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[mailto:glam-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] Per conto di Ed Summers
Inviato: giovedì 24 gennaio 2013 12.21
A: Wikimedia & GLAM collaboration [Public]
Oggetto: Re: [GLAM] Wiki GLAM Toolset project
But if you develop the Glamwiki-Toolset as a Mediawiki plugin aren't you
constrained in the same way by HTML5/JS? I'm not suggesting that you develop
an in-browser-application (all HTML/JS) that does all the work, but rather
that you might want to consider using *any* web framework for building your
application, and using the Commons API for data integration. But if you have
a lot of experience developing for Mediawiki, perhaps that's your framework
of choice, which is fine.
//Ed
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Magnus Manske <magnusmanske(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
At this moment in time, uploading massive amounts of
files through a
HTML5/JS interface might not be practical. Especially resuming such an
operation if it is "hard-paused" (as in, the web page is closed) would
be challenging. Modern browsers can store the meta-data locally, but
the link to the files on disk might be lost.
That said, it would be feasible now using a staging area such as labs
or the toolserver. And file APIs are improving constantly.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Ed Summers <ehs(a)pobox.com> wrote:
>
> So if you are able to use the Commons API to upload materials from
> the GlamWiki Toolset to the Commons it could be written using any Web
> framework correct? I guess I'm just wondering if you are constraining
> yourself a little bit too much by limiting the development to being
> done as a MediaWiki plugin. If you develop your project as a
> Mediawiki plugin, I imagine that the more you tailor it to GLAM
> institutions, the less likely it will be deployed on the commons,
> since that environment isn't just about GLAMs. But maybe I am being
> overly pessimistic?
>
> Does the Wikimedia Labs environment prescribe or strongly encourage
> you to use Mediawiki as a framework? Are they unwilling to deploy Web
> applications that are deployed using different technologies, e.g.
> Rails, Django, etc. Or do some people involved in the GlamWiki
> Toolset project have a lot of experience developing with MediaWiki,
> so that is their preference?
>
> I guess I was thinking a stand alone application that talked to the
> commons via the API would be easier to tailor to the GLAM community,
> without worrying about the politics of getting it deployed. But
> perhaps you need to do things that aren't possible via the API?
>
> Sorry for all the questions, I work as a software developer at the
> Library of Congress in the United States, and I definitely see the
> need for what you are trying to do. In particular the statistics
> gathering functionality that I saw outlined at [1] would of great use.
>
> //Ed
>
> [1]
>
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:GLAMToolset_project#Goal_2:
> _Report_on_requirements_for_usage_and_re-usage_statistics_for_GLAM_co
> ntent
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Maarten Zeinstra <mz(a)kl.nl> wrote:
> > Hi Ed,
> >
> > This is as of yet unsure.
> >
> > We are now developing on Wikimedia labs and use the architecture of
> > an extension. This extension will either keep on running on
> > WIkimediaLabs and use Commons' API to upload materials or run as an
> > extension on Wikimedia Commons. Our team is aiming for the latter.
> > However this is something that the sysadmins of Commons need to
> > approve. This also a reason why we are looking for more eyes on the
> > project. To ensure the quality of our code and avoid any possible
security
risks.
> >
> > Does this answer your question?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Maarten
> >
> >
> > On Jan 24, 2013, at 11:24 , Ed Summers <ehs(a)pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry, by "Wikimedia instance" I of course meant "Mediawiki
instance"
> >> :-)
> >>
> >> //Ed
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:23 AM, Ed Summers <ehs(a)pobox.com> wrote:
> >>> I guess I'm confused about the expected deployment of the GLAM
> >>> Toolset. Is the idea that the plugins you develop will be
> >>> deployed on the commons? Or will the GLAM Toolset be deployed in
> >>> a separate Wikimedia instance, and then (somehow) the data will
> >>> be migrated from it to the commons? Or something else entirely?
> >>>
> >>> //Ed
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Maarten Zeinstra <mz(a)kl.nl>
wrote:
> >>>> Hi Ed,
> >>>>
> >>>> The short answer is no.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mass uploading files from cultural institutions has always been
> >>>> a tailor made process. Most of it thanks to the work of Maarten
> >>>> Dammers/ Multichill.
> >>>> We are now seeing that more and more cultural institution want
> >>>> to add parts of their collection online which makes this
> >>>> original process not manageable.
> >>>> This is mainly because there are different standards used within
> >>>> WIkimedia Commons and within the cultural institution. This
> >>>> project tries to solve that project by giving an interface for
> >>>> these institution to upload data and map their internal standard
> >>>> to the standard that Wikimedia Commons uses.
> >>>> Also it gives these institutions the option to do it without
> >>>> much assistance from a Wikipedian, which speeds things up in the
> >>>> long run.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does this answer your question?
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> Maarten Zeinstra
> >>>> Project member of the Wiki GLAM Toolset project
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 24, 2013, at 3:42 , Ed Summers <ehs(a)pobox.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Is it not possible to upload metadata via the API?
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wednesday, January 23, 2013, Maarten Dammers wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Ed,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Op 23-1-2013 11:14, Ed Summers schreef:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for the update. I was wondering why you need to
develop
> >>>>>> this new functionality as a mediawiki extension. Is there
not
> >>>>>> enough functionality in the commons Web API [1]? Or is the
> >>>>>> plan to create plugins that will be deployed on
commons.wikimedia.org?
>>>
>>> It's not about uploading large amounts of images (that's easy),
>>> but it's about uploading it with metadata properly sorted out.
>>> For this handling of metadata the extension will be the interface.
>>> Please
>>> take a look at the sprint demo's at
>>>
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:GLAMwiki_toolset_pro
>>> ject
>>> to get
>>> an idea.
>>>
>>> Hope that that answers your question,
>>>
>>> Maarten
>>>
>>>>
>>>> //Ed
>>>>
>>>> [1]
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Geer Oskam <Geer.Oskam(a)kb.nl>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As you might have heard Wikimedia Nederland, Wikimedia UK,
>>>>> Wikimedia France and Europeana are collaborating to provide a
>>>>> set of tools to get material from GLAM institutions onto
>>>>> Wikimedia Commons. The Wiki GLAM Toolset has to be created in
>>>>> a way that re-use can easily be tracked, and that Commons
>>>>> materials can easily be integrated back into the collection
>>>>> of the original GLAM. You can find more about our the Wiki
>>>>> GLAM Toolset on our project page.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently we are looking for developers who can help us in
>>>>> this process, if you are interested please let us know. You
>>>>> can find more specific information about our needs on our
>>>>> discussion page.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Geer Oskam
>>>>>
www.europeana.eu
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone: +31 (0)70 31 40 972
>>>>> Email: geer.oskam(a)kb.nl
>>>>> Skype: GeerOskam
>>>>>
>>>>> Over 20 million cultural records for re-use via Europeana API:
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>>>>> more
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