Hi everyone,
any thoughts on this IndieGoGo campaign?
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mox-file-format/x/4029267
I'm a sucker of supporting this kind of projects (I also backed the
openshot 2 kickstarter
<https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/421164014/openshot-video-editor-for-wi…>),
but I'm not sure if this initiative could fill the gap we experience in
sharing high quality footage. What do you think?
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> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 12:17:43 +0100
> From: Sebastiaan ter Burg <terburg(a)wikimedia.nl>
> To: wikivideo-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikivideo-l] MOX file format
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> Hi everyone,
>
> any thoughts on this IndieGoGo campaign?
> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mox-file-format/x/4029267
>
> I'm a sucker of supporting this kind of projects (I also backed the
> openshot 2 kickstarter
> <
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/421164014/openshot-video-editor-for-wi…
>),
> but I'm not sure if this initiative could fill the gap we experience in
> sharing high quality footage. What do you think?
>
> --
> Sebastiaan ter Burg
> *Projectleider Culturele Samenwerking*
> *Wikimedia Nederland*
>From their funding page
" MOX will read and play consistently on Mac, Windows, Linux, or any other
platform. This is because MOX will be an open format based on open
standards"
Ha. If it was really that easy to get interopability we'd be living in the
land of ogg and webm. (Arguably there may be less lock in in the pro
market, but stil-open source is not interopability magic)
So the tech summary of this (afaict. Im not a video expert so correct me if
im wrong) they are taking a container format aimed at pro users named mxf,
which is much like tiff in that it can contain anything and hence has
interopability problems as you never know whats inside. They are taking mxf
making a profile of it called mox which is limitted to free codecs, and
specificly codecs that a pro would want to use (lossless or high quality
lossless) as an intermediary format.
The codecs are one of: Dirac, OpenEXR, DPX,PNG, and JPEG.
Dirac is an interestng choice. I suppose its chosen because it has a
lossless option, but from what i understand its very slow to encode, so i
wouldnt think its suitable for this usage (maybe im mistaken). The other
codecs are just image codecs.
Dpx is an interesting choice given this groups goals as wikipedia describes
it as "non-free SMPTE standard, 17 pages, USD 120" (although maybe that
only refers to the standard. There exists free software implementations)
The audio codecs are: flac, opus and raw pcm. Flac and pcm are lossless,
opus is a high quality lossy codec.
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Im unsure what exactly the issues with sharing high quality footage are,
but I assume there are three:
* file size - 1gb limit on commons (and realistically >100mb is flaky)
*social -some people worry about dumping source material on commons. I
think this concern is overblown but one should not underestimate social
problems
*inconvinent formats -ogg/webm is hard to convert to. Aimed at end use not
intermediary use.
This could help with the third point potentially (in the far future if it
becomes an industry std, which is a big "if". Open source projects fail all
the time). I think there is probably more we can do on the format front.
Its a complex issue, but im pretty sure not all avenues have been
exhausted, or perhaps even explored.
An approach that may lead to more immediate results is something like
pro-res (if unpatented) which allegedly is decodable in ffmpeg (unpatented
and decodable in ffmpeg is basically the criteria for enabling a new format
on commons), and also has the benefit of existing right now
--bawolff
Dear all,
Wikimedia Commons has a feature called "sideloading" or "copy upload".
It means that you can provide Wikimedia Commons with a link to a media
file and the wiki would download it from there and import it into
Commons, just like a regular upload.
This is especially useful for bigger files as it allow much bigger files
(1 GB at the moment). Until today this could only be used via the API,
so an external tool was neccessary to trigger such a sideloading process.
Now you can use this feature right from the upload form
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload
Note there are still some hurdles:
* sideloading is only allowed for users of the groups "Image Reviewer"
or "GW Toolset User" - experienced Commoners uploading regularly it
shouldn't be a problem to get that
* sideloading is only allowed from certain domains - as a security
feature - if you want to use your own server regularly you need to
report a bug to get your domain activated as well
* sideloading takes some time - dependant on the bandwidth between the
two servers. After one minute any request to Wikimedia Commons will be
aborted. If the download has not finished within that minute, the upload
fails. There is a experimental feature which allows such processes to
run in the background and I am working to get that activated on Commons
as well:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72531
If you want a simple script to do "chunked uploads" up to 1 GB you can
use my php library:
* https://github.com/masterssystems/phpapibot
check examples/upload for a ready to use script
Regards,
Manuel
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Lausanne, +41 (21) 34066-22 - www.wikimedia.ch
Hello Wikivideo subscribers,
As some of you may have heard, we are forming a new Multimedia team at the Wikimedia Foundation, to enable easier viewing , contribution, curation, discovery and publishing of multimedia content to Wikimedia projects. You can read more about this program and our first plans on this project hub:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Multimedia
To support this program, we plan to set up a new Multimedia list in coming days, to discuss key issues and new features related to images, sound and video on our sites.
At the recommendation of WMF's platform engineering director Rob Lanphier, we propose to shut down this Wikivideo list (which has apparently been dormant for months), and move its subscriber list over to the new Multimedia list, with your permission.
What do you think? Any questions or comments about this proposal to transfer the subscriber list from Wikivideo to multimedia?
If we don't hear any objections by the end of the week (July 30), we propose to subscribe you to that list by the end of this month.
If there are objections, we can remove those names at the time we make the transfer. Alternatively, we could ask everyone to resubscribe to the new list, but that seems like a lot of unnecessary work for the 90 subscribers to this Wikivideo list.
To be clear, this proposed change means that any posts about video issues which we would have made to the old Wikivideo list will now be made on this new multimedia list. So you would be missing out on useful information about video if you do not subscribe to the new multimedia list.
Also note that the multimedia list will also include useful information on a variety of related topics, from improvements to the upload wizard to the creation of new media viewers and other tools.
Thanks in advance for your feedback. We look forward to some interesting discussions between community members and WMF product teams on this important initiative.
Best regards,
Fabrice Florin
Product Manager, Multimedia
Wikimedia Foundation
fflorin(a)wikimedia.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)
@fabriceflorin
Jean-Frédéric, 21/04/2013 01:23:
> We used to have UniversalSubtitles [1] support on Wikimedia Commons (and
> it was awesome)
>
> Since the removal/deprecation/painful death of mwEmbed/multimedia beta
> [2] this is gone.
>
> Any chance we might have that back? If so, how? Who must be harrassed to
> that end?
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
> (Not sure which list to send that − wikitech-l, wikivideo-l ? Feel free
> to forward around)
wikivideo-l
>
> [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Universal_Subtitles
> [2] The help page about it was even deleted last month…
Please get it restored.
Nemo
Hi, Andrew:
This sounds great - happy to help in really any way!
Intelligent Television - a NY prodco - has shot some original hi-def video for Wikipedia - footage in the classroom of linear algebra taught to camera by Gil Strang at MIT last year; footage of Richard Stallman this year explaining F/LOSS direct to camera - and edited video and WP articles together with MIT Open Courseware and WP's SJ Klein to illustrate some of Newton's principles of physics as taught by popular MIT prof Walter Lewin. Also to advance some of the rights clearance, citation, & attribution best practices for video and free/open video now emerging.
See also the advances - slow & chelonian as they may be - of the new UK-gov't-funded citations working group described by the British Library yesterday at the bottom of this message.
There's a Ford-Foundation-supported resource called Video for Wikipedia and the Open Web: A Guide to Best Practices for Cultural and Educational Institutions online under "Advanced GLAM Projects" at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/US/Bookshelf
Some of the physics video from MIT is now in WP with citations and links back here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion
Some of the Stallman video is online waiting for its WP closeup here:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCA6F831130F04B18&feature=view_all
Hopefully reincarnation is more than a theory and we will have a next life in which to see more progress in this field. If not though we should hurry and get more done.
-- Peter.
Peter B. Kaufman
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<<Audiovisual Citation: Guidelines for referencing sound and moving image resources
Despite the exponential increase in the use of audiovisual material in teaching, learning and research in higher and further education, existing guidelines for the referencing of sound and moving image are insufficient as they are based on standards developed for the written word. This has the effect of discouraging the citing of sound and moving image, as well as creating barriers in its discovery, use and re-use.
In 2011, the British Universities Film & Video Council (BUFVC) established a citation working group comprised of academics, researchers, journal editors, archivists and representatives from the British Library to address this key issue. Since 2012 this ground-breaking work has been incorporated into the BUFVC Shared Services Project, funded by the Higher Education Funding Council for England (HEFCE).
The guidelines will cover: film, television programmes, radio programmes, audio recordings, DVD extras including interviews and commentaries, clips, trailers, adverts, idents, stings, non-broadcast material (catalogued and not catalogued), podcasts, vodcasts and DVD study materials.
The guidelines have been shaped by the diversity of sound andmoving image materials requiring citation and will be open to future updates to ensure they effectivelyrespond to advances in technology, development of new media platforms and the needs of the user.
The citation standards will be robustly tested prior to publication and will beapplicable to a wide range of different users across all disciplines.
Timescale
The citation guidelines for sound and moving imagewill be published in March 2013 and reviewed periodically.
Contact
For more information please see the BUFVC website: http://bufvc.ac.uk/avcitation
Email: avcitation(a)bufvc.ac.uk
Join the discussion on Twitter @bufvc #AVcitation
Additional information:
Expert quote
". . . there is not yet a uniform set of citation standards in education for quoting and referencing either moving images or recorded sound. For academics to gain greater confidence in the use of moving image and sound content in research and publication, they will require the standardisation of citation and the assurance that collections will hold material and sustain collections on the same basis as print material."
Gerhardt, Paul and Peter B. Kaufman,Film and Sound in Higher and Further Education: A Progress Report With Ten Strategic Recommendations (HEFCE, 2011). http://filmandsoundthinktank.jisc.ac.uk/ch4-strategic-recommendations
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Richard Ranft
The British Library
Sound and Vision>>
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Lih [mailto:andrew.lih@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 06:50 PM
To: wikivideo-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikivideo-l] Wiki Makes Video project
Hi all,
Thought I'd let you know about this proposal for a Wikipedia-oriented video project, and welcome your feedback and comments there at the bottom of the page.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wiki_Makes_Video
More details about the particulars of the video efforts so far, undertaken by my two students:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Fuzheado/Video_project
-Andrew