hi arun and co, how r u guys doing?
Since we dont seem to have a mailing list to discuss ethical issues of wiki, i continue to
post.
now lemme try to tell all of you something what i normally tell journalism interns on
their first day;
1. Only becoz you have an access to a mass medium of expression, do not think you are
wiser than any poor illeterate farmer in the last village of this country. In fact, your
learning has just begun.
2. Access to a mass medium is a great opportunity to learn. When i started reading
Indian/world history along with various views on it and Indian/ world polity, most of
today's college kids were not even born but i am yet to form a decisive commentery. so
it is better to carry all view points rather than go without any viewpoints.
3. Whatever be the story, understand social context before putting it up for public
consumption. Every story exists only in a social context and without social relevance even
the best stories can serve anti-soical elements.
4. No story is written. All stories are re-written. So before publishing the story get it
checked by your peers.
Having said that, i must remind all of you that if wikipedians are not discussing the
social relevance of what they are doing, they should start doing so. It is pointless being
wikipedian or being anybody, unless you understand the social context. And dont think that
they had no sense of context before starting Wiki Foundation. They had, but have you asked
them what it was? Ask them, find an answer and then see if it compliments Indian
context. The idea of wikipedia is not concieved in vaccum so dont blindly jump into the
band wagon. There must be a reason why wiki keeps its editors and admins anonymous even
when India has thousands of learned men and women who never say anything anonymously -
however risky it would be to say that.
Often the findings may not suit our ego but ego blocks your understanding. All wikipedians
must read Indian history. you may begin with
1. Indian History by Romila Thapar
2. Indian History by Percieval Spear
3. Indian Independance Movement by Bipin Chandra
4. Freedom at midnight by Dominique lappierre
5. Discovery of India by Nehru
6. Intervals in Politics by Ram Manohar Lohia
7. Caste System by Ram Manohar Lohia
8. Wheels of History by Ram Manohar Lohia
...this list can go on. more later.
regards
Basavaraj N Itnal
--- On Sat, 2/26/11, Arun Ramarathnam <arunram25(a)gmail.com> wrote:
From: Arun Ramarathnam <arunram25(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-blr] [Wikimediaindia-l] ToI front page: Rs 1 cr for Sanskrit
WP
To: "Basavaraj Itnal" <basavarajitnal(a)yahoo.com>
Cc: "IndiaMailing list for Wikimedians / Wikipedians in & from Bangalore"
<wikimedia-in-blr(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 2:06 PM
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Basavaraj Itnal <basavarajitnal(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
explain. how social relevance of sanskrit is out of scope of wiki in sanskrit and govt
funding to it?
Basavaraj,
You must differentiate between the following:
The social relevance of Sanskrit in India (as you put it)
Impact of Wikipedia in Sanskrit to society.
The first topic, I maintain is beyond the scope of this list. It is to wide a topic.
As far as the second one goes, Wikipedia in Sanskrit is too small to discuss this now.
If you question was with regards to the process followed to start a wikipedia in a
language (like Sankrit or any other), you are referred to the following:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Language_proposal_policy
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
As you can see from the links above, there *are* active discussions before a wikipedia
project is created.
do you guys discuss social relavance of what you are doing at all? if yes, where? if no,
that is a grave ommission.
I urge you to consider spending some time understanding how wikipedia works and the
processes behind it before coming to conclusions on some
aspects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents
Wikipedia has evolved over 10 years. It did not become a phenomenon just like that. There
surely is a "method" to most things, even if it doesn't seem very apparent
to some. And these methods keep improving. You too can contribute to bettering these
while participating in the processes and experiencing them.
A lot of links and references have been shared on this thread. Hope it helps you form your
views on the processes behind wikipedia. And as they say, "Rome was not built in one
day"! In this case it took 10 years (and it is still a WIP).
Thanks
Arun
--- On Sat, 2/26/11, Arun Ramarathnam <arunram25(a)gmail.com> wrote:
From: Arun Ramarathnam <arunram25(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-blr] [Wikimediaindia-l] ToI front page: Rs 1 cr for Sanskrit
WP
To: "Mailing list for Wikimedians / Wikipedians in & from Bangalore, India"
<wikimedia-in-blr(a)lists.wikimedia.org>rg>, "Basavaraj Itnal"
<basavarajitnal(a)yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 12:47 PM
Basavaraj,
The social relevance of Sanskrit in India, is not a topic that is in the scope if this
list.
It is a much larger topic.
As far as your observations on factual inaccuracies of some articles, that is certainly
something you can take up on the talk page of the respective wiki page. There may be more
knowledgeable contributors on the subject who can comment on it.
Could you also please refer the following links or pages that may assist you further:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Accuracy_dispute
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Fact_and_Reference_Check
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us/Article_problem/Factual_e…
Thank you
Arun
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Basavaraj Itnal <basavarajitnal(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
this is about social relevance of sanskrit to India. and some concomitant errenous
insertions.
Basavaraj N Itnal
--- On Sat, 2/26/11, Prateek Ramachandra <prateek.vr(a)gmail.com> wrote:
From: Prateek Ramachandra <prateek.vr(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-blr] [Wikimediaindia-l] ToI front page: Rs 1 cr for Sanskrit
WP
To: "Mailing list for Wikimedians / Wikipedians in & from Bangalore, India"
<wikimedia-in-blr(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Cc: "Basavaraj Itnal" <basavarajitnal(a)yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 12:00 PM
Guys... what are we discussing here??? Please stop discussing about non-relevant topics...
focus on sanskrit wiki... please start another discussion if anyone has anything else to
say...
I
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Basavaraj Itnal <basavarajitnal(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
correct version of lingayatism as opposed to brahmanicised version on wiki..
http://www.everyculture.com/South-Asia/Lingayat-Religion-and-Expressive-Cul…
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hubli/Lingayat-is-an-independent-re…
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/134566/veerashaivas-urged-register-ling…
Basavaraj N Itnal
--- On Sat, 2/26/11, Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org> wrote:
From: Gautam John <gautam(a)prathambooks.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-in-blr] [Wikimediaindia-l] ToI front page: Rs 1 cr for Sanskrit
WP
To: "Mailing list for Wikimedians / Wikipedians in & from Bangalore, India"
<wikimedia-in-blr(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 11:30 AM
On 26 February 2011 16:57, Basavaraj
Itnal <basavarajitnal(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:
wiki has to recognise and be sensitive to these
concerns.
It is, in it's content drawing on it's policies of being
an
encyclopedia and being neutral. These are very powerful
pillars that
promote neutrality of points of view.
Thank you.
Best,
Gautam
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