> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:57:16 -0400
> From: "Gregory Maxwell" <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Toolserver-l] special projects server (asterisk, etc.)
> To: toolserver-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
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> On 10/7/07, The Fearow <fearow00(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Ideally we should allow total VM control - something that
> runs a total
> > new OS. That way if for instance someone wants to run something
> > important that is restricted to only one operating system,
> we can easily run it.
>
> No thank you, I like to avoid pain.
>
> We already have enough problems with users setting up widely
> used tools then losing interest leaving the tools
> unmaintained. I wouldn't want to scale that up to complete
> operating systems.
>
> We already have some 5 operating systems used in various
> parts of Wikimedia infrastructure adding more is just not
> desirable even if it's for an ancillary server.
>
> Really, I think if we do the special projects thing it should
> be done more with a focus on making things scalable,
> maintainable, and generally production grade. .. and getting
> there usually means simplicity, consistency, learnability,
> and documentation. "Lets give people a hosted VM to screw
> around with" is just the wrong direction, IMO.
That might be an argument for going with Solaris Zones... we already use
Solaris, and it doesn't introduce any new OS in the virtualised machines. I
know Solaris isn't quite as cool as other OS's... :)
Larry Pieniazek
Hobby mail: Lar at Miltontrainworks dot com