Hi Lisette and Teresa
Congratulations on a great campaign and thanks for sharing it on this
list! I really like the approach and am very curious about the forthcoming
case studies.
I appreciate that you set expectations right ("EU copyright reform won’t
fix it all.") and give best practice examples of norms that are actually in
effect.
Best,
Jan
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On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Teresa Nobre <
teresaraposonobre(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Raul,
If you wait 2 more days, you can read the 10-page report that I
prepared on the Portuguese study.
As you will see, public interiors is not an issue in Portugal, because
we have a broad definition of public space elsewhere in the Portuguese
Copyright Code. The fact that this is a relatively abstract norm (with a
wording very similar to the InfoSoc), only raises interpretation issues
with regards to the purposes. But the fact that the norm doesn't exclude a
priory commercial purposes can only be seen as a positive thing. The rest
of the concepts (e.g. "use", "works") are defined in other norms, so
they
are not vague at all.
Thanks,
Teresa
2016-06-06 15:01 GMT+01:00 Raul Veede <raul.veede(a)gmail.com>om>:
> Well, Estonian FoP was today discussed in the Parliamentary Committee
> of Culture, and we're hoping to present the case in the Committee of
> European Affairs in close days.
>
> The Portuguese scenario has at least three weaknesses I can identify
> (I've written about it in short in a comment on your blog post, and in
> length to Teresa Nobre personally; to count quickly, it leaves unclear the
> situations with public interiors and several types of works, and prescribes
> provisions so vague that every politician would be proud to include such
> language in their election program) and if it were adopted in Estonia, we
> would actually lose some territory that is currently covered by NC FoP and
> by the draft bill I wrote would become also free commercially.
>
> So please excuse me but we're in a bit of a hurry here yet would still
> be greatly interested in reasons for going backwards.
>
> Also, my experience shows it is hard to get Communia to respond to
> anything. You don't exactly try to communicate with people who comment on
> your blog or FB, and your posts have a constant lack of references and
> analysis. If you're saying you are recommending the best scenarios without
> having any analysis to back up your recommendations yet, it sounds,
> unfortunately, believable. Care to disprove my cynicism?
>
> All the best,
>
> Raul
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Lisette Kalshoven <lk(a)kl.nl> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Raul,
>>
>> The supporting documents (with full legal analysis) will be published
>> when we share the individual scenario’s over the next 3-4 weeks. This is
>> just us announcing the series. So stay tuned :)
>>
>> With kind regards
>>
>> Lisette
>>
>> --
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>>
>> On 06 Jun 2016, at 15:46, Raul Veede <raul.veede(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Your proposal of the Portuguese scenario as a good example for
>> adopting across Europe made me wondering what might be the reasoning
>> behind that. In the piece published today you only count the examples but
>> do not offer any analysis, proof, or legal reasons. Would you be so nice
>> and expand it beyond pure rhetorics?
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Raul
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Lisette Kalshoven <lk(a)kl.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>>
>>> Today at Communia we’re launching the Best Case Scenarios for
>>> Copyright <http://www.communia-association.org/bcs-copyright/> series,
>>> to promote great solutions such as user-friendly copyright limitations.
>>> They work in some EU countries and we want to talk about making them (and
>>> other good ones) mandatory for the whole EU. It would be great if you could
>>> promote the message via social media and any other communication with your
>>> partners.
>>>
>>> Today we introduce the idea for the campaign and on Wednesday we
>>> will publish the first case. Today’s post may be found here
>>> <http://www.communia-association.org/2016/06/06/bcs-copyright/> and
>>> Communia TT is here
>>> <https://twitter.com/communia_eu/status/739782579952443392>.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Lisette Kalshoven
>>>
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