Thanks for your input. We do accept donation. It is non-profit organizationhttp://www.myanmarwikipedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=Portal:communityhaving same policy as Wikipedia Foundation.
We will correct donation page description.
Thanks, Okisan
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Michael Everson everson@evertype.comwrote:
At 09:23 +0900 2008-07-27, Kyaw Tun wrote:
OK. You have been kicked out from http://myanmarwikipedia.org/myanmarwikipedia.org. No more testing.
Well, this is troubling. And so is this
http://www.myanmarwikipedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=Myanmar_Wikipedia:Site_... where it appears that the owners of that version are trying to use the Wikipedia's name to make some money. There's even a PayPal link.
And yet Okisan has attacked me and Htoo Myint Naung on public forums, alleging that we are trying to use my.wikipedia.org to make money from users. Isn't that strange? And the reason he did it? Because of the content of a newspaper article. -- Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com
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2008/7/27 Kyaw Tun kyawtuns@gmail.com:
Thanks for your input. We do accept donation. It is non-profit organization having same policy as Wikipedia Foundation.
Okisan,
the point here is that myanmarwikipedia.org is using the name "Wikipedia" and a version of the Wikipedia logo without permission from the Wikimedia Foundation, which owns international trademark rights to this name, and the copyright to the logo and any derivative version.
This is an unauthorized use, and whatever your intentions are, you are in violation of national and international copyright and trademark law if you continue it. The fact that you are soliciting money in someone else's name is making matters worse.
I would ask you at this point to take down myanmarwikipedia.org and to work with us in figuring out a solution for the Myanmar Wikipedia community that makes sense. We are willing to support technical development of automatic converters, so that users can be active in a single community. We are not predisposed to any particular solution, except for a desire to promote open source and open standards as we move forward.
You are _not_ legally permitted to continue to use the name myanmarwikipedia.org and the Wikipedia logo in the manner in which you are using it. Please stop.
Dear Mr Moeller,
Thanks for your clear message.
We will change logo to the one attached. And domain name to wikimyanmar.org.
Let me know it is agreedable to Wikipedia Foundation. We will do the changes in two day time.
BTW, myanmarwikipeida.org is registerred by Ko Ngwe Tun.
Sorry for inconvienent cause.
Best regards, Okisan
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
2008/7/27 Kyaw Tun kyawtuns@gmail.com:
Thanks for your input. We do accept donation. It is non-profit
organization
having same policy as Wikipedia Foundation.
Okisan,
the point here is that myanmarwikipedia.org is using the name "Wikipedia" and a version of the Wikipedia logo without permission from the Wikimedia Foundation, which owns international trademark rights to this name, and the copyright to the logo and any derivative version.
This is an unauthorized use, and whatever your intentions are, you are in violation of national and international copyright and trademark law if you continue it. The fact that you are soliciting money in someone else's name is making matters worse.
I would ask you at this point to take down myanmarwikipedia.org and to work with us in figuring out a solution for the Myanmar Wikipedia community that makes sense. We are willing to support technical development of automatic converters, so that users can be active in a single community. We are not predisposed to any particular solution, except for a desire to promote open source and open standards as we move forward.
You are _not_ legally permitted to continue to use the name myanmarwikipedia.org and the Wikipedia logo in the manner in which you are using it. Please stop. -- Erik Möller aDeputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation
Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
Dear Mr Moeller,
Thanks for your clear message.
We will change logo to the one attached. And domain name to wikimyanmar.org.
Let me know it is agreedable to Wikipedia Foundation. We will do the changes in two day time.
BTW, myanmarwikipeida.org is registerred by Ko Ngwe Tun.
Sorry for inconvienent cause.
Best regards, Okisan
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
2008/7/27 Kyaw Tun kyawtuns@gmail.com:
Thanks for your input. We do accept donation. It is non-profit
organization
having same policy as Wikipedia Foundation.
Okisan,
the point here is that myanmarwikipedia.org is using the name "Wikipedia" and a version of the Wikipedia logo without permission from the Wikimedia Foundation, which owns international trademark rights to this name, and the copyright to the logo and any derivative version.
This is an unauthorized use, and whatever your intentions are, you are in violation of national and international copyright and trademark law if you continue it. The fact that you are soliciting money in someone else's name is making matters worse.
I would ask you at this point to take down myanmarwikipedia.org and to work with us in figuring out a solution for the Myanmar Wikipedia community that makes sense. We are willing to support technical development of automatic converters, so that users can be active in a single community. We are not predisposed to any particular solution, except for a desire to promote open source and open standards as we move forward.
You are _not_ legally permitted to continue to use the name myanmarwikipedia.org and the Wikipedia logo in the manner in which you are using it. Please stop. -- Erik Möller aDeputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation
Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
2008/7/27 Kyaw Tun kyawtuns@gmail.com:
We will change logo to the one attached. And domain name to wikimyanmar.org. Let me know it is agreedable to Wikipedia Foundation. We will do the changes in two day time.
Legally, that is fine. Practically, I find it sad. The Wikimedia Foundation has been more than willing to support technical improvements that make the Myanmar Wikipedia more accessible to a larger number of users. The method you have chosen, the creation of a separate community, will not scale, and we cannot support it.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
2008/7/27 Kyaw Tun kyawtuns@gmail.com:
We will change logo to the one attached. And domain name to
wikimyanmar.org.
Let me know it is agreedable to Wikipedia Foundation. We will do the
changes
in two day time.
Legally, that is fine.
Thanks.
Practically, I find it sad.
Me too. I feel more sad than you.
The Wikimedia Foundation has been more than willing to support technical improvements that make the Myanmar Wikipedia more accessible to a larger number of users.
I doubt it.
The method you have chosen, the creation of a separate community, will not scale, and we cannot support it.
True. But no choice.
-- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation
Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
Best regards, Okisan
This is the first time I cry in Japan.
Okisan.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Kyaw Tun kyawtuns@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
2008/7/27 Kyaw Tun kyawtuns@gmail.com:
We will change logo to the one attached. And domain name to
wikimyanmar.org.
Let me know it is agreedable to Wikipedia Foundation. We will do the
changes
in two day time.
Legally, that is fine.
Thanks.
Practically, I find it sad.
Me too. I feel more sad than you.
The Wikimedia Foundation has been more than willing to support technical improvements that make the Myanmar Wikipedia more accessible to a larger number of users.
I doubt it.
The method you have chosen, the creation of a separate community, will not scale, and we cannot support it.
True. But no choice.
-- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation
Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
Best regards, Okisan
At 09:27 +0900 2008-07-28, Kyaw Tun wrote:
The method you have chosen, the creation of a separate community, will not scale, and we cannot support it.
True. But no choice.
That is NOT TRUE. You have a choice.
Kyaw Tun wrote:
The Wikimedia Foundation has been more than willing to support technical improvements that make the Myanmar Wikipedia more accessible to a larger number of users.I doubt it.
Why do you doubt it? You have me here personally telling you that we want to do this.
The method you have chosen, the creation of a separate community, will not scale, and we cannot support it.True. But no choice.
Why do you say "no choice"? You have a choice.
--Jimbo
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:21 AM, Jimmy Wales jwales@wikia.com wrote:
Kyaw Tun wrote:
The Wikimedia Foundation has been more than willing to support technical improvements that make the Myanmar Wikipedia more accessible to a larger number of users. I doubt it.
Why do you doubt it? You have me here personally telling you that we want to do this.
Just "we want to do this" is not enough. You have to do it right.
The method you have chosen, the creation of a
separate community, will not scale, and we cannot support it.
True. But no choice.
Why do you say "no choice"? You have a choice.
It is not me, of course I have any choice. But the poeple don't have a choice.
--Jimbo
Okisan
Kyaw Tun wrote:
The Wikimedia Foundation has been more than willing to support technical improvements that make the Myanmar Wikipedia more accessible to a larger number of users. I doubt it. Why do you doubt it? You have me here personally telling you that we want to do this.Just "we want to do this" is not enough. You have to do it right.
What am I doing wrong? I want to do it right.
The method you have chosen, the creation of a separate community, will not scale, and we cannot support it. True. But no choice. Why do you say "no choice"? You have a choice.It is not me, of course I have any choice. But the poeple don't have a choice.
Of course the people have a choice. I don't know why you suggest otherwise! There is no need for myanmarwikipedia.org to exist at all.
--Jimbo
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Jimmy Wales jwales@wikia.com wrote:
Kyaw Tun wrote:
The Wikimedia Foundation has been more than willing to support technical improvements that make the Myanmar Wikipedia more accessible toa larger number of users. I doubt it.
Why do you doubt it? You have me here personally telling you that we want to do this. Just "we want to do this" is not enough. You have to do it right.
What am I doing wrong? I want to do it right.
I am sorry. I was angry with everything. I know Wikipedia Foundation will do right in any dreadful situation.
The method you have chosen, the creation of aseparate community, will not scale, and we cannot support it. True. But no choice.Why do you say "no choice"? You have a choice.
It is not me, of course I have any choice. But the poeple don't have a choice.
Of course the people have a choice. I don't know why you suggest otherwise! There is no need for myanmarwikipedia.org to exist at all.
As a matter of fact, I was against for at the begining. But finally think, it is even better another community if my.wikipedia.org is going to that direction without an option for zawgyi.
--Jimbo
Best regards, Okisan
