Thanks again Brian, it intended to be a more generic/rhetorical question, rather than aimed directly at you. With matters like this, it is often the situation of asking the question that challenges the status quo position. To me it was/is not evident that we have recently asked the question of why do we still retain local editing tabs for images at Commons. While it was suggested to do a bugzilla, I do not see that a bugzilla is the means to address this as it is not so much a technological decision, but instead a community decision over a process.
I would see that this may be more about an RFC at meta that proposes that the default for WMF wikis becomes no local editing tabs, though allows local wikis to have the ability to turn on the paired local tabs by local decision. So prior to launching such a discussion, could someone with the hacking knowledge address how much programming change would be required to have the situation of * on File: ns, that for files at Commons, that the local tab can be turned off as the default, and that local communities can have the ability to turn on local tabs * that where the above is set, that where local File: exist (in combination with Commons File:), that the local ability to edit File: is unaffected
Such an approach would seem to fit within the design of where some communities have local upload, and for those that do not.
That gives the means for starting an RFC to propose the change to the broader community, and will provide the solution for communities who wish to opt out. Such an RFC should also address for local wikis, what local tabs is provided to get editing available to files at Commons.
So as we have the views of many of the communities and the hackers, does that sound like a reasonable approach to take to progress this matter?
Regards, Billinghurst
On Tue, 8 Apr 2014 15:00:54 -0300, Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com wrote:
I actually agree with the encouraging people to go to commons, however there's probably a limit to what we can do with the tabs while still
having
a tab for creating local descriptions, which can be useful sometimes.
Of course translatewiki takes the approach of just disabling edits in
the
File namespace ( http://translatewiki.net/wiki/File:Example.png ), so
there
is always that. I think there was some suggestion of having an "edit on commons" tab but as the commit summary noted ( https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/104182/ ) there is the potential for users to be confused about where they are editing and that suddenly they are on another site (doubly so if not a wikimedia wiki with no sul)
Anyways, i should reiterate, the thanks should go to [[User:This,_that_and_the_other]] who actually pushed the change
forward,
all I did was send some outreach notices about it.
Cheers, Bawolff
On Apr 8, 2014 7:26 AM, "billinghurst" billinghurst@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Brian. I do wonder why we would encourage a local description, when there is better value (IMO) in having additional language description to the file at Commons.
Regards, Billinghurst
On Tue, 8 Apr 2014 00:28:46 -0300, Brian Wolff bawolff@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi folks,
tl;dr : The navigation tabs at the top of pages like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Henri_Rousseau_009.jpg, are soon going to look like
http://deployment.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/File:16001000395904-Kiruna...
This is a small change, but its a UI change, so I thought a mail to wikitech-ambassadors couldn't hurt. [[User:This,_that_and_the_other]] recently made a cool change to how the tabs of image pages on local wikis (wikipedia, etc) for files on commons, work. Previously such a page displayed a "create" tab, and generally looked like what the
tabs
look like for a page that doesn't exist. For example, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Henri_Rousseau_009.jpg . After
this
change there will be tabs for "View this image on Wikimedia Commons" and "Create local description" (or "Edit local description" if it already exists). There will be no changes to file pages at commons,
or
the file pages of locally uploaded files.
The change is part of 1.23wmf22, and will probably go live on April
10
to test.wikipedia.org/test2.wikipedia.org/mediawiki.org,
non-wikipedia
sister projects on April 15, and Wikipedias on April 17. (See deployment calender at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.23/Roadmap#Schedule_for_the_deplo...
for details on the deployment schedule )
You can view a screenshot of what it will look like at
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:New_foreign_repo_file_tabs.png
. You can test it out for real right now at beta wiki
http://deployment.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/File:16001000395904-Kiruna...
--bawolff
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