestion on changing it, or should we just make sure it is >> > documented >> > ? >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Can someone dig into it? We should really be excluding that (unless

>> >> is the page on the dash ;p) >> >> >> >> On 2 December 2015 at 12:00, Dan Andreescu <

dandreescu(a)wikimedia.org>

>> >> wrote: >> >> > I always wonder about that. There's also an actual page that

could

>> >> > theoretically be hit: >> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=-&redirect=no >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Gabriel Wicke <

gwicke(a)wikimedia.org>

>> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Historically, I vaguely remember that we have used that title for >> >> >> user >> >> >> script / style loading with action=raw. I think that's gone from

the

>> >> >> skin code, but it's possible that user scripts still reference

this

>> >> >> title. >> >> >> >> >> >> Gabriel >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Keyes <

okeyes(a)wikimedia.org>

>> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > One of the most prominent top articles has no page; it's "-".

What

>> >> > is >> >> > this? >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Oliver Keyes >> >> > Count Logula >> >> > Wikimedia Foundation >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Analytics mailing list >> >> > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Gabriel Wicke >> >> Principal Engineer, Wikimedia Foundation >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Analytics mailing list >> >> Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Analytics mailing list >> > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Oliver Keyes >> Count Logula >> Wikimedia Foundation >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Analytics mailing list >> Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > > -- > Joseph Allemandou > Data Engineer @ Wikimedia Foundation > IRC: joal > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > -- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics

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Federico Leva (Nemo)

7:57 p.m.

Oliver Keyes, 02/12/2015 18:52:

...

Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553db…

Context: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Page_view/Archive_1#Parameter… Nemo

Nuria Ruiz

8:38 p.m.

...

It's true that MediaWiki supports search based solely on the ?search query

parameter. Regardless of whether title=Special:Search is specified.

...

This is mostly for legacy reasons as search predates the concept of

special pages.

...

However, would it make sense to instead count these as page views for

'Special:Search'? One thing worth clarifying is that analytics team doesn't own the pageview definition (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view), we implement it to the best of our ability. Deciding what constitutes a pageview for search falls on the search team as they are the ones that know their functionality best (substitute "search team" by "some entity with knowledge of mediawiki's search abilities") According to Timo's comment it seems that "?search" requests should be counted as true pageviews but let us know otherwise via phab ticket or this list. Thanks, Nuria On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

Oliver Keyes, 02/12/2015 18:52:

Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553db…

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Dan Andreescu

9:54 p.m.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...

According to Timo's comment it seems that "?search" requests should be counted as true pageviews but let us know otherwise via phab ticket or this list.

Well, make a phab ticket either way. This is a simple change, but I agree with Nuria we'll let the search team drive it.

Oliver Keyes

3 Dec 3 Dec

5:44 p.m.

On 2 December 2015 at 15:38, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...

One thing worth clarifying is that analytics team doesn't own the pageview definition (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view), we implement it to the best of our ability. Deciding what constitutes a pageview for search falls on the search team as they are the ones that know their functionality best (substitute "search team" by "some entity with knowledge of mediawiki's search abilities") According to Timo's comment it seems that "?search" requests should be counted as true pageviews but let us know otherwise via phab ticket or this list.

Who does own it?

...

Thanks, Nuria On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Oliver Keyes, 02/12/2015 18:52:

Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553db…

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Nuria Ruiz

5:54 p.m.

...

Who does own it?

On our opinion every team should own the definition of a pageview in their product right and when in doubt analytics or research can be involved to provide feedback on lessons learned. For example: who is best qualified than IOS team to decide what constitutes a page in the IOS app? With that in mind I have created a ticket to define what constitutes a Search pageview: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120249 Let me know what is a good discovery project to tag this ticket with so this ticket gets some visibility. Thanks, Nuria On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...

On 2 December 2015 at 15:38, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

>It's true that MediaWiki supports search based solely on the ?search

query

> parameter. Regardless of whether title=Special:Search is specified. >This is mostly for legacy reasons as search predates the concept of

special

pages. However, would it make sense to instead count these as page views for 'Special:Search'?

One thing worth clarifying is that analytics team doesn't own the

pageview

definition (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view), we implement it to the best of our ability. Deciding what constitutes a pageview for search falls on the search team as they are the ones that

know

their functionality best (substitute "search team" by "some entity with knowledge of mediawiki's search abilities") According to Timo's comment

seems that "?search" requests should be counted as true pageviews but

let us

know otherwise via phab ticket or this list.

Who does own it?

Thanks, Nuria On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <

nemowiki(a)gmail.com>

wrote: > > Oliver Keyes, 02/12/2015 18:52: >> >> Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is >> >>

https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553db…

> > > Context: >

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Page_view/Archive_1#Parameter…

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Oliver Keyes

5:55 p.m.

So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned simultaneously by everyone? On 3 December 2015 at 12:54, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...

Who does own it?

On 2 December 2015 at 15:38, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Who does own it?

Thanks, Nuria On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Oliver Keyes, 02/12/2015 18:52: > > Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is > > > https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553db… Context: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Page_view/Archive_1#Parameter… Nemo _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics

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Nuria Ruiz

6:07 p.m.

...

So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned

simultaneously by everyone? Sure, just like mediawiki codebase is collectively own. Personally I do not see that as a problem and regardless I think it reflects reality, analytics team -as I mentioned before- doesn't have the knowledge or authority to "decide" what constitutes a search pageview without talking to the team/devs/community memebers that actually know how search works. On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...

So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned simultaneously by everyone? On 3 December 2015 at 12:54, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Who does own it?

On our opinion every team should own the definition of a pageview in

their

product right and when in doubt analytics or research can be involved to provide feedback on lessons learned. For example: who is best qualified than IOS team to decide what

constitutes

a page in the IOS app? With that in mind I have created a ticket to define what constitutes a Search pageview: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120249 Let me know what is a good discovery project to tag this ticket with so

this

ticket gets some visibility. Thanks, Nuria On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org>

wrote:

> > On 2 December 2015 at 15:38, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > >>It's true that MediaWiki supports search based solely on the ?search > >> query > >> parameter. Regardless of whether title=Special:Search is specified. > >>This is mostly for legacy reasons as search predates the concept of > >> special > >> pages. > >>However, would it make sense to instead count these as page views for > >> 'Special:Search'? > > > > One thing worth clarifying is that analytics team doesn't own the > > pageview > > definition (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view), we > > implement it to the best of our ability. Deciding what constitutes a > > pageview for search falls on the search team as they are the ones that > > know > > their functionality best (substitute "search team" by "some entity

with

> > knowledge of mediawiki's search abilities") According to Timo's

comment

> > it > > seems that "?search" requests should be counted as true pageviews but > > let us > > know otherwise via phab ticket or this list. > > > > Who does own it? > > > Thanks, > > > > Nuria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) > > <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Oliver Keyes, 02/12/2015 18:52: > >>> > >>> Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is > >>> > >>> > >>>

https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553db…

> >> > >> > >> Context: > >> > >>

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Page_view/Archive_1#Parameter…

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Oliver Keyes

6:11 p.m.

Sure, but ownership does not mean "knows everything" it means "Makes sure it gets done". MediaWiki is owned by everyone, sure, but the actual idea of what MediaWiki core is has a team. The MediaWiki core team. On 3 December 2015 at 13:07, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned simultaneously by everyone?

Sure, just like mediawiki codebase is collectively own. Personally I do not see that as a problem and regardless I think it reflects reality, analytics team -as I mentioned before- doesn't have the knowledge or authority to "decide" what constitutes a search pageview without talking to the team/devs/community memebers that actually know how search works. On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned simultaneously by everyone? On 3 December 2015 at 12:54, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Who does own it?

On 2 December 2015 at 15:38, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: >>It's true that MediaWiki supports search based solely on the ?search >> query >> parameter. Regardless of whether title=Special:Search is specified. >>This is mostly for legacy reasons as search predates the concept of >> special >> pages. >>However, would it make sense to instead count these as page views for >> 'Special:Search'? > > One thing worth clarifying is that analytics team doesn't own the > pageview > definition (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view), we > implement it to the best of our ability. Deciding what constitutes a > pageview for search falls on the search team as they are the ones > that > know > their functionality best (substitute "search team" by "some entity > with > knowledge of mediawiki's search abilities") According to Timo's > comment > it > seems that "?search" requests should be counted as true pageviews but > let us > know otherwise via phab ticket or this list. > Who does own it? > Thanks, > > Nuria > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) > <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Oliver Keyes, 02/12/2015 18:52: >>> >>> Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is >>> >>> >>> >>> https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553db… >> >> >> Context: >> >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Page_view/Archive_1#Parameter… >> >> Nemo >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Analytics mailing list >> Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > -- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics

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Oliver Keyes

6:13 p.m.

I have been informed MW Core no longer exists. Fair catch ;p. But this is software development, not Oprah - product ownership is not something under the seat of every audience member. Someone needs to actually own the definition. I don't mind if it's AnEng, Research, Readership, Search, whoever, but it being an unknown and undisclosed responsibility that falls on the shoulders of everyone is a really bad way of doing it. This is an organisational metric. Someone needs to own it. On 3 December 2015 at 13:11, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned simultaneously by everyone?

So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned simultaneously by everyone? On 3 December 2015 at 12:54, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

>Who does own it? On our opinion every team should own the definition of a pageview in their product right and when in doubt analytics or research can be involved to provide feedback on lessons learned. For example: who is best qualified than IOS team to decide what constitutes a page in the IOS app? With that in mind I have created a ticket to define what constitutes a Search pageview: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120249 Let me know what is a good discovery project to tag this ticket with so this ticket gets some visibility. Thanks, Nuria On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > > On 2 December 2015 at 15:38, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > >>It's true that MediaWiki supports search based solely on the ?search > >> query > >> parameter. Regardless of whether title=Special:Search is specified. > >>This is mostly for legacy reasons as search predates the concept of > >> special > >> pages. > >>However, would it make sense to instead count these as page views for > >> 'Special:Search'? > > > > One thing worth clarifying is that analytics team doesn't own the > > pageview > > definition (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view), we > > implement it to the best of our ability. Deciding what constitutes a > > pageview for search falls on the search team as they are the ones > > that > > know > > their functionality best (substitute "search team" by "some entity > > with > > knowledge of mediawiki's search abilities") According to Timo's > > comment > > it > > seems that "?search" requests should be counted as true pageviews but > > let us > > know otherwise via phab ticket or this list. > > > > Who does own it? > > > Thanks, > > > > Nuria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) > > <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Oliver Keyes, 02/12/2015 18:52: > >>> > >>> Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553db… > >> > >> > >> Context: > >> > >> > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Page_view/Archive_1#Parameter… > >> > >> Nemo > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Analytics mailing list > >> Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Analytics mailing list > > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Count Logula > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics

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Dan Andreescu

6:56 p.m.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...

We, Analytics, own the implementation of the Pageview Definition and the application of it in our data pipeline. We even own the discussions about the definition and we are happy to mediate between different teams (as is happening right now on this list). What we can't possibly own is the process that keeps the pageview definition up to date with the technical reality. Because to do that effectively we'd have to code review every line of code that changes how clients request data from our servers, and I think our team isn't big enough to do that even if we did it full time. So, we rely on our sister teams across WMF to surface changes to our request patterns and anomalies in how those get interpreted by the Pageview definition. We then rely on the owners of the code to make decisions in collaboration with the Research team about the pageview definition. We're then happy to implement those changes, test them and help the teams understand whether or not they've accomplished what they set out to do. An example, to be totally crystal clear. So the Android app team changed the way it was calling the API to get different pieces of a page. They reached out to us (awesome, thank you) and we brainstormed. We gave the Research team a heads up and a chance to comment, but there was no significant departure from how we handled link previews in the past, so we used that knowledge to move forward. We then implemented a new "preview" flag that's passed via X-Analytics, used it in our UDFs, and deployed everything. We think this is the perfect teamwork on issues like this, from an ownership perspective.

Oliver Keyes

7:15 p.m.

On 3 December 2015 at 13:56, Dan Andreescu <dandreescu(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Sure. But in that, the answer to "who owns this?" is Analytics. It's Analytics who reached out and made sure everyone had a voice, it's Analytics brainstorming, it's Analytics implementing it, it's Analytics publicly logging it. Again, ownership does not mean code reviewing everything or writing anything. It means making sure things get factored in. That seems to be what you're doing, here.

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Dan Andreescu

7:21 p.m.

...

To be clear, ownership also means taking responsibility for problems. And what we're saying is that if those problems arise because of changes in other teams' code bases, we don't own that.

Gabriel Wicke

7:22 p.m.

I have witnessed this discussion about what constitutes a page view repeatedly over the last months, and suspect that it is only going to get murkier the more interactive and non-navigation features we add. Some of these decisions are somewhat arbitrary, making the page view metric a less accurate indicator for the true engagement of users with our site. I think we should complement pageviews with a new metric that side-steps a binary 1/0 decision: Time on Site. I have written up some thoughts on this at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119352. Gabriel On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned simultaneously by everyone?

So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned simultaneously by everyone? On 3 December 2015 at 12:54, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: >>Who does own it? > On our opinion every team should own the definition of a pageview in > their > product right and when in doubt analytics or research can be involved to > provide feedback on lessons learned. > > For example: who is best qualified than IOS team to decide what > constitutes > a page in the IOS app? > > With that in mind I have created a ticket to define what constitutes a > Search pageview: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120249 > > Let me know what is a good discovery project to tag this ticket with so > this > ticket gets some visibility. > > Thanks, > > Nuria > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> > wrote: >> >> On 2 December 2015 at 15:38, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >>It's true that MediaWiki supports search based solely on the ?search >> >> query >> >> parameter. Regardless of whether title=Special:Search is specified. >> >>This is mostly for legacy reasons as search predates the concept of >> >> special >> >> pages. >> >>However, would it make sense to instead count these as page views for >> >> 'Special:Search'? >> > >> > One thing worth clarifying is that analytics team doesn't own the >> > pageview >> > definition (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view), we >> > implement it to the best of our ability. Deciding what constitutes a >> > pageview for search falls on the search team as they are the ones >> > that >> > know >> > their functionality best (substitute "search team" by "some entity >> > with >> > knowledge of mediawiki's search abilities") According to Timo's >> > comment >> > it >> > seems that "?search" requests should be counted as true pageviews but >> > let us >> > know otherwise via phab ticket or this list. >> > >> >> Who does own it? >> >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Nuria >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) >> > <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Oliver Keyes, 02/12/2015 18:52: >> >>> >> >>> Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553db… >> >> >> >> >> >> Context: >> >> >> >> >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Page_view/Archive_1#Parameter… >> >> >> >> Nemo >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Analytics mailing list >> >> Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Analytics mailing list >> > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Oliver Keyes >> Count Logula >> Wikimedia Foundation >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Analytics mailing list >> Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > -- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics

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Oliver Keyes

7:32 p.m.

A metric that is based on a draft RfC that was only created this year and depends on JS? I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest it has problems of its own ;p On 3 December 2015 at 14:22, Gabriel Wicke <gwicke(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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>So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is owned > simultaneously by everyone? Sure, just like mediawiki codebase is collectively own. Personally I do not see that as a problem and regardless I think it reflects reality, analytics team -as I mentioned before- doesn't have the knowledge or authority to "decide" what constitutes a search pageview without talking to the team/devs/community memebers that actually know how search works. On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > > So the pageview definition, one of our core organisational KPIs, is > owned simultaneously by everyone? > > On 3 December 2015 at 12:54, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > >>Who does own it? > > On our opinion every team should own the definition of a pageview in > > their > > product right and when in doubt analytics or research can be involved to > > provide feedback on lessons learned. > > > > For example: who is best qualified than IOS team to decide what > > constitutes > > a page in the IOS app? > > > > With that in mind I have created a ticket to define what constitutes a > > Search pageview: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T120249 > > > > Let me know what is a good discovery project to tag this ticket with so > > this > > ticket gets some visibility. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Nuria > > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> > > wrote: > >> > >> On 2 December 2015 at 15:38, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> >>It's true that MediaWiki supports search based solely on the ?search > >> >> query > >> >> parameter. Regardless of whether title=Special:Search is specified. > >> >>This is mostly for legacy reasons as search predates the concept of > >> >> special > >> >> pages. > >> >>However, would it make sense to instead count these as page views for > >> >> 'Special:Search'? > >> > > >> > One thing worth clarifying is that analytics team doesn't own the > >> > pageview > >> > definition (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view), we > >> > implement it to the best of our ability. Deciding what constitutes a > >> > pageview for search falls on the search team as they are the ones > >> > that > >> > know > >> > their functionality best (substitute "search team" by "some entity > >> > with > >> > knowledge of mediawiki's search abilities") According to Timo's > >> > comment > >> > it > >> > seems that "?search" requests should be counted as true pageviews but > >> > let us > >> > know otherwise via phab ticket or this list. > >> > > >> > >> Who does own it? > >> > >> > Thanks, > >> > > >> > Nuria > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) > >> > <nemowiki(a)gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Oliver Keyes, 02/12/2015 18:52: > >> >>> > >> >>> Via Brian Davis we find out the responsible patch is > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/commit/05e5da92553db… > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Context: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Page_view/Archive_1#Parameter… > >> >> > >> >> Nemo > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Analytics mailing list > >> >> Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Analytics mailing list > >> > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Oliver Keyes > >> Count Logula > >> Wikimedia Foundation > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Analytics mailing list > >> Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Analytics mailing list > > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Count Logula > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics

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Dan Andreescu

8:08 p.m.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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To be fair, WMF went from Zero to Pageview in 11.4 years, so I think we can cut new metrics some slack. Gabriel, I agree that if we want to keep measuring things [2], we should get better at measuring things. But this process of picking metrics is pretty hard. A good researcher picks a phenomenon, measures it in different ways, conducts controlled experiments, and then decides what measure tracks that phenomenon best. You can see examples of Aaron doing this [1]. [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiki_metrics.monthly_editor_counts.… [2] personally I'm like, why are we measuring all these things? Do we actually take actions that result in real value based on these measures?

Tilman Bayer

2 Dec 2 Dec

6:43 p.m.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Joseph Allemandou <jallemandou(a)wikimedia.org

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Food for thoughts: Regarding the "???.." entries below, see also

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117945 ; the list there shows the prevalence of the "-"s across languages, too. (I filed that ticked almost a month ago, without a reaction so far. I take it that for the purpose of getting the attention of Analytics engineers towards such widespread anomalies, this mailing list is a far better venue than Phabricator.)

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SELECT uri_host, uri_path, uri_query, COUNT(1) as c FROM wmf.webrequest WHERE webrequest_source IN ('text', 'mobile') AND <YEAR/MONTH/DAY/HOUR restricted> AND is_pageview AND pageview_info['page_title'] = '-' GROUP BY uri_host, uri_path, uri_query ORDER BY c DESC LIMIT 100; en.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 1986 fr.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Rechercher 476 ar.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB 461 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Calvary%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Brendan%20Gleeson%20%2B%202014&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 356 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=The%20Woman%20in%20Black%202%3A%20Angel%20of%20Death%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Jeremy%20Irvine%20%2B%202014&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 317 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??? 307 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???? 258 pt.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Pesquisar 253 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=We%20Are%20the%20Best%21%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Vanja%20Engstr%C3%B6m%20%2B%202013&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 207 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Manhattan%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20John%20Benjamin%20Hickey%20%2B%202015&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 200 es.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Buscar 162 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Angus,%20Thongs%20and%20Perfect%20Snogging%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Aaron%20Taylor-Johnson%20%2B%202008&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 145 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php 140 de.m.wikipedia.org /wiki ?search=Mordkommission%20BERLIN%201 139 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????? 134 en.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search= 120 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?? 117 ru.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=%D0%9D%D0%B0%D0%B9%D1%82%D0%B8 112 de.wikipedia.org /w/index.php 100 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??????? 93 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???? 93 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???????? 83 m.wikimediafoundation.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 82 fa.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=%D8%AC%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%AC%D9%88 82 zh.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??? 80 ar.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search&fulltext=%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB 77 zh.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???? 76 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????? 76 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????? 72 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????_?????? 69 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Once%20Upon%20a%20Time%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Ginnifer%20Goodwin%20%2B%202015&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 69 commons.m.wikimedia.org /wiki/ ?uselang=it 69 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=The%20Birdcage%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Robin%20Williams%20%2B%201996&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 68 commons.wikimedia.org /wiki/ ?uselang=it 66 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????_????? 63 de.m.wikipedia.org /wiki ?search=Helmar%20B%C3%BCchel 58 en.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search&fulltext=Search 56 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????_??????? 54 en.m.wikipedia.org /wiki ?search=%3Cnomatch%2F%3E 53 en.wikipedia.org / ?search=+ 53 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=We%20Are%20What%20We%20Are%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Vonia%20Arslanian%20%2B%202013&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 51 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?diff=693310399&oldid=662731788 50 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=We're%20the%20Millers%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Jason%20Sudeikis%20%2B%202013&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 48 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????_???? 48 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?diff=693310404&oldid=693207084 47 commons.m.wikimedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 44 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????_?????? 44 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????_??????? 43 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?do=/user/login/ 43 zh.wikipedia.org /zh-tw/ 43 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????_????? 42 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?diff=693313743&oldid=693310399 42 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????? 41 en.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=Mukamwezi.Com&fulltext=Search 41 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Marina%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Matteo%20Simoni%20%2B%202013&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 41 de.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Volltext 40 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????_???? 40 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?do=/blog/ 37 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ????????? 37 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Zurich%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Wende%20Snijders%20%2B%202015&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 37 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??????? 36 ar.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=%D8%B3%D9%83%D8%B3&fulltext=%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB 35 tr.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Ara 35 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Extraterrestre%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Juli%C3%A1n%20Villagr%C3%A1n%20%2B%202011&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 34 uk.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?curid=2070033 33 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???_????? 33 es.wikipedia.org /w/index.php 33 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???_???? 32 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=The%20Book%20Thief%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Sophie%20N%C3%A9lisse%20%2B%202013&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 32 en.wikipedia.org / ?search=Fn,..;;;: 31 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?do=/user/profile/ 31 de.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=Rtl+Deutschland 31 id.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Cari 30 de.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=Mordkommission+Berlin+1 30 de.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search= 30 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?do=/user/privacy/ 30 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Exodus%3A%20Gods%20and%20Kings%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Christian%20Bale%20%2B%202014&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 29 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??_?????? 28 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??? 28 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?????_???????? 27 en.wikipedia.org / ?curid=3392129 26 es.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search= 26 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Event%20Horizon%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Laurence%20Fishburne%20%2B%201997&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 26 en.m.wiktionary.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 25 meta.m.wikimedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 25 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ??????_???????? 24 ar.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ???????? 24 zh.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?%E6%9C%88? 24 sw.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Tafuta 24 de.m.wikipedia.org /wiki ?search=Mordkommission%20Berlin%201 24 en.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=xnxx+xnxx+xnxx 24 zh.wikipedia.org /wiki/ ?? 24 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Hart's%20War%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Bruce%20Willis%20%2B%202002&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 24 m.mediawiki.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Search 23 ja.wikipedia.org /wiki/ 23 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Selma%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20David%20Oyelowo%20%2B%202014&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 23 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=The%20Bridge%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Sofia%20Helin%20%2B%202011&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 23 en.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?redirs=0&search=Rob%20the%20Mob%20%2B%20Film%20%2B%20Michael%20Pitt%20%2B%202014&fulltext=Search&ns0=1 23 fr.wikipedia.org / ?search=+ 23 it.m.wikipedia.org /w/index.php ?search=&fulltext=Ricerca 22 Perhaps not a very big deal in case of "Mordkommission BERLIN", but in

general, search terms are considered <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/09/19/what-are-readers-looking-for-wikipedia-search-data-now-available/> private data. > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org

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> >> I mean, now I want to know how we can have a condition where there's >> no page title but it registers as a pageview. >> >> On 2 December 2015 at 12:14, Joseph Allemandou >> <jallemandou(a)wikimedia.org

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>> > Double checked: >> > >> https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/blob/master/refinery… >> > >> > This value is the default when no page title is found. >> > I agree it's not very explicit. >> > Any suggestion on changing it, or should we just make sure it is >> documented >> > ? >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> >

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>> >> >> >> Can someone dig into it? We should really be excluding that (unless it >> >> is the page on the dash ;p) >> >> >> >> On 2 December 2015 at 12:00, Dan Andreescu <dandreescu(a)wikimedia.org> >> >

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>> >> > I always wonder about that. There's also an actual page that could >> >> > theoretically be hit: >> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=-&redirect=no >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Gabriel Wicke <gwicke(a)wikimedia.org >> > >> >>

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>> >> >> >> >> >> Historically, I vaguely remember that we have used that title for >> user >> >> >> script / style loading with action=raw. I think that's gone from the >> >> >> skin code, but it's possible that user scripts still reference this >> >> >> title. >> >> >> >> >> >> Gabriel >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> >> >> >

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>> >> >> > One of the most prominent top articles has no page; it's "-". >> What is >> >> >> > this? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > Oliver Keyes >> >> >> > Count Logula >> >> >> > Wikimedia Foundation >> >> >> > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > Analytics mailing list >> >> >> > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Gabriel Wicke >> >> >> Principal Engineer, Wikimedia Foundation >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Analytics mailing list >> >> >> Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Analytics mailing list >> >> > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Oliver Keyes >> >> Count Logula >> >> Wikimedia Foundation >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Analytics mailing list >> >> Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Joseph Allemandou >> > Data Engineer @ Wikimedia Foundation >> > IRC: joal >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Analytics mailing list >> > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Oliver Keyes >> Count Logula >> Wikimedia Foundation >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Analytics mailing list >> Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> > > > > -- > *Joseph Allemandou* > Data Engineer @ Wikimedia Foundation > IRC: joal > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > -- Tilman Bayer Senior Analyst Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB

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I filed that ticked almost a month ago, without a reaction so far. I take

it that for the purpose of getting the attention of Analytics engineers towards such widespread anomalies, this mailing list is a far better venue than Phabricator. Not really, it just means that on the last month we had higher priority items to work on than this one. You can see our work in the last month here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/board/1030/query/all/ (scroll right to "done column", items on gray are the ones completed) On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Tilman Bayer <tbayer(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Joseph Allemandou < jallemandou(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Food for thoughts: Regarding the "???.." entries below, see also

general, search terms are considered <https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/09/19/what-are-readers-looking-for-wikipedia-search-data-now-available/> private data.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

I mean, now I want to know how we can have a condition where there's no page title but it registers as a pageview. On 2 December 2015 at 12:14, Joseph Allemandou <jallemandou(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Double checked:

https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery-source/blob/master/refinery…

This value is the default when no page title is found. I agree it's not very explicit. Any suggestion on changing it, or should we just make sure it is

documented

? On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 6:10 PM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org>

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gwicke(a)wikimedia.org>

> > wrote: > >> > >> Historically, I vaguely remember that we have used that title for

user

> >> script / style loading with action=raw. I think that's gone from

the

> >> skin code, but it's possible that user scripts still reference this > >> title. > >> > >> Gabriel > >> > >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Oliver Keyes <okeyes(a)wikimedia.org > >> wrote: > >> > One of the most prominent top articles has no page; it's "-".

What is

> >> > this? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Oliver Keyes > >> > Count Logula > >> > Wikimedia Foundation > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Analytics mailing list > >> > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Gabriel Wicke > >> Principal Engineer, Wikimedia Foundation > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Analytics mailing list > >> Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Analytics mailing list > > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Count Logula > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics -- Joseph Allemandou Data Engineer @ Wikimedia Foundation IRC: joal _______________________________________________ Analytics mailing list Analytics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics

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