Message: 9
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:57:16 -0400
From: "Gregory Maxwell" <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Toolserver-l] special projects server (asterisk, etc.)
To: toolserver-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
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On 10/7/07, The Fearow <fearow00(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Ideally we should allow total VM control -
something that
runs a total
new OS. That way if for instance someone wants to
run something
important that is restricted to only one operating system,
we can easily run it.
No thank you, I like to avoid pain.
We already have enough problems with users setting up widely
used tools then losing interest leaving the tools
unmaintained. I wouldn't want to scale that up to complete
operating systems.
We already have some 5 operating systems used in various
parts of Wikimedia infrastructure adding more is just not
desirable even if it's for an ancillary server.
Really, I think if we do the special projects thing it should
be done more with a focus on making things scalable,
maintainable, and generally production grade. .. and getting
there usually means simplicity, consistency, learnability,
and documentation. "Lets give people a hosted VM to screw
around with" is just the wrong direction, IMO.
That might be an argument for going with Solaris Zones... we already use
Solaris, and it doesn't introduce any new OS in the virtualised machines. I
know Solaris isn't quite as cool as other OS's... :)
Larry Pieniazek
Hobby mail: Lar at Miltontrainworks dot com