Dear ALL In the light of consolidating plans for Wikispore, it would be desirable also to advance Communication. Last meetings made me think how we have spectrum of people who have focus on different aspects of work and can feel a bit estranged when we are discussing just one tech, content, organizing, finances, outreach...
We are far from being ripe as a community and many of us have not worked together, so to get closer to a flow and get ready for actions I would suggest we at least share overview and ideally connect some of existing channels but also have their mindful use and attention of peers.
Seems like there are many options already:
#0 Wikispore.org's Centralized discussion https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/Greenhouse *(my impression is under-used not attended/maintained)
#1 mailing list as lowest level standard great for non-urgent solid info as has most people and searchable archive *(my impression is that it should remain official and public)
#2 telegram group has 24 people and bit more active, was especially so after the birthday online event *(my impression is that it will be relevant for social aspects)
#3 Wikimedia Chat channel #wikispore with 13 people was so far tech topics focused like WIKISPORE-Tech(?) https://chat.wmcloud.org/wikimedia/channels/wikispore *(my impression is that it should be explicitly so + IRC linked)
#4 IRC ... did we even start using IRC? Who would? When?
I know few people avoid messengers and would like to stick to not only Free/Libre/OpenSourceSoftware, but also standards, so it would be important to bridge (technically and socially) both Wikisporians and activities relating to Wikispore.
Please reply if you want to join or avoid any of the channels directly to Richard/Pharos and me to advance this situation. If you have an observation or other input please email the list!
Best Z. Blace *(sorry for taking much space but wanna get us move)
I'm not sure about IRC, but there is a Matrix room: https://matrix.to/#/#wikispore:matrix.org
Personally, I think on-wiki discussion is best, but it's pretty hard to keep up to date with it. That's changing, with the new discussion tools, but it seems that in general it's discouraging to most people. I quite like Telegram (despite it being closed and silo'd), so long as it's assumed to be ephemeral and immediate.
On 5/9/22 14:10, Željko Blaće wrote:
Dear ALL In the light of consolidating plans for Wikispore, it would be desirable also to advance Communication. Last meetings made me think how we have spectrum of people who have focus on different aspects of work and can feel a bit estranged when we are discussing just one tech, content, organizing, finances, outreach...
We are far from being ripe as a community and many of us have not worked together, so to get closer to a flow and get ready for actions I would suggest we at least share overview and ideally connect some of existing channels but also have their mindful use and attention of peers.
Seems like there are many options already:
#0 Wikispore.org's Centralized discussion https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/Greenhouse *(my impression is under-used not attended/maintained)
#1 mailing list as lowest level standard great for non-urgent solid info as has most people and searchable archive *(my impression is that it should remain official and public)
#2 telegram group has 24 people and bit more active, was especially so after the birthday online event *(my impression is that it will be relevant for social aspects)
#3 Wikimedia Chat channel #wikispore with 13 people was so far tech topics focused like WIKISPORE-Tech(?) https://chat.wmcloud.org/wikimedia/channels/wikispore *(my impression is that it should be explicitly so + IRC linked)
#4 IRC ... did we even start using IRC? Who would? When?
I know few people avoid messengers and would like to stick to not only Free/Libre/OpenSourceSoftware, but also standards, so it would be important to bridge (technically and socially) both Wikisporians and activities relating to Wikispore.
Please reply if you want to join or avoid any of the channels directly to Richard/Pharos and me to advance this situation. If you have an observation or other input please email the list!
Best Z. Blace *(sorry for taking much space but wanna get us move) _______________________________________________ Wikispore mailing list -- wikispore@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikispore-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 8:52 AM Sam Wilson sam@samwilson.id.au wrote:
I'm not sure about IRC, but there is a Matrix room: https://matrix.to/#/#wikispore:matrix.org
Cool, thanks for that info!
Personally, I think on-wiki discussion is best, but it's pretty hard to keep up to date with it.
Good that you also think so. Now also let's practice... Please add that info and remark how was matrix attended and used so far https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/Talk:Greenhouse#COMMunication_Standards.2...
That's changing, with the new discussion tools, but it seems that in general it's discouraging to most people. I quite like Telegram (despite it being closed and silo'd), so long as it's assumed to be ephemeral and immediate.
I agree. Also there is no single tool that fits all needs, so having overview and shared understanding would be a start, then connecting and maybe favoring FLOSS+standards.
Best Z.
I have added the Matrix Wikispore to my never-very-active list of rooms.
Regarding the chat.wmcloud.org Wikispore forum that was relatively active in 2020, and is still mentioned on the Greenhouse page, has that (Mattermost) service been deprecated? For some time, it has just gone to a login page for me, demanding an email verification that never arrives.
Ignore my query about chat.wmcloud.org Wikispore forum. No sooner had I written it than a verification email arrived this time. The curse of the Helpdesk: reporting an exception that comes right!
Another update: WIKISPORE-tech group on telegram created *(just made Gergo and Richard co-admins), https://t.me/+mRPHp9lWc4dkNjY0 Consider joining or wait for the bridge to WM Chat :-)
On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 8:52 AM Sam Wilson sam@samwilson.id.au wrote:
I'm not sure about IRC, but there is a Matrix room: https://matrix.to/#/#wikispore:matrix.org
Personally, I think on-wiki discussion is best, but it's pretty hard to keep up to date with it. That's changing, with the new discussion tools, but it seems that in general it's discouraging to most people. I quite like Telegram (despite it being closed and silo'd), so long as it's assumed to be ephemeral and immediate.
On 5/9/22 14:10, Željko Blaće wrote:
Dear ALL In the light of consolidating plans for Wikispore, it would be desirable also to advance Communication. Last meetings made me think how we have spectrum of people who have focus on different aspects of work and can feel a bit estranged when we are discussing just one tech, content, organizing, finances, outreach...
We are far from being ripe as a community and many of us have not worked together, so to get closer to a flow and get ready for actions I would suggest we at least share overview and ideally connect some of existing channels but also have their mindful use and attention of peers.
Seems like there are many options already:
#0 Wikispore.org's Centralized discussion https://wikispore.wmflabs.org/wiki/Greenhouse *(my impression is under-used not attended/maintained)
#1 mailing list as lowest level standard great for non-urgent solid info as has most people and searchable archive *(my impression is that it should remain official and public)
#2 telegram group has 24 people and bit more active, was especially so after the birthday online event *(my impression is that it will be relevant for social aspects)
#3 Wikimedia Chat channel #wikispore with 13 people was so far tech topics focused like WIKISPORE-Tech(?) https://chat.wmcloud.org/wikimedia/channels/wikispore *(my impression is that it should be explicitly so + IRC linked)
#4 IRC ... did we even start using IRC? Who would? When?
I know few people avoid messengers and would like to stick to not only Free/Libre/OpenSourceSoftware, but also standards, so it would be important to bridge (technically and socially) both Wikisporians and activities relating to Wikispore.
Please reply if you want to join or avoid any of the channels directly to Richard/Pharos and me to advance this situation. If you have an observation or other input please email the list!
Best Z. Blace *(sorry for taking much space but wanna get us move) _______________________________________________ Wikispore mailing list -- wikispore@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikispore-leave@lists.wikimedia.org