On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Kirill Lokshin kirill.lokshin@gmail.com wrote:
And on another note, should we do something about the current mailing list structure? We seem to be using wm-dc-bid for all the organization matters related to the chapter, rather than only for bid discussion; while this is a natural consequence of the organization having emerged from the bid team, it's probably not ideal in the long run. At the very least, I would suggest that we use wm-dc as the primary list, and reserve the wm-dc-bid list for matters specifically related to Wikimania; it may also be feasible to just combine the two lists, since Wikimania planning is going to be fairly central to our activities over the next year. Another possibility might be to create a separate wm-dc-board list to use for organizational matters, but that might just cause more confusion among the different lists. Kirill
The origin of the private Wikimania bid mailing list was out of a concern that discussion of the bid would be taking up too much of the mailing list's traffic. What resulted was a sort of separation between the people actively working on the chapter (since the chapter is ultimately the result of the conference's needs) and everyone else, and I do not believe it is effective for there to be two separate mailing lists, especially since one is a private Google Group which I run from my personal account. As the conference is no longer in the hands of an ad-hoc group but a non-profit organization as well as its (prospective) members, I propose the following changes be made:
1. The Wikimania DC Bid list is made read-only, effectively shutting it down. Discussion of Wikimania will take place on this list, Wikimedia-DC, to prevent any further splintering of the community and to ensure as much input as possible. The Wikimania Planning Committee may carry out business on this list if it so chooses. (As a member of said committee, I am against the committee sequestering itself onto its own list, since the role of the committee is to lead the wider community process of organizing Wikimania, not to organize Wikimania autonomously.)
2. Wikimedia-DC-announce is created. For those who don't want to be updated on the minutiae of chapter activity but still want to hear about events and other news, this mailing list will be an option. This list will work similarly to existing announce lists such as toolserver-announce-l.
3. If the Board of Directors deems it necessary, a restricted-access Wikimedia-DC-board list is created for Board members and a few select non-Board members.
In the interest of accountability, all of these lists would be operated by lists.wikimedia.org; there would no privately ran Google Groups lists like the Wikimania DC Bid list currently is.
Thoughts?
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:15 AM, James Hare messedrocker@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Kirill Lokshin kirill.lokshin@gmail.com wrote:
And on another note, should we do something about the current mailing
list
structure? We seem to be using wm-dc-bid for all the organization
matters
related to the chapter, rather than only for bid discussion; while this
is a
natural consequence of the organization having emerged from the bid team, it's probably not ideal in the long run. At the very least, I would suggest that we use wm-dc as the primary list, and reserve the wm-dc-bid list for matters specifically related to Wikimania; it may also be feasible to just combine the two lists, since Wikimania planning is going to be fairly central to our activities over
the
next year. Another possibility might be to create a separate wm-dc-board list to use for organizational matters, but that might just cause more confusion
among
the different lists. Kirill
The origin of the private Wikimania bid mailing list was out of a concern that discussion of the bid would be taking up too much of the mailing list's traffic. What resulted was a sort of separation between the people actively working on the chapter (since the chapter is ultimately the result of the conference's needs) and everyone else, and I do not believe it is effective for there to be two separate mailing lists, especially since one is a private Google Group which I run from my personal account. As the conference is no longer in the hands of an ad-hoc group but a non-profit organization as well as its (prospective) members, I propose the following changes be made:
- The Wikimania DC Bid list is made read-only, effectively shutting
it down. Discussion of Wikimania will take place on this list, Wikimedia-DC, to prevent any further splintering of the community and to ensure as much input as possible. The Wikimania Planning Committee may carry out business on this list if it so chooses. (As a member of said committee, I am against the committee sequestering itself onto its own list, since the role of the committee is to lead the wider community process of organizing Wikimania, not to organize Wikimania autonomously.)
- Wikimedia-DC-announce is created. For those who don't want to be
updated on the minutiae of chapter activity but still want to hear about events and other news, this mailing list will be an option. This list will work similarly to existing announce lists such as toolserver-announce-l.
- If the Board of Directors deems it necessary, a restricted-access
Wikimedia-DC-board list is created for Board members and a few select non-Board members.
In the interest of accountability, all of these lists would be operated by lists.wikimedia.org; there would no privately ran Google Groups lists like the Wikimania DC Bid list currently is.
Thoughts?
This all seems reasonable.
Kirill
I support a Wikimedia-DC-board list
Sincerely,
Nicholas Michael Bashour
2011/5/9 Kirill Lokshin kirill.lokshin@gmail.com:
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:15 AM, James Hare messedrocker@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Kirill Lokshin kirill.lokshin@gmail.com wrote:
And on another note, should we do something about the current mailing list structure? We seem to be using wm-dc-bid for all the organization matters related to the chapter, rather than only for bid discussion; while this is a natural consequence of the organization having emerged from the bid team, it's probably not ideal in the long run. At the very least, I would suggest that we use wm-dc as the primary list, and reserve the wm-dc-bid list for matters specifically related to Wikimania; it may also be feasible to just combine the two lists, since Wikimania planning is going to be fairly central to our activities over the next year. Another possibility might be to create a separate wm-dc-board list to use for organizational matters, but that might just cause more confusion among the different lists. Kirill
The origin of the private Wikimania bid mailing list was out of a concern that discussion of the bid would be taking up too much of the mailing list's traffic. What resulted was a sort of separation between the people actively working on the chapter (since the chapter is ultimately the result of the conference's needs) and everyone else, and I do not believe it is effective for there to be two separate mailing lists, especially since one is a private Google Group which I run from my personal account. As the conference is no longer in the hands of an ad-hoc group but a non-profit organization as well as its (prospective) members, I propose the following changes be made:
- The Wikimania DC Bid list is made read-only, effectively shutting
it down. Discussion of Wikimania will take place on this list, Wikimedia-DC, to prevent any further splintering of the community and to ensure as much input as possible. The Wikimania Planning Committee may carry out business on this list if it so chooses. (As a member of said committee, I am against the committee sequestering itself onto its own list, since the role of the committee is to lead the wider community process of organizing Wikimania, not to organize Wikimania autonomously.)
- Wikimedia-DC-announce is created. For those who don't want to be
updated on the minutiae of chapter activity but still want to hear about events and other news, this mailing list will be an option. This list will work similarly to existing announce lists such as toolserver-announce-l.
- If the Board of Directors deems it necessary, a restricted-access
Wikimedia-DC-board list is created for Board members and a few select non-Board members.
In the interest of accountability, all of these lists would be operated by lists.wikimedia.org; there would no privately ran Google Groups lists like the Wikimania DC Bid list currently is.
Thoughts?
This all seems reasonable. Kirill _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-DC mailing list Wikimedia-DC@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-dc
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:15 AM, James Hare messedrocker@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Kirill Lokshin kirill.lokshin@gmail.com wrote:
And on another note, should we do something about the current mailing
list
structure? We seem to be using wm-dc-bid for all the organization
matters
related to the chapter, rather than only for bid discussion; while this
is a
natural consequence of the organization having emerged from the bid team, it's probably not ideal in the long run. At the very least, I would suggest that we use wm-dc as the primary list, and reserve the wm-dc-bid list for matters specifically related to Wikimania; it may also be feasible to just combine the two lists, since Wikimania planning is going to be fairly central to our activities over
the
next year. Another possibility might be to create a separate wm-dc-board list to use for organizational matters, but that might just cause more confusion
among
the different lists. Kirill
The origin of the private Wikimania bid mailing list was out of a concern that discussion of the bid would be taking up too much of the mailing list's traffic. What resulted was a sort of separation between the people actively working on the chapter (since the chapter is ultimately the result of the conference's needs) and everyone else, and I do not believe it is effective for there to be two separate mailing lists, especially since one is a private Google Group which I run from my personal account. As the conference is no longer in the hands of an ad-hoc group but a non-profit organization as well as its (prospective) members, I propose the following changes be made:
- The Wikimania DC Bid list is made read-only, effectively shutting
it down.
I am okay with that.
Discussion of Wikimania will take place on this list, Wikimedia-DC, to prevent any further splintering of the community and to ensure as much input as possible. The Wikimania Planning Committee may carry out business on this list if it so chooses.
Chapter business should definitely be on wikimedia-dc, and some Wikimania discussion but certainly not every minutiae of Wikimania planning.
We still need a wikimania-planning list of some sort, to include the 28 people who volunteered with our bid + anyone else who wants to help. That might be our own list, run on wikidc.org and/or there is wikimania-planning run by WMF as a restricted list.
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-planning-l
After all, there will be things to discuss that we may not yet want to make public and/or deal with private, personal info (in the latter case, we will use OTRS for a bit of that).
(As a member of
said committee, I am against the committee sequestering itself onto its own list, since the role of the committee is to lead the wider community process of organizing Wikimania, not to organize Wikimania autonomously.)
I think the volume of messages may overwhelm people, and although an announce list helps, some people might want to be involved with the chapter but not so much Wikimania.
- Wikimedia-DC-announce is created. For those who don't want to be
updated on the minutiae of chapter activity but still want to hear about events and other news, this mailing list will be an option. This list will work similarly to existing announce lists such as toolserver-announce-l.
This is a good idea.
- If the Board of Directors deems it necessary, a restricted-access
Wikimedia-DC-board list is created for Board members and a few select non-Board members.
This is necessary. There simply is some stuff that should not be public or publicly archived. (e.g. any personal info)
In the interest of accountability, all of these lists would be operated by lists.wikimedia.org;
wikimedia-dc and wikimedia-dc-announce should be on lists.wikimedia.org
Any board list should not be, as we are not dependent on WMF. We can run any additional lists ourselves on wikidc.org
-Katie
there would no privately ran Google Groups lists like the Wikimania DC Bid list currently is.
Thoughts?
-- James Hare
Wikimedia-DC mailing list Wikimedia-DC@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-dc
2011/5/9 aude aude.wiki@gmail.com
wikimedia-dc and wikimedia-dc-announce should be on lists.wikimedia.org
Any board list should not be, as we are not dependent on WMF. We can run any additional lists ourselves on wikidc.org
Perhaps we may want to create some sort of member announcement list on wikidc.org as well?
Some people are providing a different email address in their membership applications than what they use on the existing lists; we should probably have a way to distribute "official" announcements to those addresses.
(Alternately, we could probably just send such announcements to the entire set of addresses directly; but having a mailing list in place may make things slightly less error-prone.)
Kirill
On May 9, 2011, at 3:15 AM, James Hare wrote:
On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Kirill Lokshin kirill.lokshin@gmail.com wrote:
And on another note, should we do something about the current mailing list structure? We seem to be using wm-dc-bid for all the organization matters related to the chapter, rather than only for bid discussion; while this is a natural consequence of the organization having emerged from the bid team, it's probably not ideal in the long run. At the very least, I would suggest that we use wm-dc as the primary list, and reserve the wm-dc-bid list for matters specifically related to Wikimania; it may also be feasible to just combine the two lists, since Wikimania planning is going to be fairly central to our activities over the next year. Another possibility might be to create a separate wm-dc-board list to use for organizational matters, but that might just cause more confusion among the different lists. Kirill
The origin of the private Wikimania bid mailing list was out of a concern that discussion of the bid would be taking up too much of the mailing list's traffic. What resulted was a sort of separation between the people actively working on the chapter (since the chapter is ultimately the result of the conference's needs) and everyone else, and I do not believe it is effective for there to be two separate mailing lists, especially since one is a private Google Group which I run from my personal account. As the conference is no longer in the hands of an ad-hoc group but a non-profit organization as well as its (prospective) members, I propose the following changes be made:
- The Wikimania DC Bid list is made read-only, effectively shutting
it down. Discussion of Wikimania will take place on this list, Wikimedia-DC, to prevent any further splintering of the community and to ensure as much input as possible. The Wikimania Planning Committee may carry out business on this list if it so chooses. (As a member of said committee, I am against the committee sequestering itself onto its own list, since the role of the committee is to lead the wider community process of organizing Wikimania, not to organize Wikimania autonomously.)
- Wikimedia-DC-announce is created. For those who don't want to be
updated on the minutiae of chapter activity but still want to hear about events and other news, this mailing list will be an option. This list will work similarly to existing announce lists such as toolserver-announce-l.
- If the Board of Directors deems it necessary, a restricted-access
Wikimedia-DC-board list is created for Board members and a few select non-Board members.
In the interest of accountability, all of these lists would be operated by lists.wikimedia.org; there would no privately ran Google Groups lists like the Wikimania DC Bid list currently is.
Thoughts?
-- James Hare
I think there's no real need for an announce only list for the chapter -- I do think there is a need for one for Wikimania, but I do not know how it will integrate with the existing lists for Wikimania 11. I'd throw everything into a single read/write WM DC list, and then have a separate read/write for all things Wikimania 12 related (paired with an announce-only list) , as the constituents of the DC chapter and Wikimania lists will be differing.
-Dan
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Dan Rosenthal swatjester@gmail.com wrote:
I think there's no real need for an announce only list for the chapter -- I do think there is a need for one for Wikimania, but I do not know how it will integrate with the existing lists for Wikimania 11. I'd throw everything into a single read/write WM DC list, and then have a separate read/write for all things Wikimania 12 related (paired with an announce-only list) , as the constituents of the DC chapter and Wikimania lists will be differing.
As far as having a wm-dc-announce list is concerned, I think the key question is whether the people who are subscribed mainly to find out about meetups/events/etc. will be overly troubled by a large amount of "organizational" traffic on the list. Some of the more arcane things might transition to a wm-dc-board list if one is created; but there will probably continue to be significant discussion on this list as well.
One way to approach this might be to keep one list for the next couple of months, and then run a survey to see whether subscribers would prefer a split.
Kirill
Hello folks,
I'd like to be able to follow the Wikimania planning on its own list, just to make things simpler, and so I don't miss stuff. Have way too much e-mail as is to commit to wading through off-topic materials.
Could we break Wikimania planning out from general DC traffic somehow?
Thanks,
Kristin
wikimedia-dc@lists.wikimedia.org