Internet Archive has done some more work on it, I'll have to catch up on the current state of things.

-- brion

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Hi Brion,

Is there any progress on this video editor?

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:

One of the really cool ‘web maker’ projects that Mozilla sponsored in the last few years was Popcorn Maker https://popcorn.webmaker.org/,

an in-browser video editor that could take direct video clips or videos

from Youtube etc and let you remix to your heart’s content. (See Ben’s blog post from July http://www.benmoskowitz.com/?p=1083 and Mike’s presentation on Air Mozilla https://air.mozilla.org/mnolan/)

Obviously this capability is very attractive for the future of video on Wikipedia and other Wikimedia sites!

Unfortunately Mozilla has to shuffle priorities, and Popcorn Maker is on the outs https://blog.webmaker.org/product-update-for-appmaker-and-popcorn-maker.

Fortunately, there’s enough interest in the Wikimedia video world that we’re helping to pick it up!

Popcorn Editor is a standalone version https://github.com/mozilla/popcorn-editor#readme of the Popcorn Maker editor tool, and I’m going to be helping with integrating that into MediaWiki. We’ve got a milestone in the bug tracker https://github.com/mozilla/popcorn-editor/milestones/Wikimedia%20proof%20of%20concept and everything. [image: :)]

If you’re interested in helping out, we’re going to have some work sprints at WikiConference USA http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Main_Page next weekend in Washington, DC. Please come and help out!

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Hey all,

We made some great progress on the Internet Archive deployment, thanks to the technical leadership of Tracey Jaquith at the Archive (she’s cc’d):

https://archive.org/pop/ https://archive.org/pop/

The repository is here:

https://github.com/mozilla/popcorn-editor https://github.com/mozilla/popcorn-editor

We’re all really eager to resume conversations about how to leverage this work for the Wikimedia Commons.

Brion, Tracey, myself and a number of others were part of a meeting at NYU last year: http://benrito.github.io/video-commons2016/ http://benrito.github.io/video-commons2016/ One goal of that meeting was to get a better sense of the ecosystemic opportunities for open video that we could unlock with the help of public interest media orgs like WMF and the Archive.

If we can enable Victor’s use case below at some bigger scale, maybe envision some WikiEdu-style supports to teachers, that would create more incentives for public media producers, GLAMs, universities, MOOCs and others to contribute their video to the commons. Peter Kaufman, who I know is on this list, has done a lot of great analysis for education and public media donors on this.

We are planning on hosting a follow-up meeting in NYC or SF early this year; would be great to have Wikimedian representation to help figure out how we might carry this agenda forward. If anyone is interested in helping to organize or take part, please let me know.

A group of us used to meet on this semi-regularly in 2015; perhaps we could resume these meetings too...

Cheers, Ben

On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:

Thanks -

I just got this deletion notice a minute ago: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Wikipedia_... https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Wikipedia_Edit_2014.webm and an online video editor would help enormously when i have a complex montage and one little part gets flagged. If the sequence was online, anyone could modify as-needed.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Brion Vibber <brion@pobox.com mailto:brion@pobox.com> wrote: Internet Archive has done some more work on it, I'll have to catch up on the current state of things.

-- brion

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 7:30 AM Victor Grigas <vgrigas@wikimedia.org mailto:vgrigas@wikimedia.org> wrote: Hi Brion,

Is there any progress on this video editor?

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Brion Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org mailto:bvibber@wikimedia.org> wrote: One of the really cool ‘web maker’ projects that Mozilla sponsored in the last few years was Popcorn Maker https://popcorn.webmaker.org/,

an in-browser video editor that could take direct video clips or videos

from Youtube etc and let you remix to your heart’s content. (See Ben’s blog post from July http://www.benmoskowitz.com/?p=1083 and Mike’s presentation on Air Mozilla https://air.mozilla.org/mnolan/)

Obviously this capability is very attractive for the future of video on Wikipedia and other Wikimedia sites!

Unfortunately Mozilla has to shuffle priorities, and Popcorn Maker is on the outs https://blog.webmaker.org/product-update-for-appmaker-and-popcorn-maker.

Fortunately, there’s enough interest in the Wikimedia video world that we’re helping to pick it up!

Popcorn Editor is a standalone version https://github.com/mozilla/popcorn-editor#readme of the Popcorn Maker editor tool, and I’m going to be helping with integrating that into MediaWiki. We’ve got a milestone in the bug tracker https://github.com/mozilla/popcorn-editor/milestones/Wikimedia%20proof%20of%20concept and everything.

If you’re interested in helping out, we’re going to have some work sprints at WikiConference USA http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Main_Page next weekend in Washington, DC. Please come and help out!

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Thanks for reviving this conversation. I can see lots of potential use cases for such “juke boxing” in research and education - e.g. compiling video sequences so that a particular topic (say, the movements of the wrist while writing) can be better analyzed or taught. If such compilations are useful and freely available, they might also help in standardizing certain approaches (e.g. "we only considered wrist movements included in the Wiki et al. demo sequence").

Cheers, Daniel

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Andrew Lih andrew.lih@gmail.com wrote:

Ben, great to hear it. I’m happy to help out in this again.

We had Internet Archive participate at Wikiconference NA in San Diego this past October, but we focused more on link rot than on video. But I think we should now turn our attention more to Popcorn/video collaboration.

Victor and I have talked at length on the compelling use case for collaboration, and nothing is stronger than the “year end video” or “montage” application.

The “year end” video I made for North America was assembled by making a wide call for submissions, people leaving links and messages on a long Google Doc, and then me spending two long days video editing solo. I even called out the idea of using a potential collaborative system in front of the conference crowd after showing the video saying, “If only we had a collaborative way of editing this, right Brion?”

https://vimeo.com/186110631

Another use case is “juke boxing” a number of videos together into a “best of” video reel. Here’s an example of 26 minutes of the best videos about Wikipedia/Wikimedia I made this year to play at the beginning of events. We’ve used this at conferences, and edit-a-thons at the UN, BBC and museums in DC. It’s been very useful to provide a primer to those new to Wikipedia.

But it’s hard to add more videos or add translations. Rather than rendering this out into an MP4 and have me, personally, revise it, it would be great to have this as a collaborative project so people could keep upgrading it, or translate for other languages. Right now, I’m the bottleneck.

https://vimeo.com/191543645

-Andrew

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Benjamin Moskowitz benrito@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hey all,

We made some great progress on the Internet Archive deployment, thanks to the technical leadership of Tracey Jaquith at the Archive (she’s cc’d):

https://archive.org/pop/

The repository is here:

https://github.com/mozilla/popcorn-editor

We’re all really eager to resume conversations about how to leverage this work for the Wikimedia Commons.

Brion, Tracey, myself and a number of others were part of a meeting at NYU last year: http://benrito.github.io/video-commons2016/ One goal of that meeting was to get a better sense of the ecosystemic opportunities for open video that we could unlock with the help of public interest media orgs like WMF and the Archive.

If we can enable Victor’s use case below at some bigger scale, maybe envision some WikiEdu-style supports to teachers, that would create more incentives for public media producers, GLAMs, universities, MOOCs and others to contribute their video to the commons. Peter Kaufman, who I know is on this list, has done a lot of great analysis for education and public media donors on this.

We are planning on hosting a follow-up meeting in NYC or SF early this year; would be great to have Wikimedian representation to help figure out how we might carry this agenda forward. If anyone is interested in helping to organize or take part, please let me know.

A group of us used to meet on this semi-regularly in 2015; perhaps we could resume these meetings too...

Cheers, Ben

On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:

Thanks -

I just got this deletion notice a minute ago: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests /File:Wikipedia_Edit_2014.webm and an online video editor would help enormously when i have a complex montage and one little part gets flagged. If the sequence was online, anyone could modify as-needed.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:

...

Internet Archive has done some more work on it, I'll have to catch up on the current state of things.

-- brion

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 7:30 AM Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:

...

Hi Brion,

Is there any progress on this video editor?

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:

One of the really cool ‘web maker’ projects that Mozilla sponsored in the last few years was Popcorn Maker https://popcorn.webmaker.org/,

an in-browser video editor that could take direct video clips or videos

from Youtube etc and let you remix to your heart’s content. (See Ben’s blog post from July http://www.benmoskowitz.com/?p=1083 and Mike’s presentation on Air Mozilla https://air.mozilla.org/mnolan/)

Obviously this capability is very attractive for the future of video on Wikipedia and other Wikimedia sites!

Unfortunately Mozilla has to shuffle priorities, and Popcorn Maker is on the outs https://blog.webmaker.org/product-update-for-appmaker-and-popcorn-maker .

Fortunately, there’s enough interest in the Wikimedia video world that we’re helping to pick it up!

Popcorn Editor is a standalone version https://github.com/mozilla/popcorn-editor#readme of the Popcorn Maker editor tool, and I’m going to be helping with integrating that into MediaWiki. We’ve got a milestone in the bug tracker https://github.com/mozilla/popcorn-editor/milestones/Wikimedia%20proof%20of%20concept and everything. [image: :)]

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Would love to be involved; let me know when-ish you're targeting and I'll try to reserve some travel time. (February 12-16 I'll be in London for the IIIF A/V working group meeting, otherwise I don't think I have too much locked down on my schedule this winter/spring.) NY or SF doesn't make a big difference to me, I'll have to fly from Portland either way. :)

If we can get a Wikimedia-integrated setup of Popcorn Editor that allows embedding the results easily, that would be *aawweessoommee* for building presentations, "share"-able videos for social media, and educational materials in general, even if we don't have it directly sitting on Wikimedia Commons.

If I can break things down into a few parts (the frontend work on Popcorn, getting the backend renderer available and WebM-friendly, and getting social media sharing working) this should be doable. Some of this work will be in common with stuff I'm already planning to work on, like fixing how we manage the backend transcoding queues, and getting videos to play in social media shares.

The need for easy translation and other reuse -- and for easy batch uploading! -- also gives me something I can point to for why another push for direct MP4 support would be useful on the Wikimedia end. We've worked around some of those problems "the hard way" (with Ogg/WebM playback via JS or customized native iOS app) but others we still have no good solution for (uploading is still painful and some of the tools people use for converting from MP4 have been temporarily disabled due to queue backup; we're looking at using IA as an intermediary converter plus backup/archive/share-out).

-- brion

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Benjamin Moskowitz benrito@gmail.com wrote:

Hey all,

We made some great progress on the Internet Archive deployment, thanks to the technical leadership of Tracey Jaquith at the Archive (she’s cc’d):

https://archive.org/pop/

The repository is here:

https://github.com/mozilla/popcorn-editor

We’re all really eager to resume conversations about how to leverage this work for the Wikimedia Commons.

Brion, Tracey, myself and a number of others were part of a meeting at NYU last year: http://benrito.github.io/video-commons2016/ One goal of that meeting was to get a better sense of the ecosystemic opportunities for open video that we could unlock with the help of public interest media orgs like WMF and the Archive.

If we can enable Victor’s use case below at some bigger scale, maybe envision some WikiEdu-style supports to teachers, that would create more incentives for public media producers, GLAMs, universities, MOOCs and others to contribute their video to the commons. Peter Kaufman, who I know is on this list, has done a lot of great analysis for education and public media donors on this.

We are planning on hosting a follow-up meeting in NYC or SF early this year; would be great to have Wikimedian representation to help figure out how we might carry this agenda forward. If anyone is interested in helping to organize or take part, please let me know.

A group of us used to meet on this semi-regularly in 2015; perhaps we could resume these meetings too...

Cheers, Ben

On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:

Thanks -

I just got this deletion notice a minute ago: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_ requests/File:Wikipedia_Edit_2014.webm and an online video editor would help enormously when i have a complex montage and one little part gets flagged. If the sequence was online, anyone could modify as-needed.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Brion Vibber brion@pobox.com wrote:

...

Internet Archive has done some more work on it, I'll have to catch up on the current state of things.

-- brion

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 7:30 AM Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:

...

Hi Brion,

Is there any progress on this video editor?

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:

One of the really cool ‘web maker’ projects that Mozilla sponsored in the last few years was Popcorn Maker https://popcorn.webmaker.org/,

an in-browser video editor that could take direct video clips or videos

from Youtube etc and let you remix to your heart’s content. (See Ben’s blog post from July http://www.benmoskowitz.com/?p=1083 and Mike’s presentation on Air Mozilla https://air.mozilla.org/mnolan/)

Obviously this capability is very attractive for the future of video on Wikipedia and other Wikimedia sites!

Unfortunately Mozilla has to shuffle priorities, and Popcorn Maker is on the outs https://blog.webmaker.org/product-update-for-appmaker-and-popcorn-maker .

Fortunately, there’s enough interest in the Wikimedia video world that we’re helping to pick it up!

Popcorn Editor is a standalone version https://github.com/mozilla/popcorn-editor#readme of the Popcorn Maker editor tool, and I’m going to be helping with integrating that into MediaWiki. We’ve got a milestone in the bug tracker https://github.com/mozilla/popcorn-editor/milestones/Wikimedia%20proof%20of%20concept and everything. [image: :)]

If you’re interested in helping out, we’re going to have some work sprints at WikiConference USA http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Main_Page next weekend in Washington, DC. Please come and help out!

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Great idea. I'm planning to be there from some time tomorrow morning through Noam, Katherine, and Tim's panel.

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On January 14, 2017 at 12:32 PM Pharos pharosofalexandria@gmail.com wrote:

If anyone would like to join Wikipedia Day in NYC at the Ace Hotel tomorrow, we can have an open space session devoted to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikipedia_Day_2017

Thanks,
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On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brion Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org mailto:bvibber@wikimedia.org > wrote:

    > >         Would love to be involved; let me know when-ish you're targeting and I'll try to reserve some travel time. (February 12-16 I'll be in London for the IIIF A/V working group meeting, otherwise I don't think I have too much locked down on my schedule this winter/spring.) NY or SF doesn't make a big difference to me, I'll have to fly from Portland either way. :)

...

    If we can get a Wikimedia-integrated setup of Popcorn Editor that allows embedding the results easily, that would be *aawweessoommee* for building presentations, "share"-able videos for social media, and educational materials in general, even if we don't have it directly sitting on Wikimedia Commons.

    If I can break things down into a few parts (the frontend work on Popcorn, getting the backend renderer available and WebM-friendly, and getting social media sharing working) this should be doable. Some of this work will be in common with stuff I'm already planning to work on, like fixing how we manage the backend transcoding queues, and getting videos to play in social media shares.


    The need for easy translation and other reuse -- and for easy batch uploading! -- also gives me something I can point to for why another push for direct MP4 support would be useful on the Wikimedia end. We've worked around some of those problems "the hard way" (with Ogg/WebM playback via JS or customized native iOS app) but others we still have no good solution for (uploading is still painful and some of the tools people use for converting from MP4 have been temporarily disabled due to queue backup; we're looking at using IA as an intermediary converter plus backup/archive/share-out).

    -- brion




    On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Benjamin Moskowitz <benrito@gmail.com mailto:benrito@gmail.com > wrote:

        > > >             Hey all,

...

        We made some great progress on the Internet Archive deployment, thanks to the technical leadership of Tracey Jaquith at the Archive (she’s cc’d):

        https://archive.org/pop/

        The repository is here:

        https://github.com/mozilla/popcorn-editor https://github.com/mozilla/popcorn-editor

        We’re all really eager to resume conversations about how to leverage this work for the Wikimedia Commons.

        Brion, Tracey, myself and a number of others were part of a meeting at NYU last year: http://benrito.github.io/video-commons2016/ http://benrito.github.io/video-commons2016/  One goal of that meeting was to get a better sense of the ecosystemic opportunities for open video that we could unlock with the help of public interest media orgs like WMF and the Archive. 

        If we can enable Victor’s use case below at some bigger scale, maybe envision some WikiEdu-style supports to teachers, that would create more incentives for public media producers, GLAMs, universities, MOOCs and others to contribute their video to the commons. Peter Kaufman, who I know is on this list, has done a lot of great analysis for education and public media donors on this.

        We are planning on hosting a follow-up meeting in NYC or SF early this year; would be great to have Wikimedian representation to help figure out how we might carry this agenda forward. If anyone is interested in helping to organize or take part, please let me know.

        A group of us used to meet on this semi-regularly in 2015; perhaps we could resume these meetings too...

        Cheers,
        Ben


            > > > >                 On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:54 PM, Victor Grigas <vgrigas@wikimedia.org mailto:vgrigas@wikimedia.org > wrote:

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            Thanks - 

            I just got this deletion notice a minute ago:
            https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Wikipedia_Edit_2014.webm https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Wikipedia_Edit_2014.webm
            and an online video editor would help enormously when i have a complex montage and one little part gets flagged. If the sequence was online, anyone could modify as-needed.



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                > > > > >                     Internet Archive has done some more work on it, I'll have to catch up on the current state of things.

...

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                    > > > > > >                         Hi Brion, 

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                    Is there any progress on this video editor?


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