The Fearow: the correct place to request software installation is in JIRA. requests there can be easily managed, whereas mailing list posts and IRC requests tend to get lost or forgotten. - river.

Luca de Alfaro: the bug tracker at https://infra.ts.wikimedia.org/jira/ - river.

Im just curious, have you considered using any other voice-com software? If so, why did you decide to go with Ventrilo? Ventrilo-clients are currently only supported on windows and mac, do you know of a linux-clients solution? (A linux-client from ventrilo was posted as "pending release" in May 2005) -HP On 05/10/2007, The Fearow <fearow00(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

Hans-Petter Fjeld wrote: It may be overkill, but I know that the Asterisk PBX supports SIP, similar to Skype and Gizmo. Alex

I'm a fairly advanced user of Asterisk, if it is decided to go with it I could help set it up. I also use Vent and TeamSpeak, so what ever works. ;) On 10/6/07, Gerald A <geraldablists(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Something slightly similar that Sean Whitton wanted to do got denied a bit ago by River: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/toolserver-l/2007-May/000765.html On 10/5/07, The Fearow <fearow00(a)hotmail.com> wrote: -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost.

The Fearow wrote: I don't think that's possible - this policy is mainly about security, so an exemption can be granted only for a specific software package. The exemption basically says "we trust that software and its maintainers" - a blanket statement would make no sense. Also keep in mind that if you install and run this on the toolserver, *you* are responsible for making a sane & secure configuration, keeping it up to date with security patches, etc. Trusting you to do that is another prerequisite to granting an exception to the policy as I understand it. -- daniel

The Fearow wrote: In my opinion (as Windows user) either it has Linux client support or it shouldn't be allowed. I do believe that Wikimedia should encourage the using of open technologies, but if they not exists, at least guarantee the compatibility with Win&Lin. Otherwise, we wouldn't sending a good message. Snowolf

In that case, I think i'm going to do with something like Asterisk. I chose Ventrilo as its already popular and has a lot of options. Does asterisk support channels, moderation, etc? One other feature about Ventrilo that as far as I can tell would be more difficult with something like Asterisk, is the TTS engine for users without a microphone. It sounds decent (although for those poor SP1 users they get Microsoft Sam), and allows users with no microphone to participate in voice chat. Could anyone provide some examples of good compatible clients that support these features? -Matt Note: I also love the idea of a gateway from standard telephone, but we probably wouldnt be able to do that. If we could it'd be a great way to start a de Wikinews Hotline (see the main page of Wikinews). _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

In that case, Asterisk is not going to work. Can we trial Ventrilo? The linux client is coming out soon enough. Asterisk lacks many of the features that we need to actually make it popular. If we cant use Ventrilo, i'm going to try building a simple system for our purposes.-Matt Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:06:25 -0700From: bjweeks16(a)gmail.comTo: toolserver-l(a)lists.wikimedia.orgSubject: Re: [Toolserver-l] Exemption to third party software ruleI think you misunderstand. Asterisk is a phone PBX that supports VoIP, it is not a internet chat application like Vent or TS. No client is going to have a GUI anything like Vent, the clients used will be so called softphones that will dial the server. Channels are conference rooms in Asterisk, like office phone conference systems. Moderation can be done, but again the clients will have no GUI for this. Asterisk can use TTS but not for what you want. People will need a mic (or phone) to use the system. For clients you need a softphone, Kiax is a good IAX softphone and X-lite is a good SIP softphone (or just google for "sip softphone" or "iax softphone"). A phone gateway would be possible (and even totally free, but you can't get free tollfree numbers). I wouldn't suggest trying to do this on your own if you have little VoIP knowledge as the learning curve is quite large. If you don't use a configuration GUI (which I think is a really bad idea) you would have to write the dialplan logic by hand and configure the rest of the system. On 10/6/07, The Fearow <fearow00(a)hotmail.com> wrote: In that case, I think i'm going to do with something like Asterisk. I chose Ventrilo as its already popular and has a lot of options. Does asterisk support channels, moderation, etc? One other feature about Ventrilo that as far as I can tell would be more difficult with something like Asterisk, is the TTS engine for users without a microphone. It sounds decent (although for those poor SP1 users they get Microsoft Sam), and allows users with no microphone to participate in voice chat. Could anyone provide some examples of good compatible clients that support these features? -MattNote: I also love the idea of a gateway from standard telephone, but we probably wouldnt be able to do that. If we could it'd be a great way to start a de Wikinews Hotline (see the main page of Wikinews). Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger_______________________________________________Toolserver-l mailing listToolserver-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/toolserver-l _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

I'm going to try that; see if I can find some decent compression libraries for java. For now, i'll cancel my request. -Matt _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

On 10/6/07, Brandon Weeks <bjweeks16(a)gmail.com> wrote: You assume too much. Right. It's not the same, however it can be used for the same purposes. I'm familiar with what the Ventrilo software does. There are several web control panels for asterisk conference rooms which could be employed to provide moderation. It's true using asterisk won't provide exactly the same thing. It would be something somewhat different with different problems and different positive points. The plus points include avoiding creating a dependancy for propritary client software and propritary client operating systems, and a boat load of more flexibiltiy. Want the PBX to call you when an item on your watchlist changes? ... not hard to do. ;) Sure it could: Just setup a web client that pipes text into channels via festiaval. It wouldn't be integrated with the softphone software, but that need not make it hard to use. Is TTS really something that people want? I'd rather have STT: Voice chat is attention monopolizing and slow.

On 10/6/07, Snowolf <snowolf(a)snowolf.eu> wrote: There is also Mumble (http://mumble.sourceforge.net/) which is also an open solution which might be a closer match to what people are looking for with Ventrilo. Although it won't be as flexible as asterisk and may need a little kicking to do exactly what people want.