Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

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Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

T13

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From:"L235 Wikipedia" lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com Date:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 18:40 Subject:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion.   Can someone give me a step by step?  I’m horrible with linux servers.  That’s why we have Elee. :p

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of L235 Wikipedia Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 6:35 PM To: Discussion list for xTools

Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p  On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.



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For now, I don't have the ability to change anything since I'm mobile.  We should at least discuss it in the admin list.  L235, what are your Linux/PHP/JavaScript/general website design qualifications and experiences?  That'll help the discussion.  Thanks.  T13

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From:"L235 Wikipedia" lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com Date:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 18:46 Subject:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II technical_13@yahoo.com wrote:

Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

T13

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From:"L235 Wikipedia" lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com Date:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 18:40

Subject:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion.   Can someone give me a step by step?  I’m horrible with linux servers.  That’s why we have Elee. :p

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Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p  On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.



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Cyberpower, without screenshots and/or logs, I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with PuTTY though because I mainly use GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems with native ssh.

T13, my "qualifications and experiences" are basically "I read stuff on the Internet and I tinker and optimize on my small cluster"; nothing professionally.

L235 (mobile)

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','maximilian.doerr@gmail.com');> wrote:

I’d still prefer a discussion. I haven’t revoked yet because I don’t want to be a dick. As for SSHing in, I followed the instructions and keep getting “Server unexpectedly closed network connection”

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:46 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II < technical_13@yahoo.com> wrote:

Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

T13

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*From*:"L235 Wikipedia" lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com *Date*:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 18:40

*Subject*:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

Cyberpower678

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:35 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools

*Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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So you’re saying you have Linux experience?

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of L235 Wikipedia Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 7:10 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Actually, I suppose I did work on production on a project called the "Orion Belt Coalition", which was a cryptocurrency-related project (and is now down), but I only spent about 30 hours working on that, and a lot of that time was cursing some sysadmins who had decided to use Windows Server for some parts of it instead of a nice Ubuntu LAMP stack or similar. And I also designed some other stuff for cryptocurrency, etc, but that didn't have too much to do with PHP/JavaScript.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, L235 Wikipedia lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:

Cyberpower, without screenshots and/or logs, I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with PuTTY though because I mainly use GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems with native ssh.

T13, my "qualifications and experiences" are basically "I read stuff on the Internet and I tinker and optimize on my small cluster"; nothing professionally.

L235 (mobile)

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’d still prefer a discussion. I haven’t revoked yet because I don’t want to be a dick. As for SSHing in, I followed the instructions and keep getting “Server unexpectedly closed network connection”

Cyberpower678

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of L235 Wikipedia Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 6:46 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II technical_13@yahoo.com wrote:

Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

T13

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From:"L235 Wikipedia" lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com Date:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 18:40

Subject:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

Cyberpower678

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of L235 Wikipedia Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 6:35 PM To: Discussion list for xTools

Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

Cyberpower678

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jonatan Svensson Glad Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 6:31 PM To: xtools@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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Cyberpower, yes. No formal training, but I'm decent.

Folks, you need to connect to bastion *first*, and then connect to xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs. You can't SSH to the webservers directly; that is a gigantic security risk.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:28 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I can't connect either ftr.

See attached screenshot. On Jun 29, 2015 7:16 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

...

So you’re saying you have Linux experience?

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 7:10 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Actually, I suppose I did work on production on a project called the "Orion Belt Coalition", which was a cryptocurrency-related project (and is now down), but I only spent about 30 hours working on that, and a lot of that time was cursing some sysadmins who had decided to use Windows Server for some parts of it instead of a nice Ubuntu LAMP stack or similar. And I also designed some other stuff for cryptocurrency, etc, but that didn't have too much to do with PHP/JavaScript.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:

Cyberpower, without screenshots and/or logs, I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with PuTTY though because I mainly use GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems with native ssh.

T13, my "qualifications and experiences" are basically "I read stuff on the Internet and I tinker and optimize on my small cluster"; nothing professionally.

L235 (mobile)

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’d still prefer a discussion. I haven’t revoked yet because I don’t want to be a dick. As for SSHing in, I followed the instructions and keep getting “Server unexpectedly closed network connection”

Cyberpower678

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:46 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II < technical_13@yahoo.com> wrote:

Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

T13

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*From*:"L235 Wikipedia" lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com *Date*:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 18:40

*Subject*:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

Cyberpower678

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:35 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools

*Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

Cyberpower678

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Jonatan Svensson Glad *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:31 PM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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ShoeMaker, what client were you using, and can you take a screenshot of the configuration? Thanks.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:37 PM, L235 Wikipedia <lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com

wrote:

Er, sorry; don't listen to me.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:35 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Cyberpower, yes. No formal training, but I'm decent.

Folks, you need to connect to bastion *first*, and then connect to xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs. You can't SSH to the webservers directly; that is a gigantic security risk.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:28 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I can't connect either ftr.

See attached screenshot. On Jun 29, 2015 7:16 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

...

So you’re saying you have Linux experience?

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Actually, I suppose I did work on production on a project called the "Orion Belt Coalition", which was a cryptocurrency-related project (and is now down), but I only spent about 30 hours working on that, and a lot of that time was cursing some sysadmins who had decided to use Windows Server for some parts of it instead of a nice Ubuntu LAMP stack or similar. And I also designed some other stuff for cryptocurrency, etc, but that didn't have too much to do with PHP/JavaScript.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:

Cyberpower, without screenshots and/or logs, I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with PuTTY though because I mainly use GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems with native ssh.

T13, my "qualifications and experiences" are basically "I read stuff on the Internet and I tinker and optimize on my small cluster"; nothing professionally.

L235 (mobile)

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’d still prefer a discussion. I haven’t revoked yet because I don’t want to be a dick. As for SSHing in, I followed the instructions and keep getting “Server unexpectedly closed network connection”

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T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II < technical_13@yahoo.com> wrote:

Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

T13

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Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

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Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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It's a client for my android phone called connectBot and I can use it to connect to toollabs and wm-bot. Don't like that it'll be a pain to connect to our new instance. T13 On Jun 29, 2015 8:38 PM, "L235 Wikipedia" lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:

ShoeMaker, what client were you using, and can you take a screenshot of the configuration? Thanks.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:37 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Er, sorry; don't listen to me.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:35 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:

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Cyberpower, yes. No formal training, but I'm decent.

Folks, you need to connect to bastion *first*, and then connect to xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs. You can't SSH to the webservers directly; that is a gigantic security risk.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:28 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

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I can't connect either ftr.

See attached screenshot. On Jun 29, 2015 7:16 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

...

So you’re saying you have Linux experience?

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Actually, I suppose I did work on production on a project called the "Orion Belt Coalition", which was a cryptocurrency-related project (and is now down), but I only spent about 30 hours working on that, and a lot of that time was cursing some sysadmins who had decided to use Windows Server for some parts of it instead of a nice Ubuntu LAMP stack or similar. And I also designed some other stuff for cryptocurrency, etc, but that didn't have too much to do with PHP/JavaScript.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:

Cyberpower, without screenshots and/or logs, I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with PuTTY though because I mainly use GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems with native ssh.

T13, my "qualifications and experiences" are basically "I read stuff on the Internet and I tinker and optimize on my small cluster"; nothing professionally.

L235 (mobile)

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’d still prefer a discussion. I haven’t revoked yet because I don’t want to be a dick. As for SSHing in, I followed the instructions and keep getting “Server unexpectedly closed network connection”

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T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II < technical_13@yahoo.com> wrote:

Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

T13

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*From*:"L235 Wikipedia" lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com *Date*:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 18:40

*Subject*:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

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*Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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T13, you definitely can't connect to "xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs" directly. At a high level, you connect to the open-to-the-internet host at bastion.wmflabs.org, and that is a server behind the WMFLabs firewall that has permissions to connect to the webservers. I don't personally use that client, but https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access provides good advice, and someone in #wikimedia-labs can provide you with specifics.

Cyberpower, that is understood, though I'm not certain what I'm being voted in for. I'm fine with being a maintainer, but I don't plan on writing code or doing much like that; I can administrate servers if needed but I'd like to mainly observe and suggest; I also will likely "abstain" on almost all votes/etc.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

I vote to add L235, provided L235 honors that we operate on a consensus here too. All major changes should be discussed, including adding or expelling maintainers.

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Cyberpower, yes. No formal training, but I'm decent.

Folks, you need to connect to bastion *first*, and then connect to xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs. You can't SSH to the webservers directly; that is a gigantic security risk.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:28 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I can't connect either ftr.

See attached screenshot.

On Jun 29, 2015 7:16 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

So you’re saying you have Linux experience?

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Actually, I suppose I did work on production on a project called the "Orion Belt Coalition", which was a cryptocurrency-related project (and is now down), but I only spent about 30 hours working on that, and a lot of that time was cursing some sysadmins who had decided to use Windows Server for some parts of it instead of a nice Ubuntu LAMP stack or similar. And I also designed some other stuff for cryptocurrency, etc, but that didn't have too much to do with PHP/JavaScript.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:

Cyberpower, without screenshots and/or logs, I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with PuTTY though because I mainly use GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems with native ssh.

T13, my "qualifications and experiences" are basically "I read stuff on the Internet and I tinker and optimize on my small cluster"; nothing professionally.

L235 (mobile)

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’d still prefer a discussion. I haven’t revoked yet because I don’t want to be a dick. As for SSHing in, I followed the instructions and keep getting “Server unexpectedly closed network connection”

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T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II < technical_13@yahoo.com> wrote:

Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

T13

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*Subject*:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

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*Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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Ah okay so it looks like I've taken an extended cat nap at the wrong time.

1. Correct Max buddy. 2. Joseve05a, what are you doing? :^) 3. L235 - no worries, I knew you'd do that and I'm not worried about you. I'd like to see how xtools run first round when T13 (?) wrenches the existing codebase into shape. I think it'll be a better idea to deploy amongst 4 m1.mediums and load balance amongst them. 4. Joseve05a, make a less messy signature =] 5. Yeah Max, of course it is! xtools has been down for so long. 6. You're in bastion with your keys thanks to your client but you can't get into an instance because "keys are difficult if you've never used them before". Please see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access, and especially take a good look at using ProxyCommand. This is why people prefer a sane OS like OS X or any nix variant. GUIs are just... messy. =] 7. T13, remember! There's a reply-all button that we all love to use. =] 8. Yes, standard ports all around. 9. L235, I'm okay with you sticking around. It's also nice to have level-headed and adept outsiders take a good look for sanity checks. 10. Max buddy, you're not properly using your keys to access the instance. 11. ... What? Who's ShoeMaker Royality? That's... a pretty interesting name to use. I've yet to encounter "royality". Nice username though. 12. T13 - use an ssh client that supports keys, and look into ProxyCommand or agent forwarding. The latter is a Bad Idea, especially if you're using labs keys for other things. 13. T13 - sure, one could always port forward port 22. It would be quite unwise of you to do that, especially in a production environment like labs. When properly done, the security afforded is worth the pain. For Labs, it is. 14. Max, I think you're the only one debating L235's stay =] 15. L235 is right. Do you know the definition of the word bastion? Think of it as a... VPN server, for lack of a better phrase.

fin.

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

We need plenty of server maintainers and code maintainers. In case Elee is absent, someone else can step in if need be.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 8:57 PM

*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, you definitely can't connect to "xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs" directly. At a high level, you connect to the open-to-the-internet host at bastion.wmflabs.org, and that is a server behind the WMFLabs firewall that has permissions to connect to the webservers. I don't personally use that client, but https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access provides good advice, and someone in #wikimedia-labs can provide you with specifics.

Cyberpower, that is understood, though I'm not certain what I'm being voted in for. I'm fine with being a maintainer, but I don't plan on writing code or doing much like that; I can administrate servers if needed but I'd like to mainly observe and suggest; I also will likely "abstain" on almost all votes/etc.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

I vote to add L235, provided L235 honors that we operate on a consensus here too. All major changes should be discussed, including adding or expelling maintainers.

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*Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 8:35 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, yes. No formal training, but I'm decent.

Folks, you need to connect to bastion *first*, and then connect to xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs. You can't SSH to the webservers directly; that is a gigantic security risk.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:28 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I can't connect either ftr.

See attached screenshot.

On Jun 29, 2015 7:16 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

So you’re saying you have Linux experience?

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 7:10 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Actually, I suppose I did work on production on a project called the "Orion Belt Coalition", which was a cryptocurrency-related project (and is now down), but I only spent about 30 hours working on that, and a lot of that time was cursing some sysadmins who had decided to use Windows Server for some parts of it instead of a nice Ubuntu LAMP stack or similar. And I also designed some other stuff for cryptocurrency, etc, but that didn't have too much to do with PHP/JavaScript.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:

Cyberpower, without screenshots and/or logs, I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with PuTTY though because I mainly use GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems with native ssh.

T13, my "qualifications and experiences" are basically "I read stuff on the Internet and I tinker and optimize on my small cluster"; nothing professionally.

L235 (mobile)

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’d still prefer a discussion. I haven’t revoked yet because I don’t want to be a dick. As for SSHing in, I followed the instructions and keep getting “Server unexpectedly closed network connection”

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:46 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II < technical_13@yahoo.com> wrote:

Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

T13

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*From*:"L235 Wikipedia" lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com *Date*:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 18:40

*Subject*:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:35 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools

*Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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I’ll see if I can get around to it later today or tomorrow. These tools, especially articleinfo, need to get back up.

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:39 AM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

I'll work on tools code in a couple weeks. Just too busy with midterms right now.

On the topic of signatures, I generally dislike them... period. I know my mobile clients add one, and it's not worth the effort to make those go away and I wouldn't expect others to for that kind of one liner.

I still don't understand networking and linux very well either. I took a class, so can kinda get around inside, but don't know much about what everything is or how things work. Would love to learn more, but I need small chunks for each thing and practice.

I do use reply all. There were a couple messages I intentionally sent to just certain people, and I'm not upset they replied to the group quoting.

I'm ShoeMaker (http://ddowiki.com/page/User:ShoeMaker - http://enwp.org/User:ShoeMaker)

I'll have to look more into ConnectBot on that. I use PuTTY on my home computer, and that'll be fine.

Max isn't the only one. I have my reservations as well. My biggest issue was that it wasn't discussed first and isn't following our protocol. I'm also hesitant with the lack of experience. Need to think about it more.

Anyways, coffee time. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 4:36 AM, "Eugene Lee" leee@mit.edu wrote:

Ah okay so it looks like I've taken an extended cat nap at the wrong time.

1. Correct Max buddy.

2. Joseve05a, what are you doing? :^)

3. L235 - no worries, I knew you'd do that and I'm not worried about you. I'd like to see how xtools run first round when T13 (?) wrenches the existing codebase into shape. I think it'll be a better idea to deploy amongst 4 m1.mediums and load balance amongst them.

4. Joseve05a, make a less messy signature =]

5. Yeah Max, of course it is! xtools has been down for so long.

6. You're in bastion with your keys thanks to your client but you can't get into an instance because "keys are difficult if you've never used them before". Please see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access, and especially take a good look at using ProxyCommand. This is why people prefer a sane OS like OS X or any nix variant. GUIs are just... messy. =]

7. T13, remember! There's a reply-all button that we all love to use. =]

8. Yes, standard ports all around.

9. L235, I'm okay with you sticking around. It's also nice to have level-headed and adept outsiders take a good look for sanity checks.

10. Max buddy, you're not properly using your keys to access the instance.

11. ... What? Who's ShoeMaker Royality? That's... a pretty interesting name to use. I've yet to encounter "royality". Nice username though.

12. T13 - use an ssh client that supports keys, and look into ProxyCommand or agent forwarding. The latter is a Bad Idea, especially if you're using labs keys for other things.

13. T13 - sure, one could always port forward port 22. It would be quite unwise of you to do that, especially in a production environment like labs. When properly done, the security afforded is worth the pain. For Labs, it is.

14. Max, I think you're the only one debating L235's stay =]

15. L235 is right. Do you know the definition of the word bastion? Think of it as a... VPN server, for lack of a better phrase.

fin.

--leee

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

We need plenty of server maintainers and code maintainers. In case Elee is absent, someone else can step in if need be.

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of L235 Wikipedia Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 8:57 PM

To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, you definitely can't connect to "xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs" directly. At a high level, you connect to the open-to-the-internet host at bastion.wmflabs.org, and that is a server behind the WMFLabs firewall that has permissions to connect to the webservers. I don't personally use that client, but https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access provides good advice, and someone in #wikimedia-labs can provide you with specifics.

Cyberpower, that is understood, though I'm not certain what I'm being voted in for. I'm fine with being a maintainer, but I don't plan on writing code or doing much like that; I can administrate servers if needed but I'd like to mainly observe and suggest; I also will likely "abstain" on almost all votes/etc.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I vote to add L235, provided L235 honors that we operate on a consensus here too. All major changes should be discussed, including adding or expelling maintainers.

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of L235 Wikipedia

Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 8:35 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, yes. No formal training, but I'm decent.

Folks, you need to connect to bastion first, and then connect to xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs. You can't SSH to the webservers directly; that is a gigantic security risk.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:28 PM, ShoeMaker Royality legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com wrote:

I can't connect either ftr.

See attached screenshot.

On Jun 29, 2015 7:16 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

So you’re saying you have Linux experience?

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of L235 Wikipedia Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 7:10 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Actually, I suppose I did work on production on a project called the "Orion Belt Coalition", which was a cryptocurrency-related project (and is now down), but I only spent about 30 hours working on that, and a lot of that time was cursing some sysadmins who had decided to use Windows Server for some parts of it instead of a nice Ubuntu LAMP stack or similar. And I also designed some other stuff for cryptocurrency, etc, but that didn't have too much to do with PHP/JavaScript.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, L235 Wikipedia lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:

Cyberpower, without screenshots and/or logs, I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with PuTTY though because I mainly use GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems with native ssh.

T13, my "qualifications and experiences" are basically "I read stuff on the Internet and I tinker and optimize on my small cluster"; nothing professionally.

L235 (mobile)

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’d still prefer a discussion. I haven’t revoked yet because I don’t want to be a dick. As for SSHing in, I followed the instructions and keep getting “Server unexpectedly closed network connection”

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of L235 Wikipedia Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 6:46 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II technical_13@yahoo.com wrote:

Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

T13

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From:"L235 Wikipedia" lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com Date:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 18:40

Subject:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of L235 Wikipedia Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 6:35 PM To: Discussion list for xTools

Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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I'd like see us break most all of it up into appropriate modules. I want each component broken up into the smallest reusable chunk possible to make it simple to debug. Yes, stating the obvious - that's not always bad. Anyways. I'll add more when I have time. T13 On Jun 30, 2015 11:15 AM, "MusikAnimal" musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

I'm okay with L235 having read-only access, but moving forward this sort of thing should be discussed first.

Alight, can we establish a road map? I take it Max that as a start you are going to move all the existing code over and get it running? Then we work on rewriting code?

About the rewrites: ~ Can we decide on a framework? My biggest concern was separating the frontend and backend, in hopefully a MVC paradigm. I believe this would make it substantially easier to debug and maintain. How about CakePHP http://cakephp.org/? ~ We should divvy out the work, perhaps assign each developer to a tool, rather than all work on the same tool, so we can avoid conflicts. When we've got a better idea of exactly what we're doing we should start making phab tasks and triage them ~ We should be using a more modern (perhaps the latest) version of PHP ~ I'd like to offer my frontend expertise, though it seems like we have all of that, we just need to extract it out for the MVC structure. Anyway, just keep that in mind

When it comes time I can change all the links on enwiki to xtools.wmflabs.org, but I wonder if we should do that during active development. Maybe have a second instance dedicated to development, something like staging.xtools.wmflabs.org? Then we could have the devs work locally and push to a staging branch so we can all review it in a production-like environment. We'd need only minimum resources as the staging env would be for internal use only, and perhaps password-protect access. We could onboard testers as needed.

How does that sound?

~MusikAnimal

On 30 June 2015 at 08:44, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

...

I’ll see if I can get around to it later today or tomorrow. These tools, especially articleinfo, need to get back up.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:39 AM

*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

I'll work on tools code in a couple weeks. Just too busy with midterms right now.

On the topic of signatures, I generally dislike them... period. I know my mobile clients add one, and it's not worth the effort to make those go away and I wouldn't expect others to for that kind of one liner.

I still don't understand networking and linux very well either. I took a class, so can kinda get around inside, but don't know much about what everything is or how things work. Would love to learn more, but I need small chunks for each thing and practice.

I do use reply all. There were a couple messages I intentionally sent to just certain people, and I'm not upset they replied to the group quoting.

I'm ShoeMaker (http://ddowiki.com/page/User:ShoeMaker - http://enwp.org/User:ShoeMaker)

I'll have to look more into ConnectBot on that. I use PuTTY on my home computer, and that'll be fine.

Max isn't the only one. I have my reservations as well. My biggest issue was that it wasn't discussed first and isn't following our protocol. I'm also hesitant with the lack of experience. Need to think about it more.

Anyways, coffee time. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 4:36 AM, "Eugene Lee" leee@mit.edu wrote:

Ah okay so it looks like I've taken an extended cat nap at the wrong time.

1. Correct Max buddy.

2. Joseve05a, what are you doing? :^)

3. L235 - no worries, I knew you'd do that and I'm not worried about you.

I'd like to see how xtools run first round when T13 (?) wrenches the existing codebase into shape. I think it'll be a better idea to deploy amongst 4 m1.mediums and load balance amongst them.

4. Joseve05a, make a less messy signature =]

5. Yeah Max, of course it is! xtools has been down for so long.

6. You're in bastion with your keys thanks to your client but you can't

get into an instance because "keys are difficult if you've never used them before". Please see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access, and especially take a good look at using ProxyCommand. This is why people prefer a sane OS like OS X or any nix variant. GUIs are just... messy. =]

7. T13, remember! There's a reply-all button that we all love to use. =]

8. Yes, standard ports all around.

9. L235, I'm okay with you sticking around. It's also nice to have

level-headed and adept outsiders take a good look for sanity checks.

10. Max buddy, you're not properly using your keys to access the instance.

11. ... What? Who's ShoeMaker Royality? That's... a pretty interesting

name to use. I've yet to encounter "royality". Nice username though.

12. T13 - use an ssh client that supports keys, and look into

ProxyCommand or agent forwarding. The latter is a Bad Idea, especially if you're using labs keys for other things.

13. T13 - sure, one could always port forward port 22. It would be quite

unwise of you to do that, especially in a production environment like labs. When properly done, the security afforded is worth the pain. For Labs, it is.

14. Max, I think you're the only one debating L235's stay =]

15. L235 is right. Do you know the definition of the word bastion? Think

of it as a... VPN server, for lack of a better phrase.

fin.

--leee

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

We need plenty of server maintainers and code maintainers. In case Elee is absent, someone else can step in if need be.

Cyberpower678

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 8:57 PM

*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, you definitely can't connect to "xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs" directly. At a high level, you connect to the open-to-the-internet host at bastion.wmflabs.org, and that is a server behind the WMFLabs firewall that has permissions to connect to the webservers. I don't personally use that client, but https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access provides good advice, and someone in #wikimedia-labs can provide you with specifics.

Cyberpower, that is understood, though I'm not certain what I'm being voted in for. I'm fine with being a maintainer, but I don't plan on writing code or doing much like that; I can administrate servers if needed but I'd like to mainly observe and suggest; I also will likely "abstain" on almost all votes/etc.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

I vote to add L235, provided L235 honors that we operate on a consensus here too. All major changes should be discussed, including adding or expelling maintainers.

Cyberpower678

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia

*Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 8:35 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, yes. No formal training, but I'm decent.

Folks, you need to connect to bastion *first*, and then connect to xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs. You can't SSH to the webservers directly; that is a gigantic security risk.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:28 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I can't connect either ftr.

See attached screenshot.

On Jun 29, 2015 7:16 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

So you’re saying you have Linux experience?

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 7:10 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Actually, I suppose I did work on production on a project called the "Orion Belt Coalition", which was a cryptocurrency-related project (and is now down), but I only spent about 30 hours working on that, and a lot of that time was cursing some sysadmins who had decided to use Windows Server for some parts of it instead of a nice Ubuntu LAMP stack or similar. And I also designed some other stuff for cryptocurrency, etc, but that didn't have too much to do with PHP/JavaScript.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:

Cyberpower, without screenshots and/or logs, I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with PuTTY though because I mainly use GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems with native ssh.

T13, my "qualifications and experiences" are basically "I read stuff on the Internet and I tinker and optimize on my small cluster"; nothing professionally.

L235 (mobile)

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’d still prefer a discussion. I haven’t revoked yet because I don’t want to be a dick. As for SSHing in, I followed the instructions and keep getting “Server unexpectedly closed network connection”

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:46 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II < technical_13@yahoo.com> wrote:

Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

T13

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*From*:"L235 Wikipedia" lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com *Date*:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 18:40

*Subject*:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

Cyberpower678

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:35 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools

*Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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I don't know that is going to work with the recode since we'll be using our own DB. I'm thinking we should do a -dev version of the environment like ACC. T13 On Jun 30, 2015 11:30 AM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I thought we were going to use toollabs as the testing environment? One thing that was brought up is the readability of xTools. A few users have mentioned Wikihistory being more readable but only working for the German version. We should consider introducing skins as options, and incorporating the wikihistory as a potential skin option. Skins can be adjusted with OAuth.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:25 AM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

I'd like see us break most all of it up into appropriate modules. I want each component broken up into the smallest reusable chunk possible to make it simple to debug. Yes, stating the obvious - that's not always bad. Anyways. I'll add more when I have time. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 11:15 AM, "MusikAnimal" musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

I'm okay with L235 having read-only access, but moving forward this sort of thing should be discussed first.

Alight, can we establish a road map? I take it Max that as a start you are going to move all the existing code over and get it running? Then we work on rewriting code?

About the rewrites:

~ Can we decide on a framework? My biggest concern was separating the frontend and backend, in hopefully a MVC paradigm. I believe this would make it substantially easier to debug and maintain. How about CakePHP http://cakephp.org/?

~ We should divvy out the work, perhaps assign each developer to a tool, rather than all work on the same tool, so we can avoid conflicts. When we've got a better idea of exactly what we're doing we should start making phab tasks and triage them

~ We should be using a more modern (perhaps the latest) version of PHP

~ I'd like to offer my frontend expertise, though it seems like we have all of that, we just need to extract it out for the MVC structure. Anyway, just keep that in mind

When it comes time I can change all the links on enwiki to xtools.wmflabs.org, but I wonder if we should do that during active development. Maybe have a second instance dedicated to development, something like staging.xtools.wmflabs.org? Then we could have the devs work locally and push to a staging branch so we can all review it in a production-like environment. We'd need only minimum resources as the staging env would be for internal use only, and perhaps password-protect access. We could onboard testers as needed.

How does that sound?

~MusikAnimal

On 30 June 2015 at 08:44, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’ll see if I can get around to it later today or tomorrow. These tools, especially articleinfo, need to get back up.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:39 AM

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I'll work on tools code in a couple weeks. Just too busy with midterms right now.

On the topic of signatures, I generally dislike them... period. I know my mobile clients add one, and it's not worth the effort to make those go away and I wouldn't expect others to for that kind of one liner.

I still don't understand networking and linux very well either. I took a class, so can kinda get around inside, but don't know much about what everything is or how things work. Would love to learn more, but I need small chunks for each thing and practice.

I do use reply all. There were a couple messages I intentionally sent to just certain people, and I'm not upset they replied to the group quoting.

I'm ShoeMaker (http://ddowiki.com/page/User:ShoeMaker - http://enwp.org/User:ShoeMaker)

I'll have to look more into ConnectBot on that. I use PuTTY on my home computer, and that'll be fine.

Max isn't the only one. I have my reservations as well. My biggest issue was that it wasn't discussed first and isn't following our protocol. I'm also hesitant with the lack of experience. Need to think about it more.

Anyways, coffee time. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 4:36 AM, "Eugene Lee" leee@mit.edu wrote:

Ah okay so it looks like I've taken an extended cat nap at the wrong time.

1. Correct Max buddy.

2. Joseve05a, what are you doing? :^)

3. L235 - no worries, I knew you'd do that and I'm not worried about you.

I'd like to see how xtools run first round when T13 (?) wrenches the existing codebase into shape. I think it'll be a better idea to deploy amongst 4 m1.mediums and load balance amongst them.

4. Joseve05a, make a less messy signature =]

5. Yeah Max, of course it is! xtools has been down for so long.

6. You're in bastion with your keys thanks to your client but you can't

get into an instance because "keys are difficult if you've never used them before". Please see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access, and especially take a good look at using ProxyCommand. This is why people prefer a sane OS like OS X or any nix variant. GUIs are just... messy. =]

7. T13, remember! There's a reply-all button that we all love to use. =]

8. Yes, standard ports all around.

9. L235, I'm okay with you sticking around. It's also nice to have

level-headed and adept outsiders take a good look for sanity checks.

10. Max buddy, you're not properly using your keys to access the instance.

11. ... What? Who's ShoeMaker Royality? That's... a pretty interesting

name to use. I've yet to encounter "royality". Nice username though.

12. T13 - use an ssh client that supports keys, and look into ProxyCommand

or agent forwarding. The latter is a Bad Idea, especially if you're using labs keys for other things.

13. T13 - sure, one could always port forward port 22. It would be quite

unwise of you to do that, especially in a production environment like labs. When properly done, the security afforded is worth the pain. For Labs, it is.

14. Max, I think you're the only one debating L235's stay =]

15. L235 is right. Do you know the definition of the word bastion? Think

of it as a... VPN server, for lack of a better phrase.

fin.

--leee

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

We need plenty of server maintainers and code maintainers. In case Elee is absent, someone else can step in if need be.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 8:57 PM

*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, you definitely can't connect to "xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs" directly. At a high level, you connect to the open-to-the-internet host at bastion.wmflabs.org, and that is a server behind the WMFLabs firewall that has permissions to connect to the webservers. I don't personally use that client, but https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access provides good advice, and someone in #wikimedia-labs can provide you with specifics.

Cyberpower, that is understood, though I'm not certain what I'm being voted in for. I'm fine with being a maintainer, but I don't plan on writing code or doing much like that; I can administrate servers if needed but I'd like to mainly observe and suggest; I also will likely "abstain" on almost all votes/etc.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

I vote to add L235, provided L235 honors that we operate on a consensus here too. All major changes should be discussed, including adding or expelling maintainers.

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*Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 8:35 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, yes. No formal training, but I'm decent.

Folks, you need to connect to bastion *first*, and then connect to xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs. You can't SSH to the webservers directly; that is a gigantic security risk.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:28 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I can't connect either ftr.

See attached screenshot.

On Jun 29, 2015 7:16 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

So you’re saying you have Linux experience?

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 7:10 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Actually, I suppose I did work on production on a project called the "Orion Belt Coalition", which was a cryptocurrency-related project (and is now down), but I only spent about 30 hours working on that, and a lot of that time was cursing some sysadmins who had decided to use Windows Server for some parts of it instead of a nice Ubuntu LAMP stack or similar. And I also designed some other stuff for cryptocurrency, etc, but that didn't have too much to do with PHP/JavaScript.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:

Cyberpower, without screenshots and/or logs, I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with PuTTY though because I mainly use GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems with native ssh.

T13, my "qualifications and experiences" are basically "I read stuff on the Internet and I tinker and optimize on my small cluster"; nothing professionally.

L235 (mobile)

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’d still prefer a discussion. I haven’t revoked yet because I don’t want to be a dick. As for SSHing in, I followed the instructions and keep getting “Server unexpectedly closed network connection”

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T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks,

L235

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II < technical_13@yahoo.com> wrote:

Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

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*Subject*:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

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*Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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MusikAnimal, for the absolute avoidance of doubt, I would actually have read/write access; I simply promise on my integrity to never use the write access (unless later allowed to).

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

Problem is we are out of resources. We maxed out the available resources we have with those three instances. So it would have to be xtools.wmflabs.org/dev/

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I don't know that is going to work with the recode since we'll be using our own DB. I'm thinking we should do a -dev version of the environment like ACC. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 11:30 AM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I thought we were going to use toollabs as the testing environment? One thing that was brought up is the readability of xTools. A few users have mentioned Wikihistory being more readable but only working for the German version. We should consider introducing skins as options, and incorporating the wikihistory as a potential skin option. Skins can be adjusted with OAuth.

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I'd like see us break most all of it up into appropriate modules. I want each component broken up into the smallest reusable chunk possible to make it simple to debug. Yes, stating the obvious - that's not always bad. Anyways. I'll add more when I have time. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 11:15 AM, "MusikAnimal" musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

I'm okay with L235 having read-only access, but moving forward this sort of thing should be discussed first.

Alight, can we establish a road map? I take it Max that as a start you are going to move all the existing code over and get it running? Then we work on rewriting code?

About the rewrites:

~ Can we decide on a framework? My biggest concern was separating the frontend and backend, in hopefully a MVC paradigm. I believe this would make it substantially easier to debug and maintain. How about CakePHP http://cakephp.org/?

~ We should divvy out the work, perhaps assign each developer to a tool, rather than all work on the same tool, so we can avoid conflicts. When we've got a better idea of exactly what we're doing we should start making phab tasks and triage them

~ We should be using a more modern (perhaps the latest) version of PHP

~ I'd like to offer my frontend expertise, though it seems like we have all of that, we just need to extract it out for the MVC structure. Anyway, just keep that in mind

When it comes time I can change all the links on enwiki to xtools.wmflabs.org, but I wonder if we should do that during active development. Maybe have a second instance dedicated to development, something like staging.xtools.wmflabs.org? Then we could have the devs work locally and push to a staging branch so we can all review it in a production-like environment. We'd need only minimum resources as the staging env would be for internal use only, and perhaps password-protect access. We could onboard testers as needed.

How does that sound?

~MusikAnimal

On 30 June 2015 at 08:44, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’ll see if I can get around to it later today or tomorrow. These tools, especially articleinfo, need to get back up.

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I'll work on tools code in a couple weeks. Just too busy with midterms right now.

On the topic of signatures, I generally dislike them... period. I know my mobile clients add one, and it's not worth the effort to make those go away and I wouldn't expect others to for that kind of one liner.

I still don't understand networking and linux very well either. I took a class, so can kinda get around inside, but don't know much about what everything is or how things work. Would love to learn more, but I need small chunks for each thing and practice.

I do use reply all. There were a couple messages I intentionally sent to just certain people, and I'm not upset they replied to the group quoting.

I'm ShoeMaker (http://ddowiki.com/page/User:ShoeMaker - http://enwp.org/User:ShoeMaker)

I'll have to look more into ConnectBot on that. I use PuTTY on my home computer, and that'll be fine.

Max isn't the only one. I have my reservations as well. My biggest issue was that it wasn't discussed first and isn't following our protocol. I'm also hesitant with the lack of experience. Need to think about it more.

Anyways, coffee time. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 4:36 AM, "Eugene Lee" leee@mit.edu wrote:

Ah okay so it looks like I've taken an extended cat nap at the wrong time.

1. Correct Max buddy.

2. Joseve05a, what are you doing? :^)

3. L235 - no worries, I knew you'd do that and I'm not worried about you.

I'd like to see how xtools run first round when T13 (?) wrenches the existing codebase into shape. I think it'll be a better idea to deploy amongst 4 m1.mediums and load balance amongst them.

4. Joseve05a, make a less messy signature =]

5. Yeah Max, of course it is! xtools has been down for so long.

6. You're in bastion with your keys thanks to your client but you can't

get into an instance because "keys are difficult if you've never used them before". Please see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access, and especially take a good look at using ProxyCommand. This is why people prefer a sane OS like OS X or any nix variant. GUIs are just... messy. =]

7. T13, remember! There's a reply-all button that we all love to use. =]

8. Yes, standard ports all around.

9. L235, I'm okay with you sticking around. It's also nice to have

level-headed and adept outsiders take a good look for sanity checks.

10. Max buddy, you're not properly using your keys to access the instance.

11. ... What? Who's ShoeMaker Royality? That's... a pretty interesting

name to use. I've yet to encounter "royality". Nice username though.

12. T13 - use an ssh client that supports keys, and look into ProxyCommand

or agent forwarding. The latter is a Bad Idea, especially if you're using labs keys for other things.

13. T13 - sure, one could always port forward port 22. It would be quite

unwise of you to do that, especially in a production environment like labs. When properly done, the security afforded is worth the pain. For Labs, it is.

14. Max, I think you're the only one debating L235's stay =]

15. L235 is right. Do you know the definition of the word bastion? Think

of it as a... VPN server, for lack of a better phrase.

fin.

--leee

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

We need plenty of server maintainers and code maintainers. In case Elee is absent, someone else can step in if need be.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 8:57 PM

*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, you definitely can't connect to "xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs" directly. At a high level, you connect to the open-to-the-internet host at bastion.wmflabs.org, and that is a server behind the WMFLabs firewall that has permissions to connect to the webservers. I don't personally use that client, but https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access provides good advice, and someone in #wikimedia-labs can provide you with specifics.

Cyberpower, that is understood, though I'm not certain what I'm being voted in for. I'm fine with being a maintainer, but I don't plan on writing code or doing much like that; I can administrate servers if needed but I'd like to mainly observe and suggest; I also will likely "abstain" on almost all votes/etc.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

I vote to add L235, provided L235 honors that we operate on a consensus here too. All major changes should be discussed, including adding or expelling maintainers.

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Cyberpower, yes. No formal training, but I'm decent.

Folks, you need to connect to bastion *first*, and then connect to xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs. You can't SSH to the webservers directly; that is a gigantic security risk.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:28 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I can't connect either ftr.

See attached screenshot.

On Jun 29, 2015 7:16 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

So you’re saying you have Linux experience?

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Actually, I suppose I did work on production on a project called the "Orion Belt Coalition", which was a cryptocurrency-related project (and is now down), but I only spent about 30 hours working on that, and a lot of that time was cursing some sysadmins who had decided to use Windows Server for some parts of it instead of a nice Ubuntu LAMP stack or similar. And I also designed some other stuff for cryptocurrency, etc, but that didn't have too much to do with PHP/JavaScript.

Thanks,

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:

Cyberpower, without screenshots and/or logs, I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with PuTTY though because I mainly use GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems with native ssh.

T13, my "qualifications and experiences" are basically "I read stuff on the Internet and I tinker and optimize on my small cluster"; nothing professionally.

L235 (mobile)

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’d still prefer a discussion. I haven’t revoked yet because I don’t want to be a dick. As for SSHing in, I followed the instructions and keep getting “Server unexpectedly closed network connection”

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T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks,

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II < technical_13@yahoo.com> wrote:

Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

T13

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Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

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Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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1 load balancer and two as the main webservers/processing/redundancy/actually running the stuff/etc... though we could probably do with smaller instances. For comparison, one of the m1.xlarges has more RAM, CPUs, and probably storage than my entire current small personal virtual cluster; we have *two* of those plus an m1.large, which is half as big as a m1.xlarge but still pretty big. (FYI, also for comparison, if you were running these instances on Amazon AWS EC2 on-demand, it would cost a combined $0.875 per *hour*, or roughly $650 per month, or roughly $7665 per year.) Since I'm not a nova xtools admin, I can't see the specifics about the instances, but I'm assuming if we downsized the instances, we would be able to allocate more instances for development, testing, etc.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:35 AM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

Do we need three instances for the tools? T13 On Jun 30, 2015 11:42 AM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

...

Problem is we are out of resources. We maxed out the available resources we have with those three instances. So it would have to be xtools.wmflabs.org/dev/

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I don't know that is going to work with the recode since we'll be using our own DB. I'm thinking we should do a -dev version of the environment like ACC. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 11:30 AM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I thought we were going to use toollabs as the testing environment? One thing that was brought up is the readability of xTools. A few users have mentioned Wikihistory being more readable but only working for the German version. We should consider introducing skins as options, and incorporating the wikihistory as a potential skin option. Skins can be adjusted with OAuth.

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I'd like see us break most all of it up into appropriate modules. I want each component broken up into the smallest reusable chunk possible to make it simple to debug. Yes, stating the obvious - that's not always bad. Anyways. I'll add more when I have time. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 11:15 AM, "MusikAnimal" musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

I'm okay with L235 having read-only access, but moving forward this sort of thing should be discussed first.

Alight, can we establish a road map? I take it Max that as a start you are going to move all the existing code over and get it running? Then we work on rewriting code?

About the rewrites:

~ Can we decide on a framework? My biggest concern was separating the frontend and backend, in hopefully a MVC paradigm. I believe this would make it substantially easier to debug and maintain. How about CakePHP http://cakephp.org/?

~ We should divvy out the work, perhaps assign each developer to a tool, rather than all work on the same tool, so we can avoid conflicts. When we've got a better idea of exactly what we're doing we should start making phab tasks and triage them

~ We should be using a more modern (perhaps the latest) version of PHP

~ I'd like to offer my frontend expertise, though it seems like we have all of that, we just need to extract it out for the MVC structure. Anyway, just keep that in mind

When it comes time I can change all the links on enwiki to xtools.wmflabs.org, but I wonder if we should do that during active development. Maybe have a second instance dedicated to development, something like staging.xtools.wmflabs.org? Then we could have the devs work locally and push to a staging branch so we can all review it in a production-like environment. We'd need only minimum resources as the staging env would be for internal use only, and perhaps password-protect access. We could onboard testers as needed.

How does that sound?

~MusikAnimal

On 30 June 2015 at 08:44, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’ll see if I can get around to it later today or tomorrow. These tools, especially articleinfo, need to get back up.

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I'll work on tools code in a couple weeks. Just too busy with midterms right now.

On the topic of signatures, I generally dislike them... period. I know my mobile clients add one, and it's not worth the effort to make those go away and I wouldn't expect others to for that kind of one liner.

I still don't understand networking and linux very well either. I took a class, so can kinda get around inside, but don't know much about what everything is or how things work. Would love to learn more, but I need small chunks for each thing and practice.

I do use reply all. There were a couple messages I intentionally sent to just certain people, and I'm not upset they replied to the group quoting.

I'm ShoeMaker (http://ddowiki.com/page/User:ShoeMaker - http://enwp.org/User:ShoeMaker)

I'll have to look more into ConnectBot on that. I use PuTTY on my home computer, and that'll be fine.

Max isn't the only one. I have my reservations as well. My biggest issue was that it wasn't discussed first and isn't following our protocol. I'm also hesitant with the lack of experience. Need to think about it more.

Anyways, coffee time. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 4:36 AM, "Eugene Lee" leee@mit.edu wrote:

Ah okay so it looks like I've taken an extended cat nap at the wrong time.

1. Correct Max buddy.

2. Joseve05a, what are you doing? :^)

3. L235 - no worries, I knew you'd do that and I'm not worried about you.

I'd like to see how xtools run first round when T13 (?) wrenches the existing codebase into shape. I think it'll be a better idea to deploy amongst 4 m1.mediums and load balance amongst them.

4. Joseve05a, make a less messy signature =]

5. Yeah Max, of course it is! xtools has been down for so long.

6. You're in bastion with your keys thanks to your client but you can't

get into an instance because "keys are difficult if you've never used them before". Please see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access, and especially take a good look at using ProxyCommand. This is why people prefer a sane OS like OS X or any nix variant. GUIs are just... messy. =]

7. T13, remember! There's a reply-all button that we all love to use. =]

8. Yes, standard ports all around.

9. L235, I'm okay with you sticking around. It's also nice to have

level-headed and adept outsiders take a good look for sanity checks.

10. Max buddy, you're not properly using your keys to access the instance.

11. ... What? Who's ShoeMaker Royality? That's... a pretty interesting

name to use. I've yet to encounter "royality". Nice username though.

12. T13 - use an ssh client that supports keys, and look into

ProxyCommand or agent forwarding. The latter is a Bad Idea, especially if you're using labs keys for other things.

13. T13 - sure, one could always port forward port 22. It would be quite

unwise of you to do that, especially in a production environment like labs. When properly done, the security afforded is worth the pain. For Labs, it is.

14. Max, I think you're the only one debating L235's stay =]

15. L235 is right. Do you know the definition of the word bastion? Think

of it as a... VPN server, for lack of a better phrase.

fin.

--leee

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

We need plenty of server maintainers and code maintainers. In case Elee is absent, someone else can step in if need be.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 8:57 PM

*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, you definitely can't connect to "xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs" directly. At a high level, you connect to the open-to-the-internet host at bastion.wmflabs.org, and that is a server behind the WMFLabs firewall that has permissions to connect to the webservers. I don't personally use that client, but https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access provides good advice, and someone in #wikimedia-labs can provide you with specifics.

Cyberpower, that is understood, though I'm not certain what I'm being voted in for. I'm fine with being a maintainer, but I don't plan on writing code or doing much like that; I can administrate servers if needed but I'd like to mainly observe and suggest; I also will likely "abstain" on almost all votes/etc.

Thanks,

L235

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

I vote to add L235, provided L235 honors that we operate on a consensus here too. All major changes should be discussed, including adding or expelling maintainers.

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Cyberpower, yes. No formal training, but I'm decent.

Folks, you need to connect to bastion *first*, and then connect to xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs. You can't SSH to the webservers directly; that is a gigantic security risk.

Thanks,

L235

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:28 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I can't connect either ftr.

See attached screenshot.

On Jun 29, 2015 7:16 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

So you’re saying you have Linux experience?

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Actually, I suppose I did work on production on a project called the "Orion Belt Coalition", which was a cryptocurrency-related project (and is now down), but I only spent about 30 hours working on that, and a lot of that time was cursing some sysadmins who had decided to use Windows Server for some parts of it instead of a nice Ubuntu LAMP stack or similar. And I also designed some other stuff for cryptocurrency, etc, but that didn't have too much to do with PHP/JavaScript.

Thanks,

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:

Cyberpower, without screenshots and/or logs, I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with PuTTY though because I mainly use GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems with native ssh.

T13, my "qualifications and experiences" are basically "I read stuff on the Internet and I tinker and optimize on my small cluster"; nothing professionally.

L235 (mobile)

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’d still prefer a discussion. I haven’t revoked yet because I don’t want to be a dick. As for SSHing in, I followed the instructions and keep getting “Server unexpectedly closed network connection”

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T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks,

L235

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II < technical_13@yahoo.com> wrote:

Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

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Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

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Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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I asked on IRC, and I got a "no" on whether we can:

2:16:53 PM <L235> Hi, although stuff on Labs is supposed to be open-source, is it fine if we use Google Analytics? 2:17:25 PM <valhallasw> L235: no, but mostly because of privacy reasons 2:17:33 PM <L235> ok, thank you

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:56 PM, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

I agree with L235. I thought those boxes were a bit hefty myself... Do we have any metrics on traffic? Is it unreasonable to incorporate Google Analytics or the like? We want things to be open source, of course, but knowing the traffic we are dealing with would be helpful in planning ahead to ensure scalability.

On 30 June 2015 at 14:42, L235 Wikipedia lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:

...

1 load balancer and two as the main webservers/processing/redundancy/actually running the stuff/etc... though we could probably do with smaller instances. For comparison, one of the m1.xlarges has more RAM, CPUs, and probably storage than my entire current small personal virtual cluster; we have *two* of those plus an m1.large, which is half as big as a m1.xlarge but still pretty big. (FYI, also for comparison, if you were running these instances on Amazon AWS EC2 on-demand, it would cost a combined $0.875 per *hour*, or roughly $650 per month, or roughly $7665 per year.) Since I'm not a nova xtools admin, I can't see the specifics about the instances, but I'm assuming if we downsized the instances, we would be able to allocate more instances for development, testing, etc.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

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Do we need three instances for the tools? T13 On Jun 30, 2015 11:42 AM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

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Problem is we are out of resources. We maxed out the available resources we have with those three instances. So it would have to be xtools.wmflabs.org/dev/

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I don't know that is going to work with the recode since we'll be using our own DB. I'm thinking we should do a -dev version of the environment like ACC. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 11:30 AM, "Maximilian Doerr" < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

I thought we were going to use toollabs as the testing environment? One thing that was brought up is the readability of xTools. A few users have mentioned Wikihistory being more readable but only working for the German version. We should consider introducing skins as options, and incorporating the wikihistory as a potential skin option. Skins can be adjusted with OAuth.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:25 AM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

I'd like see us break most all of it up into appropriate modules. I want each component broken up into the smallest reusable chunk possible to make it simple to debug. Yes, stating the obvious - that's not always bad. Anyways. I'll add more when I have time. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 11:15 AM, "MusikAnimal" musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

I'm okay with L235 having read-only access, but moving forward this sort of thing should be discussed first.

Alight, can we establish a road map? I take it Max that as a start you are going to move all the existing code over and get it running? Then we work on rewriting code?

About the rewrites:

~ Can we decide on a framework? My biggest concern was separating the frontend and backend, in hopefully a MVC paradigm. I believe this would make it substantially easier to debug and maintain. How about CakePHP http://cakephp.org/?

~ We should divvy out the work, perhaps assign each developer to a tool, rather than all work on the same tool, so we can avoid conflicts. When we've got a better idea of exactly what we're doing we should start making phab tasks and triage them

~ We should be using a more modern (perhaps the latest) version of PHP

~ I'd like to offer my frontend expertise, though it seems like we have all of that, we just need to extract it out for the MVC structure. Anyway, just keep that in mind

When it comes time I can change all the links on enwiki to xtools.wmflabs.org, but I wonder if we should do that during active development. Maybe have a second instance dedicated to development, something like staging.xtools.wmflabs.org? Then we could have the devs work locally and push to a staging branch so we can all review it in a production-like environment. We'd need only minimum resources as the staging env would be for internal use only, and perhaps password-protect access. We could onboard testers as needed.

How does that sound?

~MusikAnimal

On 30 June 2015 at 08:44, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’ll see if I can get around to it later today or tomorrow. These tools, especially articleinfo, need to get back up.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:39 AM

*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

I'll work on tools code in a couple weeks. Just too busy with midterms right now.

On the topic of signatures, I generally dislike them... period. I know my mobile clients add one, and it's not worth the effort to make those go away and I wouldn't expect others to for that kind of one liner.

I still don't understand networking and linux very well either. I took a class, so can kinda get around inside, but don't know much about what everything is or how things work. Would love to learn more, but I need small chunks for each thing and practice.

I do use reply all. There were a couple messages I intentionally sent to just certain people, and I'm not upset they replied to the group quoting.

I'm ShoeMaker (http://ddowiki.com/page/User:ShoeMaker - http://enwp.org/User:ShoeMaker)

I'll have to look more into ConnectBot on that. I use PuTTY on my home computer, and that'll be fine.

Max isn't the only one. I have my reservations as well. My biggest issue was that it wasn't discussed first and isn't following our protocol. I'm also hesitant with the lack of experience. Need to think about it more.

Anyways, coffee time. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 4:36 AM, "Eugene Lee" leee@mit.edu wrote:

Ah okay so it looks like I've taken an extended cat nap at the wrong time.

1. Correct Max buddy.

2. Joseve05a, what are you doing? :^)

3. L235 - no worries, I knew you'd do that and I'm not worried about

you. I'd like to see how xtools run first round when T13 (?) wrenches the existing codebase into shape. I think it'll be a better idea to deploy amongst 4 m1.mediums and load balance amongst them.

4. Joseve05a, make a less messy signature =]

5. Yeah Max, of course it is! xtools has been down for so long.

6. You're in bastion with your keys thanks to your client but you can't

get into an instance because "keys are difficult if you've never used them before". Please see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access, and especially take a good look at using ProxyCommand. This is why people prefer a sane OS like OS X or any nix variant. GUIs are just... messy. =]

7. T13, remember! There's a reply-all button that we all love to use. =]

8. Yes, standard ports all around.

9. L235, I'm okay with you sticking around. It's also nice to have

level-headed and adept outsiders take a good look for sanity checks.

10. Max buddy, you're not properly using your keys to access the

instance.

11. ... What? Who's ShoeMaker Royality? That's... a pretty interesting

name to use. I've yet to encounter "royality". Nice username though.

12. T13 - use an ssh client that supports keys, and look into

ProxyCommand or agent forwarding. The latter is a Bad Idea, especially if you're using labs keys for other things.

13. T13 - sure, one could always port forward port 22. It would be

quite unwise of you to do that, especially in a production environment like labs. When properly done, the security afforded is worth the pain. For Labs, it is.

14. Max, I think you're the only one debating L235's stay =]

15. L235 is right. Do you know the definition of the word bastion?

Think of it as a... VPN server, for lack of a better phrase.

fin.

--leee

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

We need plenty of server maintainers and code maintainers. In case Elee is absent, someone else can step in if need be.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 8:57 PM

*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, you definitely can't connect to "xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs" directly. At a high level, you connect to the open-to-the-internet host at bastion.wmflabs.org, and that is a server behind the WMFLabs firewall that has permissions to connect to the webservers. I don't personally use that client, but https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access provides good advice, and someone in #wikimedia-labs can provide you with specifics.

Cyberpower, that is understood, though I'm not certain what I'm being voted in for. I'm fine with being a maintainer, but I don't plan on writing code or doing much like that; I can administrate servers if needed but I'd like to mainly observe and suggest; I also will likely "abstain" on almost all votes/etc.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

I vote to add L235, provided L235 honors that we operate on a consensus here too. All major changes should be discussed, including adding or expelling maintainers.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia

*Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 8:35 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, yes. No formal training, but I'm decent.

Folks, you need to connect to bastion *first*, and then connect to xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs. You can't SSH to the webservers directly; that is a gigantic security risk.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:28 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I can't connect either ftr.

See attached screenshot.

On Jun 29, 2015 7:16 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

So you’re saying you have Linux experience?

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 7:10 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Actually, I suppose I did work on production on a project called the "Orion Belt Coalition", which was a cryptocurrency-related project (and is now down), but I only spent about 30 hours working on that, and a lot of that time was cursing some sysadmins who had decided to use Windows Server for some parts of it instead of a nice Ubuntu LAMP stack or similar. And I also designed some other stuff for cryptocurrency, etc, but that didn't have too much to do with PHP/JavaScript.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:

Cyberpower, without screenshots and/or logs, I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with PuTTY though because I mainly use GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems with native ssh.

T13, my "qualifications and experiences" are basically "I read stuff on the Internet and I tinker and optimize on my small cluster"; nothing professionally.

L235 (mobile)

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’d still prefer a discussion. I haven’t revoked yet because I don’t want to be a dick. As for SSHing in, I followed the instructions and keep getting “Server unexpectedly closed network connection”

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:46 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II < technical_13@yahoo.com> wrote:

Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

T13

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*From*:"L235 Wikipedia" lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com *Date*:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 18:40

*Subject*:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:35 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools

*Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Eugene Lee Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 3:27 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

I'm quite busy at the moment, but Nagios/Ichinga: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Icinga

--leee

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 3:26 PM, L235 Wikipedia lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:

I asked on IRC, and I got a "no" on whether we can:

2:16:53 PM <L235> Hi, although stuff on Labs is supposed to be open-source, is it fine if we use Google Analytics? 2:17:25 PM <valhallasw> L235: no, but mostly because of privacy reasons 2:17:33 PM <L235> ok, thank you

Thanks,

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On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:56 PM, MusikAnimal musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

I agree with L235. I thought those boxes were a bit hefty myself... Do we have any metrics on traffic? Is it unreasonable to incorporate Google Analytics or the like? We want things to be open source, of course, but knowing the traffic we are dealing with would be helpful in planning ahead to ensure scalability.

On 30 June 2015 at 14:42, L235 Wikipedia lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:

1 load balancer and two as the main webservers/processing/redundancy/actually running the stuff/etc... though we could probably do with smaller instances. For comparison, one of the m1.xlarges has more RAM, CPUs, and probably storage than my entire current small personal virtual cluster; we have two of those plus an m1.large, which is half as big as a m1.xlarge but still pretty big. (FYI, also for comparison, if you were running these instances on Amazon AWS EC2 on-demand, it would cost a combined $0.875 per hour, or roughly $650 per month, or roughly $7665 per year.) Since I'm not a nova xtools admin, I can't see the specifics about the instances, but I'm assuming if we downsized the instances, we would be able to allocate more instances for development, testing, etc.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:35 AM, ShoeMaker Royality legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com wrote:

Do we need three instances for the tools? T13

On Jun 30, 2015 11:42 AM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

Problem is we are out of resources. We maxed out the available resources we have with those three instances. So it would have to be xtools.wmflabs.org/dev/

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:39 AM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

I don't know that is going to work with the recode since we'll be using our own DB. I'm thinking we should do a -dev version of the environment like ACC. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 11:30 AM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I thought we were going to use toollabs as the testing environment? One thing that was brought up is the readability of xTools. A few users have mentioned Wikihistory being more readable but only working for the German version. We should consider introducing skins as options, and incorporating the wikihistory as a potential skin option. Skins can be adjusted with OAuth.

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:25 AM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

I'd like see us break most all of it up into appropriate modules. I want each component broken up into the smallest reusable chunk possible to make it simple to debug. Yes, stating the obvious - that's not always bad. Anyways. I'll add more when I have time. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 11:15 AM, "MusikAnimal" musikanimal@gmail.com wrote:

I'm okay with L235 having read-only access, but moving forward this sort of thing should be discussed first.

Alight, can we establish a road map? I take it Max that as a start you are going to move all the existing code over and get it running? Then we work on rewriting code?

About the rewrites:

~ Can we decide on a framework? My biggest concern was separating the frontend and backend, in hopefully a MVC paradigm. I believe this would make it substantially easier to debug and maintain. How about CakePHP http://cakephp.org/ ?

~ We should divvy out the work, perhaps assign each developer to a tool, rather than all work on the same tool, so we can avoid conflicts. When we've got a better idea of exactly what we're doing we should start making phab tasks and triage them

~ We should be using a more modern (perhaps the latest) version of PHP

~ I'd like to offer my frontend expertise, though it seems like we have all of that, we just need to extract it out for the MVC structure. Anyway, just keep that in mind

When it comes time I can change all the links on enwiki to xtools.wmflabs.org, but I wonder if we should do that during active development. Maybe have a second instance dedicated to development, something like staging.xtools.wmflabs.org? Then we could have the devs work locally and push to a staging branch so we can all review it in a production-like environment. We'd need only minimum resources as the staging env would be for internal use only, and perhaps password-protect access. We could onboard testers as needed.

How does that sound?

~MusikAnimal

On 30 June 2015 at 08:44, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’ll see if I can get around to it later today or tomorrow. These tools, especially articleinfo, need to get back up.

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of ShoeMaker Royality Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:39 AM

To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

I'll work on tools code in a couple weeks. Just too busy with midterms right now.

On the topic of signatures, I generally dislike them... period. I know my mobile clients add one, and it's not worth the effort to make those go away and I wouldn't expect others to for that kind of one liner.

I still don't understand networking and linux very well either. I took a class, so can kinda get around inside, but don't know much about what everything is or how things work. Would love to learn more, but I need small chunks for each thing and practice.

I do use reply all. There were a couple messages I intentionally sent to just certain people, and I'm not upset they replied to the group quoting.

I'm ShoeMaker (http://ddowiki.com/page/User:ShoeMaker - http://enwp.org/User:ShoeMaker)

I'll have to look more into ConnectBot on that. I use PuTTY on my home computer, and that'll be fine.

Max isn't the only one. I have my reservations as well. My biggest issue was that it wasn't discussed first and isn't following our protocol. I'm also hesitant with the lack of experience. Need to think about it more.

Anyways, coffee time. T13

On Jun 30, 2015 4:36 AM, "Eugene Lee" leee@mit.edu wrote:

Ah okay so it looks like I've taken an extended cat nap at the wrong time.

1. Correct Max buddy.

2. Joseve05a, what are you doing? :^)

3. L235 - no worries, I knew you'd do that and I'm not worried about you. I'd like to see how xtools run first round when T13 (?) wrenches the existing codebase into shape. I think it'll be a better idea to deploy amongst 4 m1.mediums and load balance amongst them.

4. Joseve05a, make a less messy signature =]

5. Yeah Max, of course it is! xtools has been down for so long.

6. You're in bastion with your keys thanks to your client but you can't get into an instance because "keys are difficult if you've never used them before". Please see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access, and especially take a good look at using ProxyCommand. This is why people prefer a sane OS like OS X or any nix variant. GUIs are just... messy. =]

7. T13, remember! There's a reply-all button that we all love to use. =]

8. Yes, standard ports all around.

9. L235, I'm okay with you sticking around. It's also nice to have level-headed and adept outsiders take a good look for sanity checks.

10. Max buddy, you're not properly using your keys to access the instance.

11. ... What? Who's ShoeMaker Royality? That's... a pretty interesting name to use. I've yet to encounter "royality". Nice username though.

12. T13 - use an ssh client that supports keys, and look into ProxyCommand or agent forwarding. The latter is a Bad Idea, especially if you're using labs keys for other things.

13. T13 - sure, one could always port forward port 22. It would be quite unwise of you to do that, especially in a production environment like labs. When properly done, the security afforded is worth the pain. For Labs, it is.

14. Max, I think you're the only one debating L235's stay =]

15. L235 is right. Do you know the definition of the word bastion? Think of it as a... VPN server, for lack of a better phrase.

fin.

--leee

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

We need plenty of server maintainers and code maintainers. In case Elee is absent, someone else can step in if need be.

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of L235 Wikipedia Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 8:57 PM

To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, you definitely can't connect to "xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs" directly. At a high level, you connect to the open-to-the-internet host at bastion.wmflabs.org, and that is a server behind the WMFLabs firewall that has permissions to connect to the webservers. I don't personally use that client, but https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access provides good advice, and someone in #wikimedia-labs can provide you with specifics.

Cyberpower, that is understood, though I'm not certain what I'm being voted in for. I'm fine with being a maintainer, but I don't plan on writing code or doing much like that; I can administrate servers if needed but I'd like to mainly observe and suggest; I also will likely "abstain" on almost all votes/etc.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I vote to add L235, provided L235 honors that we operate on a consensus here too. All major changes should be discussed, including adding or expelling maintainers.

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of L235 Wikipedia

Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 8:35 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, yes. No formal training, but I'm decent.

Folks, you need to connect to bastion first, and then connect to xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs. You can't SSH to the webservers directly; that is a gigantic security risk.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:28 PM, ShoeMaker Royality legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com wrote:

I can't connect either ftr.

See attached screenshot.

On Jun 29, 2015 7:16 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

So you’re saying you have Linux experience?

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of L235 Wikipedia Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 7:10 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Actually, I suppose I did work on production on a project called the "Orion Belt Coalition", which was a cryptocurrency-related project (and is now down), but I only spent about 30 hours working on that, and a lot of that time was cursing some sysadmins who had decided to use Windows Server for some parts of it instead of a nice Ubuntu LAMP stack or similar. And I also designed some other stuff for cryptocurrency, etc, but that didn't have too much to do with PHP/JavaScript.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, L235 Wikipedia lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:

Cyberpower, without screenshots and/or logs, I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with PuTTY though because I mainly use GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems with native ssh.

T13, my "qualifications and experiences" are basically "I read stuff on the Internet and I tinker and optimize on my small cluster"; nothing professionally.

L235 (mobile)

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I’d still prefer a discussion. I haven’t revoked yet because I don’t want to be a dick. As for SSHing in, I followed the instructions and keep getting “Server unexpectedly closed network connection”

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of L235 Wikipedia Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 6:46 PM To: Discussion list for xTools Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II technical_13@yahoo.com wrote:

Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

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From:"L235 Wikipedia" lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com Date:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 18:40

Subject:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

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From: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of L235 Wikipedia Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 6:35 PM To: Discussion list for xTools

Subject: Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks,

L235

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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I just saw apper's (ABBS? appers?) response on Max's talk page - I'm glad he'd be willing to help.

I personally think the tool is a bit colorful for my tastes, but it's really well designed and appears appealing to the eye. I'd use it if I could.

Thank you for being able to translate the tool! I wonder how we'd get this running. I ran the pages linked through a translator and am thoroughly confused just by grammar and wording =]

I also agree with that - we should have something up and running soon, triage any immediate issues, and start planning for the future.

--leee

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Chris cs@edubkk.org wrote:

WikiHistory

I am not a programmer but I seriously think we should be taking up on ABBS’ offer for help with the German page history tool. Obviously I’m biased due to it’s beautiful pragmatic skin, but it does load fast.

I am quite happy to translate anything from German to English, wherether it be language for the front end or instructions for he devs. I translate as a native speaker in real time as fast as I can type.

We’ve been without our page history tool for tool long and this is one of the tools that the actual programmers and the majority of the editors don’t realise how important it is for admins and people doing other research that needs this kind of data. It happens to be holding up several things at the moment.

We need the fastest solution to be up and running as quickly as possible with this one, not necessarily the most comfortable solution for the devs.

Kudpung \

On 30Jun, 2015, at 22:30, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote:

I thought we were going to use toollabs as the testing environment? One thing that was brought up is the readability of xTools. A few users have mentioned Wikihistory being more readable but only working for the German version. We should consider introducing skins as options, and incorporating the wikihistory as a potential skin option. Skins can be adjusted with OAuth.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 11:25 AM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

I'd like see us break most all of it up into appropriate modules. I want each component broken up into the smallest reusable chunk possible to make it simple to debug. Yes, stating the obvious - that's not always bad. Anyways. I'll add more when I have time. T13 On Jun 30, 2015 11:15 AM, "MusikAnimal" musikanimal@gmail.com wrote: I'm okay with L235 having read-only access, but moving forward this sort of thing should be discussed first.

Alight, can we establish a road map? I take it Max that as a start you are going to move all the existing code over and get it running? Then we work on rewriting code?

About the rewrites: ~ Can we decide on a framework? My biggest concern was separating the frontend and backend, in hopefully a MVC paradigm. I believe this would make it substantially easier to debug and maintain. How about CakePHP http://cakephp.org/? ~ We should divvy out the work, perhaps assign each developer to a tool, rather than all work on the same tool, so we can avoid conflicts. When we've got a better idea of exactly what we're doing we should start making phab tasks and triage them ~ We should be using a more modern (perhaps the latest) version of PHP ~ I'd like to offer my frontend expertise, though it seems like we have all of that, we just need to extract it out for the MVC structure. Anyway, just keep that in mind

When it comes time I can change all the links on enwiki to xtools.wmflabs.org, but I wonder if we should do that during active development. Maybe have a second instance dedicated to development, something like staging.xtools.wmflabs.org? Then we could have the devs work locally and push to a staging branch so we can all review it in a production-like environment. We'd need only minimum resources as the staging env would be for internal use only, and perhaps password-protect access. We could onboard testers as needed.

How does that sound?

~MusikAnimal

On 30 June 2015 at 08:44, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote: I’ll see if I can get around to it later today or tomorrow. These tools, especially articleinfo, need to get back up.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *ShoeMaker Royality *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:39 AM

*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

I'll work on tools code in a couple weeks. Just too busy with midterms right now.

On the topic of signatures, I generally dislike them... period. I know my mobile clients add one, and it's not worth the effort to make those go away and I wouldn't expect others to for that kind of one liner.

I still don't understand networking and linux very well either. I took a class, so can kinda get around inside, but don't know much about what everything is or how things work. Would love to learn more, but I need small chunks for each thing and practice.

I do use reply all. There were a couple messages I intentionally sent to just certain people, and I'm not upset they replied to the group quoting.

I'm ShoeMaker (http://ddowiki.com/page/User:ShoeMaker - http://enwp.org/User:ShoeMaker)

I'll have to look more into ConnectBot on that. I use PuTTY on my home computer, and that'll be fine.

Max isn't the only one. I have my reservations as well. My biggest issue was that it wasn't discussed first and isn't following our protocol. I'm also hesitant with the lack of experience. Need to think about it more.

Anyways, coffee time. T13 On Jun 30, 2015 4:36 AM, "Eugene Lee" leee@mit.edu wrote: Ah okay so it looks like I've taken an extended cat nap at the wrong time.

1. Correct Max buddy.
2. Joseve05a, what are you doing? :^)
3. L235 - no worries, I knew you'd do that and I'm not worried about you.

I'd like to see how xtools run first round when T13 (?) wrenches the existing codebase into shape. I think it'll be a better idea to deploy amongst 4 m1.mediums and load balance amongst them. 4. Joseve05a, make a less messy signature =] 5. Yeah Max, of course it is! xtools has been down for so long. 6. You're in bastion with your keys thanks to your client but you can't get into an instance because "keys are difficult if you've never used them before". Please see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access, and especially take a good look at using ProxyCommand. This is why people prefer a sane OS like OS X or any nix variant. GUIs are just... messy. =] 7. T13, remember! There's a reply-all button that we all love to use. =] 8. Yes, standard ports all around. 9. L235, I'm okay with you sticking around. It's also nice to have level-headed and adept outsiders take a good look for sanity checks. 10. Max buddy, you're not properly using your keys to access the instance. 11. ... What? Who's ShoeMaker Royality? That's... a pretty interesting name to use. I've yet to encounter "royality". Nice username though. 12. T13 - use an ssh client that supports keys, and look into ProxyCommand or agent forwarding. The latter is a Bad Idea, especially if you're using labs keys for other things. 13. T13 - sure, one could always port forward port 22. It would be quite unwise of you to do that, especially in a production environment like labs. When properly done, the security afforded is worth the pain. For Labs, it is. 14. Max, I think you're the only one debating L235's stay =] 15. L235 is right. Do you know the definition of the word bastion? Think of it as a... VPN server, for lack of a better phrase.

fin.

--leee

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote: We need plenty of server maintainers and code maintainers. In case Elee is absent, someone else can step in if need be.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 8:57 PM

*To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, you definitely can't connect to "xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs" directly. At a high level, you connect to the open-to-the-internet host at bastion.wmflabs.org, and that is a server behind the WMFLabs firewall that has permissions to connect to the webservers. I don't personally use that client, but https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access provides good advice, and someone in #wikimedia-labs can provide you with specifics.

Cyberpower, that is understood, though I'm not certain what I'm being voted in for. I'm fine with being a maintainer, but I don't plan on writing code or doing much like that; I can administrate servers if needed but I'd like to mainly observe and suggest; I also will likely "abstain" on almost all votes/etc.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote: I vote to add L235, provided L235 honors that we operate on a consensus here too. All major changes should be discussed, including adding or expelling maintainers.

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia

*Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 8:35 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, yes. No formal training, but I'm decent.

Folks, you need to connect to bastion *first*, and then connect to xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs. You can't SSH to the webservers directly; that is a gigantic security risk.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 7:28 PM, ShoeMaker Royality < legend.of.the.red.dragon@gmail.com> wrote:

I can't connect either ftr.

See attached screenshot. On Jun 29, 2015 7:16 PM, "Maximilian Doerr" maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote: So you’re saying you have Linux experience?

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 7:10 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Actually, I suppose I did work on production on a project called the "Orion Belt Coalition", which was a cryptocurrency-related project (and is now down), but I only spent about 30 hours working on that, and a lot of that time was cursing some sysadmins who had decided to use Windows Server for some parts of it instead of a nice Ubuntu LAMP stack or similar. And I also designed some other stuff for cryptocurrency, etc, but that didn't have too much to do with PHP/JavaScript.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:01 PM, L235 Wikipedia < lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote: Cyberpower, without screenshots and/or logs, I can't help you. I'm not too familiar with PuTTY though because I mainly use GNU/Linux and other Unix-like operating systems with native ssh.

T13, my "qualifications and experiences" are basically "I read stuff on the Internet and I tinker and optimize on my small cluster"; nothing professionally.

L235 (mobile)

On Monday, June 29, 2015, Maximilian Doerr maximilian.doerr@gmail.com wrote: I’d still prefer a discussion. I haven’t revoked yet because I don’t want to be a dick. As for SSHing in, I followed the instructions and keep getting “Server unexpectedly closed network connection”

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:46 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13, host is xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs, port is default 22.

FYI, since it looks like no one actually has objections to me on the project and/or no one has revoked my access even though everyone on this list has the technical power to do that, I'm going to consider myself having permission to have read access to server files.

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mr. Donald J. Fortier II < technical_13@yahoo.com> wrote: Not quite, he'll also need host/port and any additional specific information for our instance. I'm assuming that our instance will use the same key that we use for toollabs that's on wikitech.wikimedia.org

T13

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*From*:"L235 Wikipedia" lixxx235wikipedia@gmail.com *Date*:Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 18:40

*Subject*:Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved Cyberpower, see https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Access and https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Putty; I assume that'll answer your questions?

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote: Not working with PuTTY or Bastion. Can someone give me a step by step? I’m horrible with linux servers. That’s why we have Elee. :p

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *L235 Wikipedia *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:35 PM *To:* Discussion list for xTools *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

Cyberpower, ssh xtools-legacy-1.xtools.eqiad.wmflabs

Thanks, L235 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:L235

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Maximilian Doerr < maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote: This list is catching attention fast. :p On topic, I’m in bastion, but how come I can’t get in to xtools-lb?

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*From:* xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [ mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Jonatan Svensson Glad *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2015 6:31 PM *To:* xtools@lists.wikimedia.org *Subject:* Re: [xTools] Getting the tools moved

T13: I'm not on xTools, just reading and responding to the pipermails.

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