It’s not clear to me what will be done with the answers proposed so far at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Will they be submitted as they are, or is someone proposing to merge them into a single version (even though many answers have been signed)?
Also unclear unless I have missed something is who will the answers be submitted by, and on whose behalf? Only individuals - and not the Foundation nor chapters - have formally posted answers so far, so is the intention that the answers will be submitted by and on behalf of those individuals only?
The page says that the response "can be submitted by the Wikimedia Foundation and other interested groups”, so perhaps the answers are merely intended as a resource others can use if they wish?
If the intention is that a formal response will be submitted on behalf of the unincorporated group Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU, then it would be sensible for that group to register with the EU Transparency Register, here:
http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/info/homePage.do?locale=en
According to the EU, responses to the consultation from non-registered entities will "be published separately from the registered organisations”, which may mean less influence. See:
http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/consultations/2013/copyright-rules/index...
(I note that the Foundation is not registered!)
By the way, WMUK will be completing and filing its own separate response.
Michael
From: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com Date: 21 January 2014 14:51 Subject: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi everyone,
Just a quick reminder that we have 6 more days to collaboratively draft answers to the European Commission's copyright consultation.
The idea is to give the global, online community a chance to come up with answers that, if coherent enough, can then be officially given to the Commission.
We see this as a social experiment, since no one until now has ever attempted to answer collaboratively and publicly such short-termed and in-depth consultations.
The corresponding link is:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Have fun answering!
Dimi _______________________________________________
HI Michael,
2014-01-27 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
It’s not clear to me what will be done with the answers proposed so far at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Will they be submitted as they are, or is someone proposing to merge them into a single version (even though many answers have been signed)?
Also unclear unless I have missed something is who will the answers be submitted by, and on whose behalf? Only individuals - and not the Foundation nor chapters - have formally posted answers so far, so is the intention that the answers will be submitted by and on behalf of those individuals only?
We will try our best to merge the many different answers into a coherent set. If this works, the WMF,chapters and individuals will be free to decide whether they wish to submit these answers in their own name.
If the intention is that a formal response will be submitted on behalf of the unincorporated group *Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU*, then it would be sensible for that group to register with the EU Transparency Register, here:
Inded,the intention for this was to have a more formal response (and sfety net, as we couldn't have been sure how well the experiment on Meta-Wiki will work). In this case again, each chapter and individual is free to use the answering set. As far as the Transparency register is concerned, we cannot list the Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU, since it is not a legal entity. We do, however, have three chapters that are on this register - WMDE, WMIT and WMMK. It is up to each and every chapter to do this step. Alternatively we can talk about actually founding the FKAGEU, but that is a conversation that need to be led in a differnt setting.
Dimi
From: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com Date: 21 January 2014 14:51 Subject: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi everyone,
Just a quick reminder that we have 6 more days to collaboratively draft answers to the European Commission's copyright consultation.
The idea is to give the global, online community a chance to come up with answers that, if coherent enough, can then be officially given to the Commission.
We see this as a social experiment, since no one until now has ever attempted to answer collaboratively and publicly such short-termed and in-depth consultations.
The corresponding link is:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Have fun answering!
Dimi _______________________________________________
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Hi Dimitar
There is no need to turn FKAGEU into an incorporated entity in order to register on the EU's Transparency Register. The EU site specifically says that:
Networks, platforms or other forms of collective activity without a legal status or legal personality but which constitute de facto a source of organised influence, and engaged in activities falling within the scope of the register are expected to register. In such case its members should identify one of their number as its responsible contact person for their relations with the administration of the register.
http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/info/your-organisation/whoRegister....
It's not very clear what that means, but presumably something more than a loose collection of interested individuals, as reference is made to "members", and the form that needs to be filled in refers to "organisations".
Michael
On 27 Jan 2014, at 10:28, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:
HI Michael,
2014-01-27 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name It’s not clear to me what will be done with the answers proposed so far at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Will they be submitted as they are, or is someone proposing to merge them into a single version (even though many answers have been signed)?
Also unclear unless I have missed something is who will the answers be submitted by, and on whose behalf? Only individuals - and not the Foundation nor chapters - have formally posted answers so far, so is the intention that the answers will be submitted by and on behalf of those individuals only?
We will try our best to merge the many different answers into a coherent set. If this works, the WMF,chapters and individuals will be free to decide whether they wish to submit these answers in their own name.
If the intention is that a formal response will be submitted on behalf of the unincorporated group Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU, then it would be sensible for that group to register with the EU Transparency Register, here:
Inded,the intention for this was to have a more formal response (and sfety net, as we couldn't have been sure how well the experiment on Meta-Wiki will work). In this case again, each chapter and individual is free to use the answering set. As far as the Transparency register is concerned, we cannot list the Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU, since it is not a legal entity. We do, however, have three chapters that are on this register - WMDE, WMIT and WMMK. It is up to each and every chapter to do this step. Alternatively we can talk about actually founding the FKAGEU, but that is a conversation that need to be led in a differnt setting.
Dimi
From: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com Date: 21 January 2014 14:51 Subject: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi everyone,
Just a quick reminder that we have 6 more days to collaboratively draft answers to the European Commission's copyright consultation.
The idea is to give the global, online community a chance to come up with answers that, if coherent enough, can then be officially given to the Commission.
We see this as a social experiment, since no one until now has ever attempted to answer collaboratively and publicly such short-termed and in-depth consultations.
The corresponding link is:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Have fun answering!
Dimi _______________________________________________
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Hello everyone,
I will be registering Wikimedia UK on the transparency register later on this week (tomorrow, I hope).
Dimi, shall I look at registering the FKAGEU while I'm at it? Given Michael's comment above it seems perfectly reasonable for the group to be registered.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 27 January 2014 12:13, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Hi Dimitar
There is no need to turn FKAGEU into an incorporated entity in order to register on the EU's Transparency Register. The EU site specifically says that:
*Networks, platforms or other forms of collective activity without a legal status or legal personality but which constitute de facto a source of organised influence, and engaged in activities falling within the scope of the register are expected to register. In such case its members should identify one of their number as its responsible contact person for their relations with the administration of the register.*
http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/info/your-organisation/whoRegister....
It's not very clear what that means, but presumably something more than a loose collection of interested individuals, as reference is made to "members", and the form that needs to be filled in refers to "organisations".
Michael
On 27 Jan 2014, at 10:28, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:
HI Michael,
2014-01-27 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
It’s not clear to me what will be done with the answers proposed so far at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Will they be submitted as they are, or is someone proposing to merge them into a single version (even though many answers have been signed)?
Also unclear unless I have missed something is who will the answers be submitted by, and on whose behalf? Only individuals - and not the Foundation nor chapters - have formally posted answers so far, so is the intention that the answers will be submitted by and on behalf of those individuals only?
We will try our best to merge the many different answers into a coherent set. If this works, the WMF,chapters and individuals will be free to decide whether they wish to submit these answers in their own name.
If the intention is that a formal response will be submitted on behalf of the unincorporated group *Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU*, then it would be sensible for that group to register with the EU Transparency Register, here:
Inded,the intention for this was to have a more formal response (and sfety net, as we couldn't have been sure how well the experiment on Meta-Wiki will work). In this case again, each chapter and individual is free to use the answering set. As far as the Transparency register is concerned, we cannot list the Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU, since it is not a legal entity. We do, however, have three chapters that are on this register - WMDE, WMIT and WMMK. It is up to each and every chapter to do this step. Alternatively we can talk about actually founding the FKAGEU, but that is a conversation that need to be led in a differnt setting.
Dimi
From: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com Date: 21 January 2014 14:51 Subject: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi everyone,
Just a quick reminder that we have 6 more days to collaboratively draft answers to the European Commission's copyright consultation.
The idea is to give the global, online community a chance to come up with answers that, if coherent enough, can then be officially given to the Commission.
We see this as a social experiment, since no one until now has ever attempted to answer collaboratively and publicly such short-termed and in-depth consultations.
The corresponding link is:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Have fun answering!
Dimi _______________________________________________
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Hi Stevie,
yes, please have a look at it. If possible we should have the FKGAEU registered. If you don't manage let me know and I will try. I have the Brussels address anyway.
Dimi
2014-01-27 Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk
Hello everyone,
I will be registering Wikimedia UK on the transparency register later on this week (tomorrow, I hope).
Dimi, shall I look at registering the FKAGEU while I'm at it? Given Michael's comment above it seems perfectly reasonable for the group to be registered.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 27 January 2014 12:13, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Hi Dimitar
There is no need to turn FKAGEU into an incorporated entity in order to register on the EU's Transparency Register. The EU site specifically says that:
*Networks, platforms or other forms of collective activity without a legal status or legal personality but which constitute de facto a source of organised influence, and engaged in activities falling within the scope of the register are expected to register. In such case its members should identify one of their number as its responsible contact person for their relations with the administration of the register.*
http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/info/your-organisation/whoRegister....
It's not very clear what that means, but presumably something more than a loose collection of interested individuals, as reference is made to "members", and the form that needs to be filled in refers to "organisations".
Michael
On 27 Jan 2014, at 10:28, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:
HI Michael,
2014-01-27 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
It's not clear to me what will be done with the answers proposed so far at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Will they be submitted as they are, or is someone proposing to merge them into a single version (even though many answers have been signed)?
Also unclear unless I have missed something is who will the answers be submitted by, and on whose behalf? Only individuals - and not the Foundation nor chapters - have formally posted answers so far, so is the intention that the answers will be submitted by and on behalf of those individuals only?
We will try our best to merge the many different answers into a coherent set. If this works, the WMF,chapters and individuals will be free to decide whether they wish to submit these answers in their own name.
If the intention is that a formal response will be submitted on behalf of the unincorporated group *Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU*, then it would be sensible for that group to register with the EU Transparency Register, here:
Inded,the intention for this was to have a more formal response (and sfety net, as we couldn't have been sure how well the experiment on Meta-Wiki will work). In this case again, each chapter and individual is free to use the answering set. As far as the Transparency register is concerned, we cannot list the Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU, since it is not a legal entity. We do, however, have three chapters that are on this register - WMDE, WMIT and WMMK. It is up to each and every chapter to do this step. Alternatively we can talk about actually founding the FKAGEU, but that is a conversation that need to be led in a differnt setting.
Dimi
From: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com Date: 21 January 2014 14:51 Subject: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi everyone,
Just a quick reminder that we have 6 more days to collaboratively draft answers to the European Commission's copyright consultation.
The idea is to give the global, online community a chance to come up with answers that, if coherent enough, can then be officially given to the Commission.
We see this as a social experiment, since no one until now has ever attempted to answer collaboratively and publicly such short-termed and in-depth consultations.
The corresponding link is:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Have fun answering!
Dimi _______________________________________________
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OK, great. I'll take a look tomorrow and let you know how it goes.
Stevie
On 27 January 2014 17:09, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Stevie,
yes, please have a look at it. If possible we should have the FKGAEU registered. If you don't manage let me know and I will try. I have the Brussels address anyway.
Dimi
2014-01-27 Stevie Benton stevie.benton@wikimedia.org.uk
Hello everyone,
I will be registering Wikimedia UK on the transparency register later on this week (tomorrow, I hope).
Dimi, shall I look at registering the FKAGEU while I'm at it? Given Michael's comment above it seems perfectly reasonable for the group to be registered.
Thanks and regards,
Stevie
On 27 January 2014 12:13, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Hi Dimitar
There is no need to turn FKAGEU into an incorporated entity in order to register on the EU's Transparency Register. The EU site specifically says that:
*Networks, platforms or other forms of collective activity without a legal status or legal personality but which constitute de facto a source of organised influence, and engaged in activities falling within the scope of the register are expected to register. In such case its members should identify one of their number as its responsible contact person for their relations with the administration of the register.*
http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/info/your-organisation/whoRegister....
It's not very clear what that means, but presumably something more than a loose collection of interested individuals, as reference is made to "members", and the form that needs to be filled in refers to "organisations".
Michael
On 27 Jan 2014, at 10:28, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:
HI Michael,
2014-01-27 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
It’s not clear to me what will be done with the answers proposed so far at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Will they be submitted as they are, or is someone proposing to merge them into a single version (even though many answers have been signed)?
Also unclear unless I have missed something is who will the answers be submitted by, and on whose behalf? Only individuals - and not the Foundation nor chapters - have formally posted answers so far, so is the intention that the answers will be submitted by and on behalf of those individuals only?
We will try our best to merge the many different answers into a coherent set. If this works, the WMF,chapters and individuals will be free to decide whether they wish to submit these answers in their own name.
If the intention is that a formal response will be submitted on behalf of the unincorporated group *Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU*, then it would be sensible for that group to register with the EU Transparency Register, here:
Inded,the intention for this was to have a more formal response (and sfety net, as we couldn't have been sure how well the experiment on Meta-Wiki will work). In this case again, each chapter and individual is free to use the answering set. As far as the Transparency register is concerned, we cannot list the Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU, since it is not a legal entity. We do, however, have three chapters that are on this register - WMDE, WMIT and WMMK. It is up to each and every chapter to do this step. Alternatively we can talk about actually founding the FKAGEU, but that is a conversation that need to be led in a differnt setting.
Dimi
From: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com Date: 21 January 2014 14:51 Subject: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi everyone,
Just a quick reminder that we have 6 more days to collaboratively draft answers to the European Commission's copyright consultation.
The idea is to give the global, online community a chance to come up with answers that, if coherent enough, can then be officially given to the Commission.
We see this as a social experiment, since no one until now has ever attempted to answer collaboratively and publicly such short-termed and in-depth consultations.
The corresponding link is:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Have fun answering!
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:28 AM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
HI Michael,
2014-01-27 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
It’s not clear to me what will be done with the answers proposed so far at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Will they be submitted as they are, or is someone proposing to merge them into a single version (even though many answers have been signed)?
Also unclear unless I have missed something is who will the answers be submitted by, and on whose behalf? Only individuals - and not the Foundation nor chapters - have formally posted answers so far, so is the intention that the answers will be submitted by and on behalf of those individuals only?
We will try our best to merge the many different answers into a coherent set. If this works, the WMF,chapters and individuals will be free to decide whether they wish to submit these answers in their own name.
I think our idea when we proposed this was that the Foundation would use these responses as the basis of the formal Foundation response. I hope to start pulling those together this afternoon and post them for brief review comment in the next few days; we'll then take that and turn it into a better formatted answer.
Chapters would of course also be free to use them, though I think many of the EU-based chapters are planning to use the excellent answers at http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/ (which we will also use as a reference where the people contributing on-wiki have not answered, or have only given a very small number of answers).
We're still learning/experimenting here, so thoughts/comments/etc. totally welcome!
Luis
Great to have these clarifications, Luis!
Just an additional link - the direct link to the answering guide is http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia
Dimi
2014-01-27 Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:28 AM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
HI Michael,
2014-01-27 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name
It’s not clear to me what will be done with the answers proposed so far
at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Will they be submitted as they are, or is someone proposing to merge them into a single version (even though many answers have been signed)?
Also unclear unless I have missed something is who will the answers be submitted by, and on whose behalf? Only individuals - and not the Foundation nor chapters - have formally posted answers so far, so is the intention that the answers will be submitted by and on behalf of those individuals only?
We will try our best to merge the many different answers into a coherent set. If this works, the WMF,chapters and individuals will be free to decide whether they wish to submit these answers in their own name.
I think our idea when we proposed this was that the Foundation would use these responses as the basis of the formal Foundation response. I hope to start pulling those together this afternoon and post them for brief review comment in the next few days; we'll then take that and turn it into a better formatted answer.
Chapters would of course also be free to use them, though I think many of the EU-based chapters are planning to use the excellent answers at http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/ (which we will also use as a reference where the people contributing on-wiki have not answered, or have only given a very small number of answers).
We're still learning/experimenting here, so thoughts/comments/etc. totally welcome!
Luis
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I've spent a good chunk of the day reading through the first 31 questions; the comments on meta about those questions, and the responses proposed by Dimi and others at http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia
All the comments essentially agree, with only some small variations. Since we don't have any serious splits of opinion, I think the idea of a combined answer that represents this as the opinion of the Foundation makes sense. (Not clear to what extent we should also represent this as the opinion of Wikimedians - opinions welcome on that.)
With that goal in mind, I've drafted proposed answers to each question, which incorporate comments from (among others) Seb35, Deryck C., Sapfan, NaBUru38, Aktron, and Kaldari.
I think the best place to discuss individual answers is in the talk pages, so I'll start uploading those shortly. I've also more-or-less copied this email into https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:European_Commission_copyright_consultat... people prefer to discuss there.
Luis
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:09 AM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
It's not clear to me what will be done with the answers proposed so far at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Will they be submitted as they are, or is someone proposing to merge them into a single version (even though many answers have been signed)?
Also unclear unless I have missed something is who will the answers be submitted by, and on whose behalf? Only individuals - and not the Foundation nor chapters - have formally posted answers so far, so is the intention that the answers will be submitted by and on behalf of those individuals only?
The page says that the response "*can be submitted by the Wikimedia Foundation and other interested groups*", so perhaps the answers are merely intended as a resource others can use if they wish?
If the intention is that a formal response will be submitted on behalf of the unincorporated group *Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU*, then it would be sensible for that group to register with the EU Transparency Register, here:
http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/info/homePage.do?locale=en
According to the EU, responses to the consultation from non-registered entities will "*be published separately from the registered organisations"*, which may mean less influence. See:
http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/consultations/2013/copyright-rules/index...
(I note that the Foundation is not registered!)
By the way, WMUK will be completing and filing its own separate response.
Michael
From: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com Date: 21 January 2014 14:51 Subject: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Hi everyone,
Just a quick reminder that we have 6 more days to collaboratively draft answers to the European Commission's copyright consultation.
The idea is to give the global, online community a chance to come up with answers that, if coherent enough, can then be officially given to the Commission.
We see this as a social experiment, since no one until now has ever attempted to answer collaboratively and publicly such short-termed and in-depth consultations.
The corresponding link is:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Commission_copyright_consultation
Have fun answering!
Dimi _______________________________________________
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Hi Luis
Just a reminder. You do know, I expect, that before filing a submission you are expected by the Commission to register the Foundation with the EU Transparency Register? You are not registered yet.
http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/info/homePage.do?locale=en
Best regards
Michael
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On 28 Jan 2014, at 08:00, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
I've spent a good chunk of the day reading through the first 31 questions; the comments on meta about those questions, and the responses proposed by Dimi and others at http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia
All the comments essentially agree, with only some small variations. Since we don't have any serious splits of opinion, I think the idea of a combined answer that represents this as the opinion of the Foundation makes sense. (Not clear to what extent we should also represent this as the opinion of Wikimedians - opinions welcome on that.)
With that goal in mind, I've drafted proposed answers to each question, which incorporate comments from (among others) Seb35, Deryck C., Sapfan, NaBUru38, Aktron, and Kaldari.
I think the best place to discuss individual answers is in the talk pages, so I'll start uploading those shortly. I've also more-or-less copied this email into https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:European_Commission_copyright_consultat... if people prefer to discuss there.
Luis
[Dropping wikimedia-l and wikimedia-uk, since we're down in the weeds a bit now.]
My understanding is that it is optional, but yes, I believe we're considering it.
Luis
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Hi Luis
Just a reminder. You do know, I expect, that before filing a submission you are expected by the Commission to register the Foundation with the EU Transparency Register? You are not registered yet.
http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/info/homePage.do?locale=en
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 28 Jan 2014, at 08:00, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
I've spent a good chunk of the day reading through the first 31 questions; the comments on meta about those questions, and the responses proposed by Dimi and others at http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia
All the comments essentially agree, with only some small variations. Since we don't have any serious splits of opinion, I think the idea of a combined answer that represents this as the opinion of the Foundation makes sense. (Not clear to what extent we should also represent this as the opinion of Wikimedians - opinions welcome on that.)
With that goal in mind, I've drafted proposed answers to each question, which incorporate comments from (among others) Seb35, Deryck C., Sapfan, NaBUru38, Aktron, and Kaldari.
I think the best place to discuss individual answers is in the talk pages, so I'll start uploading those shortly. I've also more-or-less copied this email into https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:European_Commission_copyright_consultat... people prefer to discuss there.
Luis
HI,
about the Transparency Register - you can indeed submit answers without being registered. Of course, having a registration is advisable in the long run if one plans to do more things with the EU, but it is not (yet) compulsory.
Dimi
2014-01-28 Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org
[Dropping wikimedia-l and wikimedia-uk, since we're down in the weeds a bit now.]
My understanding is that it is optional, but yes, I believe we're considering it.
Luis
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Hi Luis
Just a reminder. You do know, I expect, that before filing a submission you are expected by the Commission to register the Foundation with the EU Transparency Register? You are not registered yet.
http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/info/homePage.do?locale=en
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 28 Jan 2014, at 08:00, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
I've spent a good chunk of the day reading through the first 31 questions; the comments on meta about those questions, and the responses proposed by Dimi and others at http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia
All the comments essentially agree, with only some small variations. Since we don't have any serious splits of opinion, I think the idea of a combined answer that represents this as the opinion of the Foundation makes sense. (Not clear to what extent we should also represent this as the opinion of Wikimedians - opinions welcome on that.)
With that goal in mind, I've drafted proposed answers to each question, which incorporate comments from (among others) Seb35, Deryck C., Sapfan, NaBUru38, Aktron, and Kaldari.
I think the best place to discuss individual answers is in the talk pages, so I'll start uploading those shortly. I've also more-or-less copied this email into https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:European_Commission_copyright_consultat... people prefer to discuss there.
Luis
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FYI Creative Commons registered a few years ago. It's relatively painless, but does require you to get some numbers from your finances dept. And you just have to update it once per year.
tvol
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
HI,
about the Transparency Register - you can indeed submit answers without being registered. Of course, having a registration is advisable in the long run if one plans to do more things with the EU, but it is not (yet) compulsory.
Dimi
2014-01-28 Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org
[Dropping wikimedia-l and wikimedia-uk, since we're down in the weeds a bit now.]
My understanding is that it is optional, but yes, I believe we're considering it.
Luis
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.namewrote:
Hi Luis
Just a reminder. You do know, I expect, that before filing a submission you are expected by the Commission to register the Foundation with the EU Transparency Register? You are not registered yet.
http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/info/homePage.do?locale=en
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 28 Jan 2014, at 08:00, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
I've spent a good chunk of the day reading through the first 31 questions; the comments on meta about those questions, and the responses proposed by Dimi and others at http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia
All the comments essentially agree, with only some small variations. Since we don't have any serious splits of opinion, I think the idea of a combined answer that represents this as the opinion of the Foundation makes sense. (Not clear to what extent we should also represent this as the opinion of Wikimedians - opinions welcome on that.)
With that goal in mind, I've drafted proposed answers to each question, which incorporate comments from (among others) Seb35, Deryck C., Sapfan, NaBUru38, Aktron, and Kaldari.
I think the best place to discuss individual answers is in the talk pages, so I'll start uploading those shortly. I've also more-or-less copied this email into https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:European_Commission_copyright_consultat... people prefer to discuss there.
Luis
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Indeed, but responses from unregistered entities will be published separately from the rest, and given what I know of EU politics will be treated less seriously as there is a lot of concern in Brussels about transparency in lobbying. The commission say that they ‘expect’ registration, which is not the same as requiring it, of course, but makes their thinking pretty clear. In my view it would look very odd indeed if an entity like the WMF were not to be registered.
Michael
On 28 Jan 2014, at 19:24, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com wrote:
HI,
about the Transparency Register - you can indeed submit answers without being registered. Of course, having a registration is advisable in the long run if one plans to do more things with the EU, but it is not (yet) compulsory.
Dimi
2014-01-28 Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org [Dropping wikimedia-l and wikimedia-uk, since we're down in the weeds a bit now.]
My understanding is that it is optional, but yes, I believe we're considering it.
Luis
On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote: Hi Luis
Just a reminder. You do know, I expect, that before filing a submission you are expected by the Commission to register the Foundation with the EU Transparency Register? You are not registered yet.
http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/info/homePage.do?locale=en
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 28 Jan 2014, at 08:00, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
I've spent a good chunk of the day reading through the first 31 questions; the comments on meta about those questions, and the responses proposed by Dimi and others at http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/en/full/?guide=wikimedia
All the comments essentially agree, with only some small variations. Since we don't have any serious splits of opinion, I think the idea of a combined answer that represents this as the opinion of the Foundation makes sense. (Not clear to what extent we should also represent this as the opinion of Wikimedians - opinions welcome on that.)
With that goal in mind, I've drafted proposed answers to each question, which incorporate comments from (among others) Seb35, Deryck C., Sapfan, NaBUru38, Aktron, and Kaldari.
I think the best place to discuss individual answers is in the talk pages, so I'll start uploading those shortly. I've also more-or-less copied this email into https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:European_Commission_copyright_consultat... if people prefer to discuss there.
Luis
-- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810
NOTICE: This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity.
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