Hi all,
If you are at Wikimania, please say hello to Michael Nolan, cc'd. Mike is currently interning at Mozilla and his focus is to help "white-label" Popcorn Maker, our browser-based video editor, so others can deploy it in their web apps. He's also a big free culture and access to knowledge advocate on his campus.
Mike is attending Wikimedia to understand potential use cases and to hopefully build a prototype showing how this could work on Commons.
If this sounds interesting, would encourage you to reach out: mnolan@mozilla.com. Mike will be attending the hackathon and most of the video-related conference sessions. Here is the repo where he's currently working: https://github.com/nolski/popcorn-editor
Some background: Popcorn Maker is something we have been working on for a few years at Mozilla. You can try it out here: http://popcorn.webmaker.org. We will be winding down Popcorn Maker as a Mozilla service over the next few months, but naturally as an open source project we are interested in seeing whether parts of Popcorn's source code can help solve problems for others.
Believe it or not, my motivation for helping to build Popcorn Maker stemmed from the 2010 era excitement around collaborative video editing on Wikimedia projects. I think that as far as media sequencing, remix and attribution goes, Popcorn is at least 80% of the way towards awesome and should be part of experiments on Labs & conversations on how the Wikimedia project should approach collaborative media production over the next few years. I wrote more on the opportunity here:
http://www.benmoskowitz.com/?p=1083
Post-Wikimania, would love to organize a call so we can plan further with interested folks.
Cheers! Ben
Thanks Ben!
I put Mike in CC, here are some pointers for those who may wonder (and for Mike):
* the sessions on video listed on my user page: https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:80686
* subscribe to this mailinglist: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikivideo-l
As Andrew Lih suggested to meet on Thursday before 2 pm, I am suggesting meeting for breakfast at 8:00 - see you there!
/Manuel
Hi everyone!
I'm looking forward to hopefully meeting many of you at Wikimania. I've been hard at work on Popcorn Editor and will hopefully have some cool stuff to show along with a long list of tickets and TODOs. If you're interested at all feel free to drop me an email and I'd be happy to meet up and chat.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Ben Moskowitz benrito@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
If you are at Wikimania, please say hello to Michael Nolan, cc'd. Mike is currently interning at Mozilla and his focus is to help "white-label" Popcorn Maker, our browser-based video editor, so others can deploy it in their web apps. He's also a big free culture and access to knowledge advocate on his campus.
Mike is attending Wikimedia to understand potential use cases and to hopefully build a prototype showing how this could work on Commons.
If this sounds interesting, would encourage you to reach out: mnolan@mozilla.com. Mike will be attending the hackathon and most of the video-related conference sessions. Here is the repo where he's currently working: https://github.com/nolski/popcorn-editor
Some background: Popcorn Maker is something we have been working on for a few years at Mozilla. You can try it out here: http://popcorn.webmaker.org. We will be winding down Popcorn Maker as a Mozilla service over the next few months, but naturally as an open source project we are interested in seeing whether parts of Popcorn's source code can help solve problems for others.
Believe it or not, my motivation for helping to build Popcorn Maker stemmed from the 2010 era excitement around collaborative video editing on Wikimedia projects. I think that as far as media sequencing, remix and attribution goes, Popcorn is at least 80% of the way towards awesome and should be part of experiments on Labs & conversations on how the Wikimedia project should approach collaborative media production over the next few years. I wrote more on the opportunity here:
http://www.benmoskowitz.com/?p=1083
Post-Wikimania, would love to organize a call so we can plan further with interested folks.
Cheers! Ben
Definitely interested! I'm working on video playback and transcoding infrastructure and have been thinking a lot about media editing and such interactive goodies.
-- brion On Jul 14, 2015 3:27 AM, "Michael Nolan" mnolan@mozilla.com wrote:
Hi everyone!
I'm looking forward to hopefully meeting many of you at Wikimania. I've been hard at work on Popcorn Editor and will hopefully have some cool stuff to show along with a long list of tickets and TODOs. If you're interested at all feel free to drop me an email and I'd be happy to meet up and chat.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Ben Moskowitz benrito@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
If you are at Wikimania, please say hello to Michael Nolan, cc'd. Mike is currently interning at Mozilla and his focus is to help "white-label" Popcorn Maker, our browser-based video editor, so others can deploy it in their web apps. He's also a big free culture and access to knowledge advocate on his campus.
Mike is attending Wikimedia to understand potential use cases and to hopefully build a prototype showing how this could work on Commons.
If this sounds interesting, would encourage you to reach out: mnolan@mozilla.com. Mike will be attending the hackathon and most of the video-related conference sessions. Here is the repo where he's currently working: https://github.com/nolski/popcorn-editor
Some background: Popcorn Maker is something we have been working on for a few years at Mozilla. You can try it out here: http://popcorn.webmaker.org. We will be winding down Popcorn Maker as a Mozilla service over the next few months, but naturally as an open source project we are interested in seeing whether parts of Popcorn's source code can help solve problems for others.
Believe it or not, my motivation for helping to build Popcorn Maker stemmed from the 2010 era excitement around collaborative video editing on Wikimedia projects. I think that as far as media sequencing, remix and attribution goes, Popcorn is at least 80% of the way towards awesome and should be part of experiments on Labs & conversations on how the Wikimedia project should approach collaborative media production over the next few years. I wrote more on the opportunity here:
http://www.benmoskowitz.com/?p=1083
Post-Wikimania, would love to organize a call so we can plan further with interested folks.
Cheers! Ben
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Dear all,
Op 13 jul. 2015, om 19:10 heeft Ben Moskowitz benrito@gmail.com het volgende geschreven:
Believe it or not, my motivation for helping to build Popcorn Maker stemmed from the 2010 era excitement around collaborative video editing on Wikimedia projects. I think that as far as media sequencing, remix and attribution goes, Popcorn is at least 80% of the way towards awesome and should be part of experiments on Labs & conversations on how the Wikimedia project should approach collaborative media production over the next few years. I wrote more on the opportunity here:
http://www.benmoskowitz.com/?p=1083 http://www.benmoskowitz.com/?p=1083
Thanks for that compelling write-up Ben! At Sound and Vision we are even more sad we can’t be at Wikimania this year now!
Based on a session during the last Wikimania, we did this write-up on the future of video on Wikipedia from the GLAM perspective: https://www.beeldengeluid.nl/en/blogs/research-amp-development-en/201409/sou... https://www.beeldengeluid.nl/en/blogs/research-amp-development-en/201409/sound-and-vision-future-video-wikipedia
Really looking forward to see some report/write-ups of the outcomes of the video-related sessions from this years Wikimania!
Best,
Maarten
Post-Wikimania, would love to organize a call so we can plan further with interested folks.
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I had a quick look and this appears really promising. I mean this beta version is already awesome, you can even overlay 3d models to the video... And all the stuff smoothly happens in your browser!
Just one general questions:
* What happens if some of the resources disappears from the web or changes its content?
And a few notes to think about when linking this with Wikimedia Commons:
# Flattening of the video Even though this dynamic playback as done in Popcorn Maker as of now is smooth and "just works" in recent browsers, media files embedded into wiki articles should always be a plain/flattened version of this dynamic playback. (Preferrably in .webm) Just think about mobile clients to find the reason to do this. Another reason to allow only embedding of "flat" multimedia files is the possibility of offline playback.
# Storing Popcorn JSON Wherever the JSON is stored, there should be also be a clickable link to load the whole project into the Popcorn Maker.
What are the current proposals to store the JSON in a wiki?
# Licensing stuff This is probably the hardest part to get right. If some of the videos end up being uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, the file description needs to list every source in all cases as well as author and license in most cases.
# Uploading If the licensing stuff is solved, an easy way to upload the created video to Wikimedia Commons is needed. (Allowing both: Upload to a new file or overwrite an old file which updates the video) The respective Popcorn JSON of the file on Wikimedia Commons should be updated in the same run to match the current version of the video.
Marco
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From: benrito@gmail.com Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 19:10:04 +0200 To: wikivideo-l@lists.wikimedia.org; Mnolan@mozilla.com Subject: [Wikivideo-l] Popcorn Maker at Wikimania
Hi all,
If you are at Wikimania, please say hello to Michael Nolan, cc'd. Mike is currently interning at Mozilla and his focus is to help "white-label" Popcorn Maker, our browser-based video editor, so others can deploy it in their web apps. He's also a big free culture and access to knowledge advocate on his campus.
Mike is attending Wikimedia to understand potential use cases and to hopefully build a prototype showing how this could work on Commons.
If this sounds interesting, would encourage you to reach out: mnolan@mozilla.com. Mike will be attending the hackathon and most of the video-related conference sessions. Here is the repo where he's currently working: https://github.com/nolski/popcorn-editor
Some background: Popcorn Maker is something we have been working on for a few years at Mozilla. You can try it out here: http://popcorn.webmaker.org. We will be winding down Popcorn Maker as a Mozilla service over the next few months, but naturally as an open source project we are interested in seeing whether parts of Popcorn's source code can help solve problems for others.
Believe it or not, my motivation for helping to build Popcorn Maker stemmed from the 2010 era excitement around collaborative video editing on Wikimedia projects. I think that as far as media sequencing, remix and attribution goes, Popcorn is at least 80% of the way towards awesome and should be part of experiments on Labs & conversations on how the Wikimedia project should approach collaborative media production over the next few years. I wrote more on the opportunity here:
http://www.benmoskowitz.com/?p=1083
Post-Wikimania, would love to organize a call so we can plan further with interested folks.
Cheers! Ben
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**Sorry for this disgusting formatting done by outlook.com, let's hope this version makes it through correctly:**
I had a quick look and this appears really promising. I mean this beta version is already awesome, you can even overlay 3d models to the video... And all the stuff smoothly happens in your browser!
Just a few questions/notes to think about when linking this with Wikimedia Commons:
# What happens if some of the resources disappears from the web or changes its content?
# Flattening of the video Even though this dynamic playback as done in Popcorn Maker as of now is smooth and "just works" in recent browsers, media files embedded into wiki articles should always be a plain/flattened version of this dynamic playback. (Preferrably in .webm) Just think about mobile clients to find the reason to do this. Another reason to allow only embedding of "flat" multimedia files is the possibility of offline playback.
# Storing Popcorn JSON Wherever the JSON is stored, there should be also be a clickable link to load the whole project into the Popcorn Maker.
# What are the current proposals to store the JSON in a wiki?
# Licensing stuff This is probably the hardest part to get right. If some of the videos end up being uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, the file description needs to list every source in all cases as well as author and license in most cases.
# Uploading If the licensing stuff is solved, an easy way to upload the created video to Wikimedia Commons is needed. (Allowing both: Upload to a new file or overwrite an old file which updates the video) The respective Popcorn JSON of the file on Wikimedia Commons should be updated in the same run to match the current version of the video.
Marco
Hi Marco,
wie discussed it here in lengths, I may give a short summary:
popcorn.js is really cool and would be the perfect shortcut in the Schnittserver project. Implementing it seems to be relatively easy, as the Schnittserver serves all the WebMs as "previews" or proxy clips from the raw footage it hosts. As soon as a user is choosing to finalise / render a flat video, we would just need to transcode the JSON from popcorn.js into MLT XML and we can feed this right into the existing toolchain. So basically except the conversion JSON to XML all is already in place.
/Manuel
Awesome news. :D
-- brion
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Manuel Schneider < manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch> wrote:
Hi Marco,
wie discussed it here in lengths, I may give a short summary:
popcorn.js is really cool and would be the perfect shortcut in the Schnittserver project. Implementing it seems to be relatively easy, as the Schnittserver serves all the WebMs as "previews" or proxy clips from the raw footage it hosts. As soon as a user is choosing to finalise / render a flat video, we would just need to transcode the JSON from popcorn.js into MLT XML and we can feed this right into the existing toolchain. So basically except the conversion JSON to XML all is already in place.
/Manuel
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