Hi all,
Unfortunately the result was no good.
Articles 11 (neighbouring right for press publications) and 13 (platform liability) were carried in full as per EPP proposals.
The Freedom of Panorama and User-Generated Content exceptions didn't make it.
The final mandate was adopted 438 votes in favor, 226 against and 39 abstentions.
The Parliament will now start the negotiations with the Council (trilogue) based on this mandate. There we can work on "safeguarding the public domain" and keeping the carve-out for non-for-profit platforms like ours (which is both in the Parliament and in the Council position).
There will be a final vote in the parliament plenary after the trilogue on the the adoption of the final trilogue result. We cannot currently predict a timeline for when this final plenary vote will be, but this will take months.
Thank you everyone for the efforts, help and support. Despite the bad news you were great and against terrible odds we got the small improvements on public domain and carve-outs that wouldn't have happened without all of you. We need to remember that these are not our decisions to take in the end and the best we can do is inform and convince, which we did as best as we could.
Anna & Dimi
That is unfortunate. I just got off the phone with a journalist where I explained that we were, obviously, quite disappointed with the result and that we would continue to fight for a better free knowledge infrastructure in the future, as well as mentioning that we will be trying to protect the public domain in trilogue.
I've said this before, but I want to restate that you guys' hard work means a lot to the movement. Know that you have the support of and appreciations of thousands of Wikimedians whenever Brussels/Strasbourg becomes too depressing :)
2018-09-12 13:09 GMT+02:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com>:
Hi all,
Unfortunately the result was no good.
Articles 11 (neighbouring right for press publications) and 13 (platform liability) were carried in full as per EPP proposals.
The Freedom of Panorama and User-Generated Content exceptions didn't make it.
The final mandate was adopted 438 votes in favor, 226 against and 39 abstentions.
The Parliament will now start the negotiations with the Council (trilogue) based on this mandate. There we can work on "safeguarding the public domain" and keeping the carve-out for non-for-profit platforms like ours (which is both in the Parliament and in the Council position).
There will be a final vote in the parliament plenary after the trilogue on the the adoption of the final trilogue result. We cannot currently predict a timeline for when this final plenary vote will be, but this will take months.
Thank you everyone for the efforts, help and support. Despite the bad news you were great and against terrible odds we got the small improvements on public domain and carve-outs that wouldn't have happened without all of you. We need to remember that these are not our decisions to take in the end and the best we can do is inform and convince, which we did as best as we could.
Anna & Dimi
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And here are the roll call votes so we can see the names of those who voted for and against on Article 13, FoP and on the final vote.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2f% 2fEP%2f%2fNONSGML%2bPV%2b20180912%2bRES-RCV%2bDOC% 2bPDF%2bV0%2f%2fEN&language=EN
2018-09-12 13:09 GMT+02:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com>:
Hi all,
Unfortunately the result was no good.
Articles 11 (neighbouring right for press publications) and 13 (platform liability) were carried in full as per EPP proposals.
The Freedom of Panorama and User-Generated Content exceptions didn't make it.
The final mandate was adopted 438 votes in favor, 226 against and 39 abstentions.
The Parliament will now start the negotiations with the Council (trilogue) based on this mandate. There we can work on "safeguarding the public domain" and keeping the carve-out for non-for-profit platforms like ours (which is both in the Parliament and in the Council position).
There will be a final vote in the parliament plenary after the trilogue on the the adoption of the final trilogue result. We cannot currently predict a timeline for when this final plenary vote will be, but this will take months.
Thank you everyone for the efforts, help and support. Despite the bad news you were great and against terrible odds we got the small improvements on public domain and carve-outs that wouldn't have happened without all of you. We need to remember that these are not our decisions to take in the end and the best we can do is inform and convince, which we did as best as we could.
Anna & Dimi
You guys did amazingly, we are all super proud of the work you did.
Best
John
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 17:10, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
And here are the roll call votes so we can see the names of those who voted for and against on Article 13, FoP and on the final vote.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2f%2fEP%2f%2fNONSGML%...
2018-09-12 13:09 GMT+02:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com>:
Hi all,
Unfortunately the result was no good.
Articles 11 (neighbouring right for press publications) and 13 (platform liability) were carried in full as per EPP proposals.
The Freedom of Panorama and User-Generated Content exceptions didn't make it.
The final mandate was adopted 438 votes in favor, 226 against and 39 abstentions.
The Parliament will now start the negotiations with the Council (trilogue) based on this mandate. There we can work on "safeguarding the public domain" and keeping the carve-out for non-for-profit platforms like ours (which is both in the Parliament and in the Council position).
There will be a final vote in the parliament plenary after the trilogue on the the adoption of the final trilogue result. We cannot currently predict a timeline for when this final plenary vote will be, but this will take months.
Thank you everyone for the efforts, help and support. Despite the bad news you were great and against terrible odds we got the small improvements on public domain and carve-outs that wouldn't have happened without all of you. We need to remember that these are not our decisions to take in the end and the best we can do is inform and convince, which we did as best as we could.
Anna & Dimi
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Just for info:
Vote 16. on page 34 is Article 13 as per Voss which passed.
Vote 7. on page 16 is Freedom of Panorama.
2018-09-12 17:13 GMT+02:00 john cummings mrjohncummings@gmail.com:
You guys did amazingly, we are all super proud of the work you did.
Best
John
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 17:10, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
And here are the roll call votes so we can see the names of those who voted for and against on Article 13, FoP and on the final vote.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2f% 2fEP%2f%2fNONSGML%2bPV%2b20180912%2bRES-RCV%2bDOC% 2bPDF%2bV0%2f%2fEN&language=EN
2018-09-12 13:09 GMT+02:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com>:
Hi all,
Unfortunately the result was no good.
Articles 11 (neighbouring right for press publications) and 13 (platform liability) were carried in full as per EPP proposals.
The Freedom of Panorama and User-Generated Content exceptions didn't make it.
The final mandate was adopted 438 votes in favor, 226 against and 39 abstentions.
The Parliament will now start the negotiations with the Council (trilogue) based on this mandate. There we can work on "safeguarding the public domain" and keeping the carve-out for non-for-profit platforms like ours (which is both in the Parliament and in the Council position).
There will be a final vote in the parliament plenary after the trilogue on the the adoption of the final trilogue result. We cannot currently predict a timeline for when this final plenary vote will be, but this will take months.
Thank you everyone for the efforts, help and support. Despite the bad news you were great and against terrible odds we got the small improvements on public domain and carve-outs that wouldn't have happened without all of you. We need to remember that these are not our decisions to take in the end and the best we can do is inform and convince, which we did as best as we could.
Anna & Dimi
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I was literally just typing a "which vote is which?" email. Are there any others we should look at?
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 16:20 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
Just for info:
Vote 16. on page 34 is Article 13 as per Voss which passed.
Vote 7. on page 16 is Freedom of Panorama.
2018-09-12 17:13 GMT+02:00 john cummings mrjohncummings@gmail.com:
You guys did amazingly, we are all super proud of the work you did.
Best
John
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 17:10, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
And here are the roll call votes so we can see the names of those who voted for and against on Article 13, FoP and on the final vote.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2f%2fEP%2f%2fNONSGML%...
2018-09-12 13:09 GMT+02:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com>:
Hi all,
Unfortunately the result was no good.
Articles 11 (neighbouring right for press publications) and 13 (platform liability) were carried in full as per EPP proposals.
The Freedom of Panorama and User-Generated Content exceptions didn't make it.
The final mandate was adopted 438 votes in favor, 226 against and 39 abstentions.
The Parliament will now start the negotiations with the Council (trilogue) based on this mandate. There we can work on "safeguarding the public domain" and keeping the carve-out for non-for-profit platforms like ours (which is both in the Parliament and in the Council position).
There will be a final vote in the parliament plenary after the trilogue on the the adoption of the final trilogue result. We cannot currently predict a timeline for when this final plenary vote will be, but this will take months.
Thank you everyone for the efforts, help and support. Despite the bad news you were great and against terrible odds we got the small improvements on public domain and carve-outs that wouldn't have happened without all of you. We need to remember that these are not our decisions to take in the end and the best we can do is inform and convince, which we did as best as we could.
Anna & Dimi
Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
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(And which way did we want people to vote in each one? :D
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 16:21 Owen Blacker owen@openrightsgroup.org wrote:
I was literally just typing a "which vote is which?" email. Are there any others we should look at?
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 16:20 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
Just for info:
Vote 16. on page 34 is Article 13 as per Voss which passed.
Vote 7. on page 16 is Freedom of Panorama.
2018-09-12 17:13 GMT+02:00 john cummings mrjohncummings@gmail.com:
You guys did amazingly, we are all super proud of the work you did.
Best
John
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 17:10, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
And here are the roll call votes so we can see the names of those who voted for and against on Article 13, FoP and on the final vote.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2f%2fEP%2f%2fNONSGML%...
2018-09-12 13:09 GMT+02:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com>:
Hi all,
Unfortunately the result was no good.
Articles 11 (neighbouring right for press publications) and 13 (platform liability) were carried in full as per EPP proposals.
The Freedom of Panorama and User-Generated Content exceptions didn't make it.
The final mandate was adopted 438 votes in favor, 226 against and 39 abstentions.
The Parliament will now start the negotiations with the Council (trilogue) based on this mandate. There we can work on "safeguarding the public domain" and keeping the carve-out for non-for-profit platforms like ours (which is both in the Parliament and in the Council position).
There will be a final vote in the parliament plenary after the trilogue on the the adoption of the final trilogue result. We cannot currently predict a timeline for when this final plenary vote will be, but this will take months.
Thank you everyone for the efforts, help and support. Despite the bad news you were great and against terrible odds we got the small improvements on public domain and carve-outs that wouldn't have happened without all of you. We need to remember that these are not our decisions to take in the end and the best we can do is inform and convince, which we did as best as we could.
Anna & Dimi
Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
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Well, not every vote was a roll call vote. Here's the interesting ones:
We have UGC on Vote 8. which didn't pass 317 vs. 343
Vote 13. is a version of Article 13 which we supported - 277vs.372 (IMCO version) Vote 14. is a version of Article 13 which we supported - 266vs.404 (Greens/EFA version) Vote 15. is a version of Article 13 which we supported - 195vs.497 (deletion by GUE and EFDD) Vote 16. is the version by Voss that passed 366vs.297
Vote 18. is the mandate to start the trilogue.
2018-09-12 17:22 GMT+02:00 Owen Blacker owen@openrightsgroup.org:
(And which way did we want people to vote in each one? :D
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 16:21 Owen Blacker owen@openrightsgroup.org wrote:
I was literally just typing a "which vote is which?" email. Are there any others we should look at?
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 16:20 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
Just for info:
Vote 16. on page 34 is Article 13 as per Voss which passed.
Vote 7. on page 16 is Freedom of Panorama.
2018-09-12 17:13 GMT+02:00 john cummings mrjohncummings@gmail.com:
You guys did amazingly, we are all super proud of the work you did.
Best
John
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 17:10, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
And here are the roll call votes so we can see the names of those who voted for and against on Article 13, FoP and on the final vote.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2f% 2fEP%2f%2fNONSGML%2bPV%2b20180912%2bRES-RCV%2bDOC% 2bPDF%2bV0%2f%2fEN&language=EN
2018-09-12 13:09 GMT+02:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com>:
Hi all,
Unfortunately the result was no good.
Articles 11 (neighbouring right for press publications) and 13 (platform liability) were carried in full as per EPP proposals.
The Freedom of Panorama and User-Generated Content exceptions didn't make it.
The final mandate was adopted 438 votes in favor, 226 against and 39 abstentions.
The Parliament will now start the negotiations with the Council (trilogue) based on this mandate. There we can work on "safeguarding the public domain" and keeping the carve-out for non-for-profit platforms like ours (which is both in the Parliament and in the Council position).
There will be a final vote in the parliament plenary after the trilogue on the the adoption of the final trilogue result. We cannot currently predict a timeline for when this final plenary vote will be, but this will take months.
Thank you everyone for the efforts, help and support. Despite the bad news you were great and against terrible odds we got the small improvements on public domain and carve-outs that wouldn't have happened without all of you. We need to remember that these are not our decisions to take in the end and the best we can do is inform and convince, which we did as best as we could.
Anna & Dimi
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So sad seeing so many Portuguese names voting against the Freedom of Panorama amendment... :(
Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com escreveu no dia quarta, 12/09/2018 à(s) 16:20:
Just for info:
Vote 16. on page 34 is Article 13 as per Voss which passed.
Vote 7. on page 16 is Freedom of Panorama.
2018-09-12 17:13 GMT+02:00 john cummings mrjohncummings@gmail.com:
You guys did amazingly, we are all super proud of the work you did.
Best
John
On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 17:10, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
And here are the roll call votes so we can see the names of those who voted for and against on Article 13, FoP and on the final vote.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2f%2fEP%2f%2fNONSGML%...
2018-09-12 13:09 GMT+02:00 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com>:
Hi all,
Unfortunately the result was no good.
Articles 11 (neighbouring right for press publications) and 13 (platform liability) were carried in full as per EPP proposals.
The Freedom of Panorama and User-Generated Content exceptions didn't make it.
The final mandate was adopted 438 votes in favor, 226 against and 39 abstentions.
The Parliament will now start the negotiations with the Council (trilogue) based on this mandate. There we can work on "safeguarding the public domain" and keeping the carve-out for non-for-profit platforms like ours (which is both in the Parliament and in the Council position).
There will be a final vote in the parliament plenary after the trilogue on the the adoption of the final trilogue result. We cannot currently predict a timeline for when this final plenary vote will be, but this will take months.
Thank you everyone for the efforts, help and support. Despite the bad news you were great and against terrible odds we got the small improvements on public domain and carve-outs that wouldn't have happened without all of you. We need to remember that these are not our decisions to take in the end and the best we can do is inform and convince, which we did as best as we could.
Anna & Dimi
Publicpolicy mailing list Publicpolicy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/publicpolicy
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On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 8:14 AM john cummings mrjohncummings@gmail.com wrote:
You guys did amazingly, we are all super proud of the work you did.
Seconding this. Thanks for all the hard work even if the outcome (so far) is not ideal.
Luis
Hi everyone,
As you all know, the European Parliament voted yesterday to adopt MEP Voss’s amendments to the new Copyright Directive. These amendments, while facially different from the JURI text, will likely still impose pre-filtering obligations on platforms. As Dimi mentioned, the few exceptions and safeguards we were able to successfully advocate for are limited in scope. You can find the full text of what has been adopted here: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+TA+P8-TA-20...
This is a disappointing https://twitter.com/wikimediapolicy/status/1039971216692371456 result for sure, and realistically, it will become increasingly difficult to make any meaningful changes as it goes to the Trilogue. As always, though, we will look for opportunities to oppose defend and advance our public policy agenda going forward. We will continue to keep this list updated when those opportunities arise.
We would like to thank everyone who engaged on this, whether it was through attending meetings, providing translations, coordination with the communities, or being active on this email list. Our campaign drove thousands of messages to MEPs and millions of impressions on on the #fixcopyright hashtag. This effort would not have been possible without the support of a huge group of Wikimedians coming together. In particular, we would like to reiterate everyone’s sentiments below that Dimi and Anna have done an excellent job throughout this whole process and are hopefully enjoying a well-deserved rest at the moment.
We will be publishing a blog post later this week discussing the full implication of this vote, and we have updated the landing page https://fixcopyright.wikimedia.org/ (in English) with a statement from the Wikimedia Foundation.
Until then, Allison, Stephen, and Jan
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 2:33 PM Luis Villa luis@lu.is wrote:
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 8:14 AM john cummings mrjohncummings@gmail.com wrote:
You guys did amazingly, we are all super proud of the work you did.
Seconding this. Thanks for all the hard work even if the outcome (so far) is not ideal.
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