Referencing Tip #1 - *Use Google Books to replace unverifiable references.*
For a subject like Gandhi, you will often come across references such as this:
*^http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&oldid=470829986#cite_ref-5 * Bhattacharya, Sabyasachi (1997). *The Mahatma and the Poet*. New Delhi: National Book Trust, India. p. 1.
(reference 6 on this oldid - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&old... )
The reference was for Rabindranath Tagore being the person who coined the term "Mahatma" for Gandhi.
Instead, by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on Google, I got lots of links, a few with preview.
I immediately find this link: Indian English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations: Volume 1 - Page 15http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAg http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=3&ved=0CEUQ6wEwAg books.google.co.inAmar Nath Prasadhttp://www.google.co.in/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=33v&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=842&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Amar+Nath+Prasad%22&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEMQ9Ag, A.N. Prasad Rajiv K.Malikhttp://www.google.co.in/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=33v&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=842&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Amar+Nath+Prasad%22&q=inauthor:%22A.N.+Prasad+Rajiv+K.Malik%22&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEQQ9Ag- 2007 - 269 pages - Full viewhttp://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEYQuwUwAg It was *Tagore*, who popularized the *term* "*Mahatma*"- great soul as a description of Gandhi. *...* His fame rested partly on his charisma-a world that might have been *invented* for *Tagore* — which was experienced at first hand in many *...*
So when I click the link, i reach this page,
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+co...
which works admirably as a reference:
*It was Tagore who popularised the term "Mahatma" - Great soul, as a description of Gandhi.
*So just pickup the page url & add it to reftag*
*and bang!* *RefTag gives you a ready made WikiText reference to use*:
<ref name="PrasadMalikPrasad2007">{{cite book|last1=Prasad|first1=Amar Nath|last2=Malik|first2=Rajiv K.|last3=Prasad |first3=A.N. |title=Indian English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations|url= http://books.google.com/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15%7Caccessdate=12 January 2012|date=1 November 2007|publisher=Sarup & Sons|isbn=978-81-7625-730-5|page=15}}</ref>
*Just add it instead to the article instead of the unverifiable reference & you only need to save. * *Actually, since I used a different search term, I found another reference for the article instead of the one above.*
*Richard L. Johnson; Gandhi (Mahatma) (2006). *Gandhi's experiments with truth: essential writings by and about Mahatma Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=dRQcKsx-YgQC&pg=PA279. Lexington Books. p. 279. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number 978-0-7391-1143-7http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-7391-1143-7. Retrieved 12 January 2012.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
For "by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on Google"
Read "by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on *Google Books*"
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.comwrote:
Referencing Tip #1 - *Use Google Books to replace unverifiable references.
For a subject like Gandhi, you will often come across references such as this:
*^http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&oldid=470829986#cite_ref-5
- Bhattacharya, Sabyasachi (1997). *The Mahatma and the Poet*. New Delhi:
National Book Trust, India. p. 1.
(reference 6 on this oldid - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&old... )
The reference was for Rabindranath Tagore being the person who coined the term "Mahatma" for Gandhi.
Instead, by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on Google, I got lots of links, a few with preview.
I immediately find this link: Indian English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations: Volume 1 - Page 15http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAg
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=3&ved=0CEUQ6wEwAg books.google.co.inAmar Nath Prasadhttp://www.google.co.in/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=33v&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=842&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Amar+Nath+Prasad%22&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEMQ9Ag, A.N. Prasad Rajiv K.Malikhttp://www.google.co.in/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=33v&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=842&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Amar+Nath+Prasad%22&q=inauthor:%22A.N.+Prasad+Rajiv+K.Malik%22&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEQQ9Ag- 2007 - 269 pages - Full viewhttp://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEYQuwUwAg It was *Tagore*, who popularized the *term* "*Mahatma*"- great soul as a description of Gandhi. *...* His fame rested partly on his charisma-a world that might have been *invented* for *Tagore* — which was experienced at first hand in many *...*
So when I click the link, i reach this page,
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+co...
which works admirably as a reference:
*It was Tagore who popularised the term "Mahatma" - Great soul, as a description of Gandhi.
*So just pickup the page url & add it to reftag*
*and bang!* *RefTag gives you a ready made WikiText reference to use*:
<ref name="PrasadMalikPrasad2007">{{cite book|last1=Prasad|first1=Amar Nath|last2=Malik|first2=Rajiv K.|last3=Prasad |first3=A.N. |title=Indian English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations|url= http://books.google.com/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15%7Caccessdate=12Jan... 2012|date=1 November 2007|publisher=Sarup & Sons|isbn=978-81-7625-730-5|page=15}}</ref>
*Just add it instead to the article instead of the unverifiable reference & you only need to save.
*Actually, since I used a different search term, I found another reference for the article instead of the one above.*
*Richard L. Johnson; Gandhi (Mahatma) (2006). *Gandhi's experiments with truth: essential writings by and about Mahatma Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=dRQcKsx-YgQC&pg=PA279. Lexington Books. p. 279. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number 978-0-7391-1143-7http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-7391-1143-7. Retrieved 12 January 2012.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
I don't know if this is with the flow of the class, but I want to make a note about ref 152http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&oldid=470924101#cite_ref-151. Since the article cited makes note of both the temples, the ref should go at the end of the next sentence.
Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch)
2012/1/12 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
For "by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on Google"
Read "by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on *Google Books*"
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.comwrote:
Referencing Tip #1 - *Use Google Books to replace unverifiable references.*
For a subject like Gandhi, you will often come across references such as this:
*^http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&oldid=470829986#cite_ref-5
- Bhattacharya, Sabyasachi (1997). *The Mahatma and the Poet*. New
Delhi: National Book Trust, India. p. 1.
(reference 6 on this oldid - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&old... )
The reference was for Rabindranath Tagore being the person who coined the term "Mahatma" for Gandhi.
Instead, by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on Google, I got lots of links, a few with preview.
I immediately find this link: Indian English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations: Volume 1 - Page 15http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAg
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=3&ved=0CEUQ6wEwAg books.google.co.inAmar Nath Prasadhttp://www.google.co.in/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=33v&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=842&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Amar+Nath+Prasad%22&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEMQ9Ag, A.N. Prasad Rajiv K.Malikhttp://www.google.co.in/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=33v&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=842&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Amar+Nath+Prasad%22&q=inauthor:%22A.N.+Prasad+Rajiv+K.Malik%22&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEQQ9Ag- 2007 - 269 pages - Full viewhttp://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEYQuwUwAg It was *Tagore*, who popularized the *term* "*Mahatma*"- great soul as a description of Gandhi. *...* His fame rested partly on his charisma-a world that might have been *invented* for *Tagore* — which was experienced at first hand in many *...*
So when I click the link, i reach this page,
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+co...
which works admirably as a reference:
*It was Tagore who popularised the term "Mahatma" - Great soul, as a description of Gandhi.
*So just pickup the page url & add it to reftag*
*and bang!* *RefTag gives you a ready made WikiText reference to use*:
<ref name="PrasadMalikPrasad2007">{{cite book|last1=Prasad|first1=Amar Nath|last2=Malik|first2=Rajiv K.|last3=Prasad |first3=A.N. |title=Indian English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations|url= http://books.google.com/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15%7Caccessdate=12Jan... 2012|date=1 November 2007|publisher=Sarup & Sons|isbn=978-81-7625-730-5|page=15}}</ref>
*Just add it instead to the article instead of the unverifiable reference & you only need to save.
*Actually, since I used a different search term, I found another reference for the article instead of the one above.*
*Richard L. Johnson; Gandhi (Mahatma) (2006). *Gandhi's experiments with truth: essential writings by and about Mahatma Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=dRQcKsx-YgQC&pg=PA279. Lexington Books. p. 279. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number 978-0-7391-1143-7http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-7391-1143-7. Retrieved 12 January 2012.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
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I went through the images on the article and the only questionable image was of Birla House (a copyrighted image). I requested a flickr user to donate a similar image of Birla House, which he kindly agreed to and Iv made the switch. Would appreciate if someone else could go through all the images on the page and check if the licensing is good to pass the GAR.
From: raul.swaroop@gmail.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:31:19 +0530 To: wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2
I don't know if this is with the flow of the class, but I want to make a note about ref 152. Since the article cited makes note of both the temples, the ref should go at the end of the next sentence.
Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch)
2012/1/12 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
For "by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on Google"
Read "by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on Google Books"
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com wrote:
Referencing Tip #1 - Use Google Books to replace unverifiable references.
For a subject like Gandhi, you will often come across references such as this:
^ Bhattacharya, Sabyasachi (1997). The Mahatma and the Poet. New Delhi: National Book Trust, India. p. 1.
(reference 6 on this oldid - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&old...)
The reference was for Rabindranath Tagore being the person who coined the term "Mahatma" for Gandhi.
Instead, by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on Google, I got lots of links, a few with preview.
I immediately find this link:
Indian English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations: Volume 1 - Page 15
books.google.co.inAmar Nath Prasad, A.N. Prasad Rajiv K.Malik - 2007 - 269 pages - Full view
It was Tagore, who popularized the term "Mahatma"- great soul as a description of Gandhi. ... His fame rested partly on his charisma-a world that might have been invented for Tagore — which was experienced at first hand in many ...
So when I click the link, i reach this page,
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+co...
which works admirably as a reference:
It was Tagore who popularised the term "Mahatma" - Great soul, as a description of Gandhi.
So just pickup the page url & add it to reftag
and bang! RefTag gives you a ready made WikiText reference to use:
<ref name="PrasadMalikPrasad2007">{{cite book|last1=Prasad|first1=Amar Nath|last2=Malik|first2=Rajiv K.|last3=Prasad |first3=A.N. |title=Indian English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15%7Caccessdate=12 January 2012|date=1 November 2007|publisher=Sarup & Sons|isbn=978-81-7625-730-5|page=15}}</ref>
Just add it instead to the article instead of the unverifiable reference & you only need to save.
Actually, since I used a different search term, I found another reference for the article instead of the one above.
Richard L. Johnson; Gandhi (Mahatma) (2006). Gandhi's experiments with truth: essential writings by and about Mahatma Gandhi. Lexington Books. p. 279. ISBN 978-0-7391-1143-7. Retrieved 12 January 2012.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
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I did a careful check and based on my understanding of the laws & licenses I think the images are all fine. Since judging Image licensing requires intimate knowledge and a wide understanding of image policies around the world, and I dont qualify in this regard, we welcome other experienced editors opinions.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
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I went through the images on the article and the only questionable image was of Birla House (a copyrighted image). I requested a flickr user to donate a similar image of Birla House, which he kindly agreed to and Iv made the switch. Would appreciate if someone else could go through all the images on the page and check if the licensing is good to pass the GAR.
From: raul.swaroop@gmail.com Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:31:19 +0530 To: wikimedia-in-en@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-en] GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2
I don't know if this is with the flow of the class, but I want to make a note about ref 152http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&oldid=470924101#cite_ref-151. Since the article cited makes note of both the temples, the ref should go at the end of the next sentence.
Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User%3aMikeLynch)
2012/1/12 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
For "by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on Google"
Read "by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on *Google Books*"
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.comwrote:
Referencing Tip #1 - *Use Google Books to replace unverifiable references.
For a subject like Gandhi, you will often come across references such as this:
*^http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&oldid=470829986#cite_ref-5
- Bhattacharya, Sabyasachi (1997). *The Mahatma and the Poet*. New Delhi:
National Book Trust, India. p. 1.
(reference 6 on this oldid - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&old... )
The reference was for Rabindranath Tagore being the person who coined the term "Mahatma" for Gandhi.
Instead, by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on Google, I got lots of links, a few with preview.
I immediately find this link: Indian English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations: Volume 1 - Page 15http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAg
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=3&ved=0CEUQ6wEwAg books.google.co.inAmar Nath Prasadhttp://www.google.co.in/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=33v&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=842&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Amar+Nath+Prasad%22&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEMQ9Ag, A.N. Prasad Rajiv K.Malikhttp://www.google.co.in/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=33v&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=842&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Amar+Nath+Prasad%22&q=inauthor:%22A.N.+Prasad+Rajiv+K.Malik%22&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEQQ9Ag- 2007 - 269 pages - Full viewhttp://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEYQuwUwAg It was *Tagore*, who popularized the *term* "*Mahatma*"- great soul as a description of Gandhi. *...* His fame rested partly on his charisma-a world that might have been *invented* for *Tagore* — which was experienced at first hand in many *...*
So when I click the link, i reach this page,
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+co...
which works admirably as a reference:
*It was Tagore who popularised the term "Mahatma" - Great soul, as a description of Gandhi.
*So just pickup the page url & add it to reftag*
*and bang!* *RefTag gives you a ready made WikiText reference to use*:
<ref name="PrasadMalikPrasad2007">{{cite book|last1=Prasad|first1=Amar Nath|last2=Malik|first2=Rajiv K.|last3=Prasad |first3=A.N. |title=Indian English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations|url= http://books.google.com/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15%7Caccessdate=12Jan... 2012|date=1 November 2007|publisher=Sarup & Sons|isbn=978-81-7625-730-5|page=15}}</ref>
*Just add it instead to the article instead of the unverifiable reference & you only need to save.
*Actually, since I used a different search term, I found another reference for the article instead of the one above.*
*Richard L. Johnson; Gandhi (Mahatma) (2006). *Gandhi's experiments with truth: essential writings by and about Mahatma Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=dRQcKsx-YgQC&pg=PA279. Lexington Books. p. 279. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number 978-0-7391-1143-7http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special%3aBookSources/978-0-7391-1143-7. Retrieved 12 January 2012.
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I think that this is a good time for newbie editors to read :
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Inline_citation - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Inline_citations
before they read the rest of the post.
To Swaroop, Ideally a set of sentences all described in a para may be given a ref like this:
This is Sentence 1. This is Sentence 2. This is Sentence 3. This is Sentence 4.<ref>Single reference for all these sentences.</ref>
But we may not prefer to do that in such cases where the text flow may be jeopardised due to lot of information which may be added. The section "Legacy and depictions in popular culture"and the following sections are ones where you can expect lots of editors to add lots of trivia. The original structure will break and the references will seperate.
So I have seperated the two sentences and converted the reference from a simple reference to a list-defined reference and added the short reference form to the second form.
See the diff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&act... .
For those still wondering -
simple reference - <ref>A simple reference</ref> list-defined reference -<ref name="Refname">A list defined reference</ref>
When re-using a list-defined reference again, just use <ref name="Refname"/>.
In the Reflist the reference does not repeated but gets superscript prefixes, a, b, c, etc depending upon how often the list-define reference is used. Each of the superscipts if pressed goes to the place where it is usedin the text.
Of course others may choose to combine the sentence into one, which is also an accepted approach.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
2012/1/12 Swaroop Rao raul.swaroop@gmail.com
I don't know if this is with the flow of the class, but I want to make a note about ref 152http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&oldid=470924101#cite_ref-151. Since the article cited makes note of both the temples, the ref should go at the end of the next sentence.
Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch)
2012/1/12 Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
For "by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on Google"
Read "by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on *Google Books* "
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur@gmail.com
wrote:
Referencing Tip #1 - *Use Google Books to replace unverifiable references.*
For a subject like Gandhi, you will often come across references such as this:
*^http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&oldid=470829986#cite_ref-5
- Bhattacharya, Sabyasachi (1997). *The Mahatma and the Poet*. New
Delhi: National Book Trust, India. p. 1.
(reference 6 on this oldid - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&old... )
The reference was for Rabindranath Tagore being the person who coined the term "Mahatma" for Gandhi.
Instead, by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on Google, I got lots of links, a few with preview.
I immediately find this link: Indian English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations: Volume 1 - Page 15http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAg
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=3&ved=0CEUQ6wEwAg books.google.co.inAmar Nath Prasadhttp://www.google.co.in/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=33v&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=842&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Amar+Nath+Prasad%22&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEMQ9Ag, A.N. Prasad Rajiv K.Malikhttp://www.google.co.in/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=33v&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=842&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Amar+Nath+Prasad%22&q=inauthor:%22A.N.+Prasad+Rajiv+K.Malik%22&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEQQ9Ag- 2007 - 269 pages - Full viewhttp://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEYQuwUwAg It was *Tagore*, who popularized the *term* "*Mahatma*"- great soul as a description of Gandhi. *...* His fame rested partly on his charisma-a world that might have been *invented* for *Tagore* — which was experienced at first hand in many *...*
So when I click the link, i reach this page,
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+co...
which works admirably as a reference:
*It was Tagore who popularised the term "Mahatma" - Great soul, as a description of Gandhi.
*So just pickup the page url & add it to reftag*
*and bang!* *RefTag gives you a ready made WikiText reference to use*:
<ref name="PrasadMalikPrasad2007">{{cite book|last1=Prasad|first1=Amar Nath|last2=Malik|first2=Rajiv K.|last3=Prasad |first3=A.N. |title=Indian English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations|url= http://books.google.com/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15%7Caccessdate=12Jan... 2012|date=1 November 2007|publisher=Sarup & Sons|isbn=978-81-7625-730-5|page=15}}</ref>
*Just add it instead to the article instead of the unverifiable reference & you only need to save.
*Actually, since I used a different search term, I found another reference for the article instead of the one above.*
*Richard L. Johnson; Gandhi (Mahatma) (2006). *Gandhi's experiments with truth: essential writings by and about Mahatma Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=dRQcKsx-YgQC&pg=PA279. Lexington Books. p. 279. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number 978-0-7391-1143-7http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-7391-1143-7. Retrieved 12 January 2012.
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Can anyone substantiate ref 7 - that Gandhi means "grocer" in Gujurati. The second half that it means perfumer in Hindi should be to "gundhi" imho and not "gaandhi". Anyway, the Hindi interpretation is irrelevant and being removed.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
Referencing Tip #2 - *Use Google Books to improve existing references.*
In an article like Gandhi, many references are handcrafted and may contain few of the essential bibliographic details needed for a satisfactory reference (the abbreviated templates I gave at the beginning of this thread give an idea of what are the important fields for most citations). If the preview is available then it is possible to verify and to quote from the source page cited. Even if the preview is not available, the url helps buildup the citation easily to add more details available.
Here is a reference improved using Google Books/RefTag combination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&dif...
In some cases, the references are legacy dating back from the days before Google had digitised and made available online the text of so many books in preview or full view mode. These references can be updated and the url links included in the reference will lead to the source page cited where the visitor can verify the information added.
The google/RefTag combination which I have mentioned before are without doubt some of the most useful of techniques.
Happy editting!
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.baindur@gmail.comwrote:
Referencing Tip #1 - *Use Google Books to replace unverifiable references.
For a subject like Gandhi, you will often come across references such as this:
*^http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&oldid=470829986#cite_ref-5
- Bhattacharya, Sabyasachi (1997). *The Mahatma and the Poet*. New Delhi:
National Book Trust, India. p. 1.
(reference 6 on this oldid - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&old... )
The reference was for Rabindranath Tagore being the person who coined the term "Mahatma" for Gandhi.
Instead, by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on Google, I got lots of links, a few with preview.
I immediately find this link: Indian English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations: Volume 1 - Page 15http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAg
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=3&ved=0CEUQ6wEwAg books.google.co.inAmar Nath Prasadhttp://www.google.co.in/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=33v&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=842&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Amar+Nath+Prasad%22&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEMQ9Ag, A.N. Prasad Rajiv K.Malikhttp://www.google.co.in/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=33v&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=842&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Amar+Nath+Prasad%22&q=inauthor:%22A.N.+Prasad+Rajiv+K.Malik%22&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEQQ9Ag- 2007 - 269 pages - Full viewhttp://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEYQuwUwAg It was *Tagore*, who popularized the *term* "*Mahatma*"- great soul as a description of Gandhi. *...* His fame rested partly on his charisma-a world that might have been *invented* for *Tagore* — which was experienced at first hand in many *...*
So when I click the link, i reach this page,
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+co...
which works admirably as a reference:
*It was Tagore who popularised the term "Mahatma" - Great soul, as a description of Gandhi.
*So just pickup the page url & add it to reftag*
*and bang!* *RefTag gives you a ready made WikiText reference to use*:
<ref name="PrasadMalikPrasad2007">{{cite book|last1=Prasad|first1=Amar Nath|last2=Malik|first2=Rajiv K.|last3=Prasad |first3=A.N. |title=Indian English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations|url= http://books.google.com/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15%7Caccessdate=12Jan... 2012|date=1 November 2007|publisher=Sarup & Sons|isbn=978-81-7625-730-5|page=15}}</ref>
*Just add it instead to the article instead of the unverifiable reference & you only need to save.
*Actually, since I used a different search term, I found another reference for the article instead of the one above.*
*Richard L. Johnson; Gandhi (Mahatma) (2006). *Gandhi's experiments with truth: essential writings by and about Mahatma Gandhi*http://books.google.com/books?id=dRQcKsx-YgQC&pg=PA279. Lexington Books. p. 279. ISBNhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number 978-0-7391-1143-7http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-7391-1143-7. Retrieved 12 January 2012.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
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