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[mailto:glam-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] Per conto di Maarten Zeinstra
Inviato: giovedì 24 gennaio 2013 12.19
A: Wikimedia & GLAM collaboration [Public]
Oggetto: Re: [GLAM] Wiki GLAM Toolset project
Hi Ed,
Thanks for all the questions. I will pass these questions on to our lead
developer. He will probably be able to answer them better than I can.
We are also collaborating with the Wikimedia Analytics team on our second
goal and I am currently writing a requirements documents for them. If you
have any specific needs for your institution I will be happy to take them
into consideration. Throw me an off the list mail if you have any
suggestions on that.
Cheers,
Maarten Zeinstra
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On Jan 24, 2013, at 12:04 , Ed Summers <ehs(a)pobox.com> wrote:
So if you are able to use the Commons API to upload
materials from the
GlamWiki Toolset to the Commons it could be written using any Web
framework correct? I guess I'm just wondering if you are constraining
yourself a little bit too much by limiting the development to being
done as a MediaWiki plugin. If you develop your project as a Mediawiki
plugin, I imagine that the more you tailor it to GLAM institutions,
the less likely it will be deployed on the commons, since that
environment isn't just about GLAMs. But maybe I am being overly
pessimistic?
Does the Wikimedia Labs environment prescribe or strongly encourage
you to use Mediawiki as a framework? Are they unwilling to deploy Web
applications that are deployed using different technologies, e.g.
Rails, Django, etc. Or do some people involved in the GlamWiki Toolset
project have a lot of experience developing with MediaWiki, so that is
their preference?
I guess I was thinking a stand alone application that talked to the
commons via the API would be easier to tailor to the GLAM community,
without worrying about the politics of getting it deployed. But
perhaps you need to do things that aren't possible via the API?
Sorry for all the questions, I work as a software developer at the
Library of Congress in the United States, and I definitely see the
need for what you are trying to do. In particular the statistics
gathering functionality that I saw outlined at [1] would of great use.
//Ed
[1]
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:GLAMToolset_project#Goal_2:_Report
_on_requirements_for_usage_and_re-usage_statistics_for_GLAM_content
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Maarten Zeinstra <mz(a)kl.nl> wrote:
> Hi Ed,
>
> This is as of yet unsure.
>
> We are now developing on Wikimedia labs and use the architecture of an
extension. This extension will either keep on running on WIkimediaLabs and
use Commons' API to upload materials or run as an extension on Wikimedia
Commons. Our team is aiming for the latter. However this is something that
the sysadmins of Commons need to approve. This also a reason why we are
looking for more eyes on the project. To ensure the quality of our code and
avoid any possible security risks.
>
> Does this answer your question?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Maarten
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2013, at 11:24 , Ed Summers <ehs(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, by "Wikimedia instance" I of course meant "Mediawiki
instance"
:-)
>>
>> //Ed
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:23 AM, Ed Summers <ehs(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>>> I guess I'm confused about the expected deployment of the GLAM
>>> Toolset. Is the idea that the plugins you develop will be deployed on
>>> the commons? Or will the GLAM Toolset be deployed in a separate
>>> Wikimedia instance, and then (somehow) the data will be migrated from
>>> it to the commons? Or something else entirely?
>>>
>>> //Ed
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Maarten Zeinstra <mz(a)kl.nl> wrote:
>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>
>>>> The short answer is no.
>>>>
>>>> Mass uploading files from cultural institutions has always been a
tailor
>>>> made process. Most of it thanks to the
work of Maarten Dammers/
Multichill.
>>>> We are now seeing that more and more
cultural institution want to add
parts
>>>> of their collection online which makes
this original process not
manageable.
>>>> This is mainly because there are
different standards used within
WIkimedia
>>>> Commons and within the cultural
institution. This project tries to
solve
>>>> that project by giving an interface
for these institution to upload
data and
>>>> map their internal standard to the
standard that Wikimedia Commons
uses.
>>>> Also it gives these institutions the
option to do it without much
assistance
>>>> from a Wikipedian, which speeds things
up in the long run.
>>>>
>>>> Does this answer your question?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Maarten Zeinstra
>>>> Project member of the Wiki GLAM Toolset project
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 24, 2013, at 3:42 , Ed Summers <ehs(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is it not possible to upload metadata via the API?
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 23, 2013, Maarten Dammers wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>>
>>>>> Op 23-1-2013 11:14, Ed Summers schreef:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the update. I was wondering why you need to develop
this
>>>>>> new functionality as a mediawiki extension. Is there not enough
>>>>>> functionality in the commons Web API [1]? Or is the plan to
create
>>>>>> plugins that will be deployed on commons.wikimedia.org?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not about uploading large amounts of images (that's
easy), but
it's
>>>>> about uploading it with metadata
properly sorted out.
>>>>> For this handling of metadata the extension will be the interface.
Please
to get
>>>>> an idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope that that answers your question,
>>>>>
>>>>> Maarten
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> //Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Geer Oskam
<Geer.Oskam(a)kb.nl>
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you might have heard Wikimedia Nederland, Wikimedia UK,
Wikimedia
>>>>>>> France
>>>>>>> and Europeana are collaborating to provide a set of tools to
get
>>>>>>> material
>>>>>>> from GLAM institutions onto Wikimedia Commons. The Wiki GLAM
Toolset has
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be created in a way that re-use can easily be tracked, and
that
Commons
>>>>>>> materials can easily be
integrated back into the collection of the
>>>>>>> original
>>>>>>> GLAM. You can find more about our the Wiki GLAM Toolset on
our
project
>>>>>>> page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Currently we are looking for developers who can help us in
this
process,
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> you are interested please let us know. You can find more
specific
>>>>>>> information about our needs on our discussion page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Geer Oskam
>>>>>>>
www.europeana.eu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phone: +31 (0)70 31 40 972
>>>>>>> Email: geer.oskam(a)kb.nl
>>>>>>> Skype: GeerOskam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Over 20 million cultural records for re-use via Europeana
API: find
out
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> and register for an API-key on
http://bit.ly/Reuse_API
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