Only resigning makes it illegal for the person served to comply with the govt order, thereby rendering the order invalid I presume. Or the possibly in contempt of court.
The person who has resigned could go on working for another Wikimedia organisation; e.g. WMDE.
John Vandenberg. sent from Galaxy Note On Aug 5, 2013 1:38 PM, "James Salsman" jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
What would make resigning more legal than requesting a transfer to a different department?
On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 9:36 PM, John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com wrote:
Resigning before complying is the only way to keep the WMF from being 'crippled' in the trust department. Or maybe WMF has a different set of values.
Any WMF employee who complies with a NSA request to facilitate capturing programs has already broken the privacy policy in the extreme, and should probably be fired. So resigning before being forced to comply seems the ethical choice in my opinion. Of course the government may serve someone else, but they may stop after a few people have resigned. Even the ED is replacable. But trust lost is much harder to replace.
John Vandenberg. sent from Galaxy Note
On Aug 5, 2013 11:49 AM, "Luis Villa" lvilla@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:37 PM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com
wrote:
Luis,
Would it be legal to adopt a policy that any individual served with a National Security Letter must immediately request a transfer to a
department
headed by a different C-level officer?
If so, is the Foundation willing to adopt such a policy?
Hi, James-
It's not clear to me what the purpose of such a policy would be. I can think of two possible goals, neither of which really work.
If the goal is "frustrate the purpose of the NSL by depriving the recipient of the authority to respond to the NSL", then the FBI simply continues to send NSLs to whoever we hire as a replacement, until we
have no
one left in ops. At that point, they start working their way up the
chain
and we're left with (1) a crippled organization and (2) eventually a
letter
to the ED, who is legally compelled to make the thing happen anyway.
Or, if
the policy is public, they just start with the ED.
If the goal is "alert the community that NSLs are being sent" (or if
that
alerting happens accidentally, as a result of public knowledge of the policy, + goal #1) then that's probably a violation of the relevant law, which allows disclosure only to "those to whom such disclosure is
necessary
to comply with the request or an attorney to obtain legal advice or
legal
assistance with respect to the request" (18 USC 2709(c)(1), http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2709).
Note that the statute was updated a few years back to make it quite
clear
that you're allowed to talk to your lawyer about these when you get
them,
recent disclosed letters appear to refer clearly to that permission,
and if
our legal department got one, we'd be eager to fight. (That said, it
does
probably make sense to remind our employers that if they get an NSL,
they
are clearly entitled to speak to LCA; we'll look into how best to do
that.)
Luis
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