Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through every
reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised at
what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references.
Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily -
* Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs
* Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence.
* Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to date so
can't task you. Sorry!
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
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On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay <
debastein(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see if the
> text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what we
> feel are non-reliable sources.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs".
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
>> ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take an
>>> article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now
>>> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being
>>> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and
>>> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require
>>> serious amount of work to be restored to that status.
>>>
>>> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most
>>> suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in.
>>>
>>> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which is part
>>> cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled without too
>>> much of our work being undone in the rewrite.
>>>
>>> Referencing involves a number of things.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference or a
>>> {{cn}} tag placed.
>>> 2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] (reliable
>>> sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no ref can be
>>> found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where references could
>>> not be found need to be deleted.
>>> 3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference needs to
>>> be checked -
>>> 1. Material written in the article is actually in the cited
>>> reference.
>>> 2. The material written in the article is an NPOV representation
>>> of the cited material in the reference.
>>> 4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite templated
>>> reference with adequate details available in the reference.
>>>
>>> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required for
>>> newbies or those who have not read the page before:
>>>
>>> - [[WP:REFBEGIN]]
>>> - [[WP:CITE]]
>>> - [[WP:RS]]
>>>
>>> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill in the
>>> blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for use and
>>> fill in. Preformatted as references, they are:
>>>
>>> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= |coauthors=
>>> |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= |accessdate=9
>>> January 2012}}</ref>
>>>
>>> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= |publisher=
>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>
>>> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= |year=
>>> |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi=
>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>
>>> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= |date=
>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>
>>> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with
>>> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded
>>> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it will
>>> create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple.
>>>
>>> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's assassination, to
>>> show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in creating the
>>> circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good link:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27s+assas…
>>>
>>> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I get the
>>> following url:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks…
>>>
>>> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation:
>>>
>>> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude
>>> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url=
>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58|accessdate=10January 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent
>>> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref>
>>>
>>> which, when used in an article, will result in the following citation:
>>>
>>> *^<http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks…>
>>> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*<http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58>.
>>> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBN<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number>
>>> 978-81-7824-155-5<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5>.
>>> Retrieved 10 January 2012.
>>>
>>> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and expand
>>> it/delete it/correct it as required.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Debanjan*
>
> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place*
>
>
In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take an article
and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now unconsciously
standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being derecognised, one of the
important reasons for which is content and referencing issues. Gandhi,
despite having been a former GA, will require serious amount of work to be
restored to that status.
Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most suitable
action to plunge editors new to the review process in.
Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which is part
cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled without too
much of our work being undone in the rewrite.
Referencing involves a number of things.
1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference or a
{{cn}} tag placed.
2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] (reliable
sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no ref can be
found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where references could
not be found need to be deleted.
3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference needs to be
checked -
1. Material written in the article is actually in the cited reference.
2. The material written in the article is an NPOV representation of
the cited material in the reference.
4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite templated
reference with adequate details available in the reference.
Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required for newbies
or those who have not read the page before:
- [[WP:REFBEGIN]]
- [[WP:CITE]]
- [[WP:RS]]
After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill in the
blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for use and
fill in. Preformatted as references, they are:
<ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= |coauthors=
|year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= |accessdate=9
January 2012}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= |publisher=
|accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= |year=
|title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi=
|accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= |date=
|accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with
preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded
into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it will create a
preformatted citation for you. Its that simple.
For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's assassination, to show
culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in creating the
circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good link:
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27s+assas…
If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I get the
following url:
http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks…
which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation:
<ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude
Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url=
http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58|accessdate=10 January
2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent
Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref>
which, when used in an article, will result in the following citation:
*^<http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks…>
* Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian
Gandhi*<http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58>.
Permanent Black. pp. 58–.
ISBN<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number>
978-81-7824-155-5<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5>.
Retrieved 10 January 2012.
COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and expand
it/delete it/correct it as required.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
------------------------------------------------------
#1
WHAT IS THE ARTICLE LIKE?
The article is quite well developed but with some flaws, such as
inappropriate lead, sections unbalanced, overall length, cleanup tags,
references need completion etc. Large parts of the article appear
well-written but would need an experienced copy-editor to go over the final
product.
WHAT WILL THE ARTICLE BE JUDGED BY?
The Good Article criteria are well defined and given in link below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_criteria *(Please read
this in detail)
*WHAT ELSE IS RELEVANT?
If you look at the article talk page banners and click the "show" button
next to the article milestones, we can see the history of the article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi
- The article became a Featured Article by the criteria of that period
on 22 January 2005. This was very relaxed compared to today's standards.
- It underwent a Featured Article Review in June 2005 and was kept.
- It underwent a peer review on 17 February 2006 and was improved vide
the points.
- It underwent a Featured Article Review in January 2009 and was
demoted. (url:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Mohandas_Kar…)
The chief causes of concern were:
- Sources improvement & cleanup to satisfy Verifiability.
- Lead improvement
- Structure of sections.
- Image review.
- It appears to have been renominated for GA on 9 May 2011 and failed by
TonyTheTiger. Revie comments are at url:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi/GA1. These
will be the comments that we will have to resolve before we can even put it
up for GA.
See
http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Contributors.php?wikilang=en&wikifa…
Of the contributors presently Nirvana2013, RegentsPark, Sunray &
Fowler&fowler were those major contributors who contributed recently. These
people will be amongst our biggest well-wishers.
In addition, a number of Project Editors such as AroundTheGlobe &
Karthikndr have begun editing it. We are fellow editors with them in this
venture.
TASK
1. Read GAC as already mentioned above.
2. Read the failed FA Review & the failed GA Review.
3. In reply to this, please reply on this thread and say what are the
points you feel need improving and what is the best way to resolve them.
Time:Till *tomorrow evening 1900 hours*.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
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On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com>wrote:
> Hello friends,
>
> we shall be shortly starting a master class for how to make a GA. The aim
> is to make the GA COTM of the month - [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi]] - into
> a GA and to provide discussion/learning tips/clarify doubts to the
> participating editors during the process.
>
> Three young editors have opted in for the class:
> * User:Rangilo Gujarati
> * User:Arnavchaudhary
> * User:Debastein
>
> Another user, User.Nick.me may also join us. Anyone is welcome. We need
> three to begin, we got three, so we begin tomorrow.
>
> Posts on this topic initiated by me will be prefixed GA Master Class, so
> if you are not interested, please do not feel obligated to read. However,
> we would love to have every one join into the editting and
> learning/teaching. Remember just because there is an activity going on,
> nothing prevents you from improving the article yourself.
>
> First post tomorrow, in the meantime please read the Gandhi article from
> top to bottom. There is going to lot of MOS pages reading. So get used to
> reading intelligently.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
I have recently seen a couple of editors adding refs by just adding links. Im sure most here are aware for those who are not - PFA a snapshot of the top of the page when your editing. Click on Cite and then choose the correct template from the dropdown. If you dont have certain info (such as the newspaper does not state the Correspondent name or the book is old and does not have an ISBN number) leave that part blank.
Also, I thought it may be a good idea at the beginning of the month, to tag the article where needed (such as citation needed tags etc.) so as to make it easier for collaboration - everyone knows the amount of cleanup required, which can be measured by the tags with the aim of getting rid of all the tags by month end.
Hello friends,
Its great to participate in a photothon - it generates lots of outreach,
many images, new recruits to Wikimedia projects and of course lots of fun.
Wish you were there in Kolkata or Ahmedabad but couldn't make it? There are
ways to be part of the event though one may not be physically present.
Before the event, you can help by evangelising, drumming up participants,
setting up the pages, image categories for upload etc. Had experience of a
photothon before? Do consider advising the organisers of the next one. Far
too often, the organisers are arranging a photothon for the first time
without previous experience.
But equally important, is post-event support. Once the event is over and a
few hundred images are uploaded to Commons, the event organisers and
participants are tired and psychologically the event is over for them.
However, the value of their effort is at a halfway point in the journey and
not yet delivered. Often the images are not in place where they need to be
- in the articles of the objects/places they show.
Here is where we come in. A number of actions still need to be done. We can
help these images attain value in the Wikimedia projects.
* Check the licensing of the images.
* Categorise the images appropriately.
* Do improve the captions. Adding multi-lingual captions is a fantastic
service to your language wikipedias.
* Search out the relevant article on English Wikipedia and add the images
to them. Of course if the article already is illustrated, there is no
compulsion to add more images, only ensure that the best ones from the past
and new images illustrate the article.
* Add the images to the relevant articles in your Indic language Wikipedia
of interest.
* Create stubs for the important localities of your cities which either
dont exist or are red-linked.
* Ensure that the articles in Indic languages have interwiki link to the
English one.
This is a really great task, left incomplete far too often. So please help
out folks. If each Indian editor just added one image or did a handful of
categorisations or pitched in some way, the tasks will get done in no time
at all.
Obviously it is naturally right for the English Wikipedia SIG to help such
photothons. We felt that the best way to help the photothon is to create a
list of articles on English Wikipedia pertaining to the city/region of the
photothon. This would not only the existing articles but also those which
have not been created. This has been done for the Ahmedabad photothon.
How to create such a list? Three ways:
* Go to the city Wikipedia article/related articles and make links of every
geographical feature/monument/locality pertaining to the city listed in the
Wikipedia article.
* Go to a few travel web-sites and make a list of all of every geographical
feature/monument/locality pertaining to the city listed in the web-site.
* Go to Google books, find some good travel, geography or history books
and make a list of all of every geographical feature/monument/locality
pertaining to the city listed in them.
Best of all, use all three methods to create the list.
Here is an example created to help the Ahmedabad photothon gang who have
added 768 images to date.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AshLin/Ahmedabad
Do add additional topics to the article list, add images to them,
reorganise the links if you wish & create articles from the red links.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
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Hello friends,
we shall be shortly starting a master class for how to make a GA. The aim
is to make the GA COTM of the month - [[Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi]] - into
a GA and to provide discussion/learning tips/clarify doubts to the
participating editors during the process.
Three young editors have opted in for the class:
* User:Rangilo Gujarati
* User:Arnavchaudhary
* User:Debastein
Another user, User.Nick.me may also join us. Anyone is welcome. We need
three to begin, we got three, so we begin tomorrow.
Posts on this topic initiated by me will be prefixed GA Master Class, so if
you are not interested, please do not feel obligated to read. However, we
would love to have every one join into the editting and learning/teaching.
Remember just because there is an activity going on, nothing prevents you
from improving the article yourself.
First post tomorrow, in the meantime please read the Gandhi article from
top to bottom. There is going to lot of MOS pages reading. So get used to
reading intelligently.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
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Dear friends,
Two announcements*
*
1. *INCOTM GA Improvement of the month (for January 2012):*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi
*This will be run as a master class by User:AshLin with detailed comments
for young editors on Wikimedia-in-en mailing list. He will guide three
young editors through the GA process. If you are eager to participate,
write to undersigned or leave a message at User:AshLin. First come, first
served. User:Rangilo Gujarati already opted. Two positions vacant. Others
are of course welcome to edit regardless.
Our work needs to be done by 30 January, his Smriti day!*
2. *INCOTM selected article for January 2012:*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premchand
*Lets develop this uniquely humane writer's story.*
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
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We need a free image of Bhimsen Joshi. Can anyone from Pune or Mumbai
community oblige? Can anyone oblige? Barnstar promised. :) And oh yes,
Happy New Year once again!
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
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