Period
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/consultations/2013/copyright-rules/index...
Mathias, That is indeed a good news. So far all I know was like they won't extend it no matter what. This is a total surprise. Jan ______________________________________________________________
Od: Mathias Schindler mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de Komu: Advocacy Advisory Group for WMF LCA advocacy_advisors@lists.wikimedia.org Datum: 31.01.2014 23:02 Předmět: [Advocacy Advisors] EU copyright consultation deadline has beenextended
Period
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/consultations/2013/copyright-rules/index... http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/consultations/2013/copyright-rules/index_en.htm
I emailed them two weeks ago and suggested an extension and they replied that they are going to look into it. Everyone else got "can' do"-replies. In the end, it might have just been the stream of people suggesting the same.
2014-01-31 aktron@centrum.cz:
Mathias,
That is indeed a good news. So far all I know was like they won't extend it no matter what. This is a total surprise.
Jan
Od: Mathias Schindler mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de Komu: Advocacy Advisory Group for WMF LCA advocacy_advisors@lists.wikimedia.org Datum: 31.01.2014 23:02 Předmět: [Advocacy Advisors] EU copyright consultation deadline has beenextended
Period
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/consultations/2013/copyright-rules/index...
-- Mathias Schindler Projektmanager Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de
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That's terrific to hear!
As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a little more time to review and flesh those out.
[For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows:
From *05.12.2013* to *05.03.2014 (deadline extended)*.
]
Luis
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Mathias Schindler < mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de> wrote:
I emailed them two weeks ago and suggested an extension and they replied that they are going to look into it. Everyone else got "can' do"-replies. In the end, it might have just been the stream of people suggesting the same.
2014-01-31 aktron@centrum.cz:
Mathias,
That is indeed a good news. So far all I know was like they won't extend
it
no matter what. This is a total surprise.
Jan
Od: Mathias Schindler mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de Komu: Advocacy Advisory Group for WMF LCA advocacy_advisors@lists.wikimedia.org Datum: 31.01.2014 23:02 Předmět: [Advocacy Advisors] EU copyright consultation deadline has beenextended
Period
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/consultations/2013/copyright-rules/index...
-- Mathias Schindler Projektmanager Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de
Ceterum censeo opera officiales esse liberandam - http://urheberrecht.wikimedia.de/
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
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Ceterum censeo opera officiales esse liberandam - http://urheberrecht.wikimedia.de/
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Thanks for the update. Not sure how “terrific" I find that news, personally, given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days working to meet the original deadline!
Best regards
Michael
____________ Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's terrific to hear!
As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a little more time to review and flesh those out.
[For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows:
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
]
Luis
I sympathize with the many, many hours spent; the "terrific" from me was mostly that I anticipated one more very long night (personally) and not much time for the community to review/discuss/refine, which we'll now have more of a chance to do.
Have a good (better? :) weekend- Luis
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news, personally, given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days working to meet the original deadline!
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's terrific to hear!
As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a little more time to review and flesh those out.
[For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows:
From *05.12.2013* to *05.03.2014 (deadline extended)*.
]
Luis
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Hi,
Everyone I know in Brussels including us have asked for a extension. And while the answer was constantly "this cannot be done", which was emphasised even by Commissioner Barnier a few weeks back, the sudden change of tune needs to be analysed as well.
The extension is at the same time very good news and a tiny bit worrisome.
Rumour here has it that the services (i.e. the expert bureaucrats) are in a hurry to complete a proposal, while the cabinet (i.e. the political division) isn't. The thing is that if they don't complete this within their term (keeping EP elections in May and new Commission before the end of the year), no one can knows what the new cabinet will do. They could even decide to not go ahead with a proposal at all and kill the process. All of this is fortune-telling for now, but important to keep in mind. Part of the requests for an extension came from organisations that are outright hostile toward a meaningful copyright reform exactly because they hope to halt the entire thing.
Dimi
Dimi
2014-02-01 Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org:
I sympathize with the many, many hours spent; the "terrific" from me was mostly that I anticipated one more very long night (personally) and not much time for the community to review/discuss/refine, which we'll now have more of a chance to do.
Have a good (better? :) weekend- Luis
On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news, personally, given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days working to meet the original deadline!
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's terrific to hear!
As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a little more time to review and flesh those out.
[For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows:
From *05.12.2013* to *05.03.2014 (deadline extended)*.
]
Luis
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On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
Rumour here has it that the services (i.e. the expert bureaucrats) are in a hurry to complete a proposal, while the cabinet (i.e. the political division) isn't. The thing is that if they don't complete this within their term (keeping EP elections in May and new Commission before the end of the year), no one can knows what the new cabinet will do. They could even decide to not go ahead with a proposal at all and kill the process. All of this is fortune-telling for now, but important to keep in mind.
Should it impact our answers at all? i.e., should we be making them more aggressively/clearly in favor of acting now? or should we just go forward as previously planned?
Luis
My feeling tells me that we shouldn't change the way we replied.
2014-02-02 Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org:
On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov@gmail.com> wrote:
Rumour here has it that the services (i.e. the expert bureaucrats) are in a hurry to complete a proposal, while the cabinet (i.e. the political division) isn't. The thing is that if they don't complete this within their term (keeping EP elections in May and new Commission before the end of the year), no one can knows what the new cabinet will do. They could even decide to not go ahead with a proposal at all and kill the process. All of this is fortune-telling for now, but important to keep in mind.
Should it impact our answers at all? i.e., should we be making them more aggressively/clearly in favor of acting now? or should we just go forward as previously planned?
Luis
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Quick query - given the extensions, have we filed the WMF submission yet or are we holding off for further comments through February? Not clear from the meta page...
A.
On 31 January 2014 23:25, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news, personally, given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days working to meet the original deadline!
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's terrific to hear!
As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a little more time to review and flesh those out.
[For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows:
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
]
Luis
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I changed the schedule yesterday morning- where are you looking?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_c...
Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.ukwrote:
Quick query - given the extensions, have we filed the WMF submission yet or are we holding off for further comments through February? Not clear from the meta page...
A.
On 31 January 2014 23:25, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news,
personally,
given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days working to meet the original deadline!
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's terrific to hear!
As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a little more time to review and flesh those out.
[For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows:
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
]
Luis
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In my infinite competence, I apparently missed that section entirely. Apologies :-)
A.
On 4 February 2014 15:26, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
I changed the schedule yesterday morning- where are you looking?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_c...
Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Quick query - given the extensions, have we filed the WMF submission yet or are we holding off for further comments through February? Not clear from the meta page...
A.
On 31 January 2014 23:25, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news, personally, given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days working to meet the original deadline!
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's terrific to hear!
As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a little more time to review and flesh those out.
[For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows:
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
]
Luis
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No worries, as long as we're (literally) on the same page :)
Note for everyone: I've flagged Friday as my goal to finish the handful of remaining questions, but please: for the 65+ questions that I've already drafted answers to, please go ahead and review/add questions! (or for UK and other chapters, feel free to use to inform your own answers).
Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.ukwrote:
In my infinite competence, I apparently missed that section entirely. Apologies :-)
A.
On 4 February 2014 15:26, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
I changed the schedule yesterday morning- where are you looking?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_c...
Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
Quick query - given the extensions, have we filed the WMF submission yet or are we holding off for further comments through February? Not clear from the meta page...
A.
On 31 January 2014 23:25, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news, personally, given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days working to meet the original deadline!
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's terrific to hear!
As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us
a
little more time to review and flesh those out.
[For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows:
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
]
Luis
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Luis,
Two days ago I've been informed about the fact that institutions that are standing on the other side of the barrier (ie. so-called "creators") already have their own initiative (creators for Europe) and they massively spam all the "creators", asking for their support (ie. against free knowledge and for more strict protection of their position - the good topic might be the PD-70 deadline that is also currently ... a matter of negotiation). As far as I can see, the number of responses sent to the Commission from them is supposed to be similar to what Copywrongs sent (cca 3k), so it is an interesting question what the final result will be. I also got informations that certain political (ie. Pirate) parties plan to post billboards (tens of them) to support the copyright consultations and to make the general public more engaged in this. So we'll see - I am also posting this so that WM will be aware about things that are currently going on. Jan Loužek - Aktron Wikimedia Czech Republic vice-chairman ______________________________________________________________
Od: Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org Komu: Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk Datum: 04.02.2014 16:26 Předmět: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] [Wikimediauk-l] EU copyright consultation deadline has beenextended
I changed the schedule yesterday morning- where are you looking?https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_c... https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_consultation&diff=prev&oldid=7334381Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk> wrote: Quick query - given the extensions, have we filed the WMF submission yet or are we holding off for further comments through February? Not clear from the meta page...
A.
On 31 January 2014 23:25, Michael Maggs <Michael@maggs.name Michael@maggs.name> wrote:
Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news, personally, given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days working to meet the original deadline!
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa <lvilla@wikimedia.org lvilla@wikimedia.org> wrote:
That's terrific to hear!
As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a little more time to review and flesh those out.
[For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows:
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
]
Luis
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Hi, Aktron-
First, thanks for all your contributions on-wiki! Much appreciated - hope you like my answers (all of which are up now for people to review/discuss/use for their own answers).
About the other groups - do you think the community should be doing more to get Wikimedians to submit answers? I'm open to the idea, but not sure how best to make that happen (or even if it is a good idea- Dimi?)
Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:21 AM, aktron@centrum.cz wrote:
Luis,
Two days ago I've been informed about the fact that institutions that are standing on the other side of the barrier (ie. so-called "creators") already have their own initiative (creators for Europe) and they massively spam all the "creators", asking for their support (ie. against free knowledge and for more strict protection of their position - the good topic might be the PD-70 deadline that is also currently ... a matter of negotiation).
As far as I can see, the number of responses sent to the Commission from them is supposed to be similar to what Copywrongs sent (cca 3k), so it is an interesting question what the final result will be.
I also got informations that certain political (ie. Pirate) parties plan to post billboards (tens of them) to support the copyright consultations and to make the general public more engaged in this. So we'll see - I am also posting this so that WM will be aware about things that are currently going on.
Jan Loužek - Aktron
Wikimedia Czech Republic
vice-chairman
Od: Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org Komu: Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk Datum: 04.02.2014 16:26 Předmět: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] [Wikimediauk-l] EU copyright
consultation deadline has beenextended
I changed the schedule yesterday morning- where are you looking?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_c... Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.ukwrote:
Quick query - given the extensions, have we filed the WMF submission yet or are we holding off for further comments through February? Not clear from the meta page...
A.
On 31 January 2014 23:25, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news,
personally,
given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days working
to
meet the original deadline!
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's terrific to hear!
As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a little more time to review and flesh those out.
[For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows:
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
]
Luis
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This is just a comment on an important marketing characteristic. If the pro-copyright side is trying to co-opt the concept of 'creators' as indicating *them*, this would be a particular issue to push back on - and Wikimedians in particular want to be recognized as creators.
(In general, people are much more likely to support creators, and less likely to support a rather small number of corporations who own or manage the rights of creative works.)
Amgine
On 10 Feb 2014, at 9:49, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi, Aktron-
First, thanks for all your contributions on-wiki! Much appreciated - hope you like my answers (all of which are up now for people to review/discuss/use for their own answers).
About the other groups - do you think the community should be doing more to get Wikimedians to submit answers? I'm open to the idea, but not sure how best to make that happen (or even if it is a good idea- Dimi?)
Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:21 AM, aktron@centrum.cz wrote: Luis,
Two days ago I've been informed about the fact that institutions that are standing on the other side of the barrier (ie. so-called "creators") already have their own initiative (creators for Europe) and they massively spam all the "creators", asking for their support (ie. against free knowledge and for more strict protection of their position - the good topic might be the PD-70 deadline that is also currently ... a matter of negotiation).
As far as I can see, the number of responses sent to the Commission from them is supposed to be similar to what Copywrongs sent (cca 3k), so it is an interesting question what the final result will be.
I also got informations that certain political (ie. Pirate) parties plan to post billboards (tens of them) to support the copyright consultations and to make the general public more engaged in this. So we'll see - I am also posting this so that WM will be aware about things that are currently going on.
Jan Loužek - Aktron Wikimedia Czech Republic vice-chairman
Od: Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org Komu: Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk Datum: 04.02.2014 16:26 Předmět: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] [Wikimediauk-l] EU copyright consultation deadline has beenextended
I changed the schedule yesterday morning- where are you looking? https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_c... Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Quick query - given the extensions, have we filed the WMF submission yet or are we holding off for further comments through February? Not clear from the meta page...
A.
On 31 January 2014 23:25, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news, personally, given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days working to meet the original deadline!
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's terrific to hear!
As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a little more time to review and flesh those out.
[For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows:
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
]
Luis
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On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Amgine amgine@wikimedians.ca wrote:
This is just a comment on an important marketing characteristic. If the pro-copyright side is trying to co-opt the concept of 'creators' as indicating *them*, this would be a particular issue to push back on - and Wikimedians in particular want to be recognized as creators.
(In general, people are much more likely to support creators, and less likely to support a rather small number of corporations who own or manage the rights of creative works.)
I definitely think this should be a key theme of all Wikimedia-related advocacy - trying to show that "creators" these days is everyone, not just some isolated industries. I've tried to work that into the EU answers where possible, but suggestions on where else it can be done are welcome.
Luis
Luis, The problem is that the form published by the Commission is very hard to understand. I had myself a lot of problems with interpretation of some of the questions and I do believe I was not the only one. It would be a good idea to have something like copywrongs.eu - more simplified. People might be willing to participate more in that, because they can understand it better. Aktron ______________________________________________________________
Od: Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org Komu: Advocacy Advisory Group for Wikimedia advocacy_advisors@lists.wikimedia.org Datum: 10.02.2014 18:49 Předmět: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] [Wikimediauk-l] EU copyright consultation deadline has beenextended
Hi, Aktron-
First, thanks for all your contributions on-wiki! Much appreciated - hope you like my answers (all of which are up now for people to review/discuss/use for their own answers).
About the other groups - do you think the community should be doing more to get Wikimedians to submit answers? I'm open to the idea, but not sure how best to make that happen (or even if it is a good idea- Dimi?)
Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:21 AM, <aktron@centrum.cz aktron@centrum.cz> wrote: Luis,
Two days ago I've been informed about the fact that institutions that are standing on the other side of the barrier (ie. so-called "creators") already have their own initiative (creators for Europe) and they massively spam all the "creators", asking for their support (ie. against free knowledge and for more strict protection of their position - the good topic might be the PD-70 deadline that is also currently ... a matter of negotiation). As far as I can see, the number of responses sent to the Commission from them is supposed to be similar to what Copywrongs sent (cca 3k), so it is an interesting question what the final result will be. I also got informations that certain political (ie. Pirate) parties plan to post billboards (tens of them) to support the copyright consultations and to make the general public more engaged in this. So we'll see - I am also posting this so that WM will be aware about things that are currently going on. Jan Loužek - Aktron Wikimedia Czech Republic vice-chairman ______________________________________________________________
Od: Luis Villa <lvilla@wikimedia.org lvilla@wikimedia.org> Komu: Andrew Gray <andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk> Datum: 04.02.2014 16:26 Předmět: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] [Wikimediauk-l] EU copyright consultation deadline has beenextended
I changed the schedule yesterday morning- where are you looking?https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_c... https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_consultation&diff=prev&oldid=7334381Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk> wrote: Quick query - given the extensions, have we filed the WMF submission yet or are we holding off for further comments through February? Not clear from the meta page...
A.
On 31 January 2014 23:25, Michael Maggs <Michael@maggs.name Michael@maggs.name> wrote:
Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news, personally, given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days working to meet the original deadline!
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa <lvilla@wikimedia.org lvilla@wikimedia.org> wrote:
That's terrific to hear!
As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a little more time to review and flesh those out.
[For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows:
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
]
Luis
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On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, aktron@centrum.cz wrote:
Luis,
The problem is that the form published by the Commission is very hard to understand. I had myself a lot of problems with interpretation of some of the questions and I do believe I was not the only one.
It would be a good idea to have something like copywrongs.eu - more simplified. People might be willing to participate more in that, because they can understand it better.
A few things we could do: - load it into http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/ - I assume, but don't actually know - Dimi? - pick a subset of questions and load them into http://copywrongs.eu/ - not sure I have the time to do the picking of the subset; perhaps folks here who have played with copywrongs might suggest which ones would work best?
But it seems like neither of them is worthwhile unless we are also committed to promote the link pretty broadly so that Wikimedians are actually encouraged to use the site to submit things. That's really the question - should someone do that?
Luis
Aktron
Od: Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org Komu: Advocacy Advisory Group for Wikimedia <
advocacy_advisors@lists.wikimedia.org>
Datum: 10.02.2014 18:49
Předmět: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] [Wikimediauk-l] EU copyright
consultation deadline has beenextended
Hi, Aktron-
First, thanks for all your contributions on-wiki! Much appreciated - hope you like my answers (all of which are up now for people to review/discuss/use for their own answers).
About the other groups - do you think the community should be doing more to get Wikimedians to submit answers? I'm open to the idea, but not sure how best to make that happen (or even if it is a good idea- Dimi?)
Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:21 AM, aktron@centrum.cz wrote:
Luis,
Two days ago I've been informed about the fact that institutions that are standing on the other side of the barrier (ie. so-called "creators") already have their own initiative (creators for Europe) and they massively spam all the "creators", asking for their support (ie. against free knowledge and for more strict protection of their position - the good topic might be the PD-70 deadline that is also currently ... a matter of negotiation).
As far as I can see, the number of responses sent to the Commission from them is supposed to be similar to what Copywrongs sent (cca 3k), so it is an interesting question what the final result will be.
I also got informations that certain political (ie. Pirate) parties plan to post billboards (tens of them) to support the copyright consultations and to make the general public more engaged in this. So we'll see - I am also posting this so that WM will be aware about things that are currently going on.
Jan Loužek - Aktron
Wikimedia Czech Republic
vice-chairman
Od: Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org Komu: Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk Datum: 04.02.2014 16:26 Předmět: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] [Wikimediauk-l] EU copyright
consultation deadline has beenextended
I changed the schedule yesterday morning- where are you looking?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_c... Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.ukwrote:
Quick query - given the extensions, have we filed the WMF submission yet or are we holding off for further comments through February? Not clear from the meta page...
A.
On 31 January 2014 23:25, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news,
personally,
given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days working
to
meet the original deadline!
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's terrific to hear!
As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a little more time to review and flesh those out.
[For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows:
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
]
Luis
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Luis, Some of the people (outside of WM community) suggested that it might be a good idea to promote this via SiteNotidce. But I think it is quite a brutal tool. Btw.: What do you mean by "load into"? I mean, I already did the Czech translation for copywrongs and I know the youcan.fixcopyright.eu but a question remains ... what is the thing you wanted to do by "loading"? Jan ______________________________________________________________
Od: Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org Komu: Advocacy Advisory Group for Wikimedia advocacy_advisors@lists.wikimedia.org Datum: 12.02.2014 02:44 Předmět: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] [Wikimediauk-l] EU copyright consultation deadline has beenextended
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, <aktron@centrum.cz aktron@centrum.cz> wrote: Luis, The problem is that the form published by the Commission is very hard to understand. I had myself a lot of problems with interpretation of some of the questions and I do believe I was not the only one. It would be a good idea to have something like copywrongs.eu http://copywrongs.eu - more simplified. People might be willing to participate more in that, because they can understand it better. A few things we could do:- load it into http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/ http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/ - I assume, but don't actually know - Dimi?- pick a subset of questions and load them into http://copywrongs.eu/ http://copywrongs.eu/ - not sure I have the time to do the picking of the subset; perhaps folks here who have played with copywrongs might suggest which ones would work best?
But it seems like neither of them is worthwhile unless we are also committed to promote the link pretty broadly so that Wikimedians are actually encouraged to use the site to submit things. That's really the question - should someone do that?
Luis Aktron ______________________________________________________________
Od: Luis Villa <lvilla@wikimedia.org lvilla@wikimedia.org>> Komu: Advocacy Advisory Group for Wikimedia <advocacy_advisors@lists.wikimedia.org advocacy_advisors@lists.wikimedia.org> Datum: 10.02.2014 18:49 Předmět: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] [Wikimediauk-l] EU copyright consultation deadline has beenextended
Hi, Aktron-
First, thanks for all your contributions on-wiki! Much appreciated - hope you like my answers (all of which are up now for people to review/discuss/use for their own answers).
About the other groups - do you think the community should be doing more to get Wikimedians to submit answers? I'm open to the idea, but not sure how best to make that happen (or even if it is a good idea- Dimi?)
Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:21 AM, <aktron@centrum.cz aktron@centrum.cz> wrote: Luis,
Two days ago I've been informed about the fact that institutions that are standing on the other side of the barrier (ie. so-called "creators") already have their own initiative (creators for Europe) and they massively spam all the "creators", asking for their support (ie. against free knowledge and for more strict protection of their position - the good topic might be the PD-70 deadline that is also currently ... a matter of negotiation). As far as I can see, the number of responses sent to the Commission from them is supposed to be similar to what Copywrongs sent (cca 3k), so it is an interesting question what the final result will be. I also got informations that certain political (ie. Pirate) parties plan to post billboards (tens of them) to support the copyright consultations and to make the general public more engaged in this. So we'll see - I am also posting this so that WM will be aware about things that are currently going on. Jan Loužek - Aktron Wikimedia Czech Republic vice-chairman ______________________________________________________________
Od: Luis Villa <lvilla@wikimedia.org lvilla@wikimedia.org> Komu: Andrew Gray <andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk> Datum: 04.02.2014 16:26 Předmět: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] [Wikimediauk-l] EU copyright consultation deadline has beenextended
I changed the schedule yesterday morning- where are you looking?https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_c... https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_consultation&diff=prev&oldid=7334381Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk> wrote: Quick query - given the extensions, have we filed the WMF submission yet or are we holding off for further comments through February? Not clear from the meta page...
A.
On 31 January 2014 23:25, Michael Maggs <Michael@maggs.name Michael@maggs.name> wrote:
Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news, personally, given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days working to meet the original deadline!
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa <lvilla@wikimedia.org lvilla@wikimedia.org> wrote:
That's terrific to hear!
As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a little more time to review and flesh those out.
[For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows:
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
]
Luis
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On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:11 AM, aktron@centrum.cz wrote:
Luis,
Some of the people (outside of WM community) suggested that it might be a good idea to promote this via SiteNotidce. But I think it is quite a brutal tool.
I agree. Does anyone else have other suggestions?
Btw.: What do you mean by "load into"? I mean, I already did the Czech translation for copywrongs and I know the youcan.fixcopyright.eu but a question remains ... what is the thing you wanted to do by "loading"?
I meant "whatever it takes to get the content into the tool" - don't know if it is in git, in a wiki, maintained by hand, etc. Presumably someone has to do some work to make the answers appear on the site :)
Luis
Jan
Od: Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org Komu: Advocacy Advisory Group for Wikimedia <
advocacy_advisors@lists.wikimedia.org>
Datum: 12.02.2014 02:44
Předmět: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] [Wikimediauk-l] EU copyright
consultation deadline has beenextended
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, aktron@centrum.cz wrote:
Luis,
The problem is that the form published by the Commission is very hard to understand. I had myself a lot of problems with interpretation of some of the questions and I do believe I was not the only one.
It would be a good idea to have something like copywrongs.eu - more simplified. People might be willing to participate more in that, because they can understand it better.
A few things we could do:
- load it into http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/ - I assume, but don't
actually know - Dimi?
- pick a subset of questions and load them into http://copywrongs.eu/ -
not sure I have the time to do the picking of the subset; perhaps folks here who have played with copywrongs might suggest which ones would work best?
But it seems like neither of them is worthwhile unless we are also committed to promote the link pretty broadly so that Wikimedians are actually encouraged to use the site to submit things. That's really the question - should someone do that?
Luis
Aktron
Od: Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org Komu: Advocacy Advisory Group for Wikimedia <
advocacy_advisors@lists.wikimedia.org>
Datum: 10.02.2014 18:49
Předmět: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] [Wikimediauk-l] EU copyright
consultation deadline has beenextended
Hi, Aktron-
First, thanks for all your contributions on-wiki! Much appreciated - hope you like my answers (all of which are up now for people to review/discuss/use for their own answers).
About the other groups - do you think the community should be doing more to get Wikimedians to submit answers? I'm open to the idea, but not sure how best to make that happen (or even if it is a good idea- Dimi?)
Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:21 AM, aktron@centrum.cz wrote:
Luis,
Two days ago I've been informed about the fact that institutions that are standing on the other side of the barrier (ie. so-called "creators") already have their own initiative (creators for Europe) and they massively spam all the "creators", asking for their support (ie. against free knowledge and for more strict protection of their position - the good topic might be the PD-70 deadline that is also currently ... a matter of negotiation).
As far as I can see, the number of responses sent to the Commission from them is supposed to be similar to what Copywrongs sent (cca 3k), so it is an interesting question what the final result will be.
I also got informations that certain political (ie. Pirate) parties plan to post billboards (tens of them) to support the copyright consultations and to make the general public more engaged in this. So we'll see - I am also posting this so that WM will be aware about things that are currently going on.
Jan Loužek - Aktron
Wikimedia Czech Republic
vice-chairman
Od: Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org Komu: Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk Datum: 04.02.2014 16:26 Předmět: Re: [Advocacy Advisors] [Wikimediauk-l] EU copyright
consultation deadline has beenextended
I changed the schedule yesterday morning- where are you looking?
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_c... Luis
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.ukwrote:
Quick query - given the extensions, have we filed the WMF submission yet or are we holding off for further comments through February? Not clear from the meta page...
A.
On 31 January 2014 23:25, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news,
personally,
given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days
working to
meet the original deadline!
Best regards
Michael
Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's terrific to hear!
As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us
a
little more time to review and flesh those out.
[For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows:
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
]
Luis
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I don't agree with using the SiteNotice. Over-use of this tool is encouraging people to ignore it, and to block it. The practice of the WMF to arbitrarily clear user preferences to close central notice pisses people off.
IMO central notice should only be used in a life-or-death situation. This isn't it.
Amgine
On 12 Feb 2014, at 9:56, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:11 AM, aktron@centrum.cz wrote: Luis,
Some of the people (outside of WM community) suggested that it might be a good idea to promote this via SiteNotidce. But I think it is quite a brutal tool.
I agree. Does anyone else have other suggestions?
Btw.: What do you mean by "load into"? I mean, I already did the Czech translation for copywrongs and I know the youcan.fixcopyright.eu but a question remains ... what is the thing you wanted to do by "loading"?
I meant "whatever it takes to get the content into the tool" - don't know if it is in git, in a wiki, maintained by hand, etc. Presumably someone has to do some work to make the answers appear on the site :)
Luis
Jan
To be clear, when I said "I agree" I meant that I agree that it is the wrong tool. So Amgine and I agree (not sure about Aktron, but I think he also agrees).
I could see a time when using sitenotice for copyright advocacy could be appropriate - but it would have to be a very specific, targeted issue, where timely action by a large number of people could make a very large impact. This clearly is not that sort of thing.
Luis
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Amgine amgine@wikimedians.ca wrote:
I don't agree with using the SiteNotice. Over-use of this tool is encouraging people to ignore it, and to block it. The practice of the WMF to arbitrarily clear user preferences to close central notice pisses people off.
IMO central notice should only be used in a life-or-death situation. This isn't it.
Amgine
On 12 Feb 2014, at 9:56, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:11 AM, aktron@centrum.cz wrote: Luis,
Some of the people (outside of WM community) suggested that it might be
a good idea to promote this via SiteNotidce. But I think it is quite a brutal tool.
I agree. Does anyone else have other suggestions?
Btw.: What do you mean by "load into"? I mean, I already did the Czech
translation for copywrongs and I know the youcan.fixcopyright.eu but a question remains ... what is the thing you wanted to do by "loading"?
I meant "whatever it takes to get the content into the tool" - don't
know if it is in git, in a wiki, maintained by hand, etc. Presumably someone has to do some work to make the answers appear on the site :)
Luis
Jan
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Other suggested communications channels to ask for content:
* Mailing lists - wikimedia, wikipedia, commons, other active project mailing lists, and EU-based chapters. * Wiki communications tools, such as en.WP's Signpost. * For wikis which have them, copyright portals/discussion pages.
- Amgine
On 12 Feb 2014, at 12:27, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
To be clear, when I said "I agree" I meant that I agree that it is the wrong tool. So Amgine and I agree (not sure about Aktron, but I think he also agrees).
I could see a time when using sitenotice for copyright advocacy could be appropriate - but it would have to be a very specific, targeted issue, where timely action by a large number of people could make a very large impact. This clearly is not that sort of thing.
Luis
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Amgine amgine@wikimedians.ca wrote: I don't agree with using the SiteNotice. Over-use of this tool is encouraging people to ignore it, and to block it. The practice of the WMF to arbitrarily clear user preferences to close central notice pisses people off.
IMO central notice should only be used in a life-or-death situation. This isn't it.
Amgine
On 12 Feb 2014, at 9:56, Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:11 AM, aktron@centrum.cz wrote: Luis,
Some of the people (outside of WM community) suggested that it might be a good idea to promote this via SiteNotidce. But I think it is quite a brutal tool.
I agree. Does anyone else have other suggestions?
Btw.: What do you mean by "load into"? I mean, I already did the Czech translation for copywrongs and I know the youcan.fixcopyright.eu but a question remains ... what is the thing you wanted to do by "loading"?
I meant "whatever it takes to get the content into the tool" - don't know if it is in git, in a wiki, maintained by hand, etc. Presumably someone has to do some work to make the answers appear on the site :)
Luis
Jan
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Hi Mathias
Do you have an official link that shows the extension? The page you lined to still shows the consultation closing on 5.2.2014.
Best regards Michael ____________ Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 22:02, Mathias Schindler mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de wrote:
Period
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/consultations/2013/copyright-rules/index...
-- Mathias Schindler Projektmanager Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de
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Michael,
Have you tried turning it of and on again, I mean, clearing your cache?
Mathias
2014-02-01 Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name:
Hi Mathias
Do you have an official link that shows the extension? The page you lined to still shows the consultation closing on 5.2.2014.
Best regards Michael ____________ Michael Maggs Chair, Wikimedia UK
On 31 Jan 2014, at 22:02, Mathias Schindler mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de wrote:
Period
From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended).
http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/consultations/2013/copyright-rules/index...
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