Welcome, Bob! I miss Manhattan, though admittedly not as much this time of year :)
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Bob Kosovsky bobkosovsky@nypl.org wrote:
I recently joined this list specifically because of orphan works legislation. I recently wrote an opinion piece on public domain for The Signpost (user:Kosboot) and I saw a similar plea on the WMF blog. Though I'm only a lowly editor, I would hope WMF would take a stand on the orphan works issue. Part of the technique of negotiation is that you ask for more, knowing that the result will be less than what you ask for. So I think WMF should be really bold and ask for something like treating orphan works as if public domain if no one comes forward. I think it would be wise to parse some of Maria Pallante's words (she's the US Register of Copyright) to see what is her thinking on the matter (she seems to be more liberal than most had expected).
In any case, I'd be happy to work on such a project.
Cool! I'd suggest we could start it the same way we did the (ongoing) EU consultation - put the questions into the wiki and start drafting answers. (I would ask that this time we actually try to draft answers, not just comments - it was a lot of work to try to craft things into answers :)
And generally, I agree that we should make strong requests, but I'm definitely worried about exactly the situation Mathias raised. In the EU, the "mix a lot of requests into a pot without a practical result" approach led to a "solution" that solved nothing and now makes it much harder to reach an actual solution :/
Luis (who ran into this problem personally while trying to find an illustration for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minerva_Hamilton_Hoyt - great picture of her in a 1931 book with unfindable publisher)
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On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:06 AM, Mathias Schindler < mathias.schindler@wikimedia.de> wrote:
2014-02-13 1:51 GMT+01:00 Luis Villa lvilla@wikimedia.org:
On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hey guys, The U.S. Federal Register is doing an RfC and Public Roundtable on the issue of orphan works. I would really like for us to take this as an opportunity to push for U.S. adoption of the "rule of the shorter
term", as
this would solve our URAA problems on Commons and free millions of
orphan
foreign works in the U.S.
I had been aware of this, but hadn't raised it here because most of the orphan works proposals I'm aware of are a lot like fair use - nice(ish)
for
lots of users, but not giving us the certainty we like to have when creating/distributing materials. But a rule of shorter term proposal
would
definitely give address one part of the orphan works problem in a way
that
would give us the certainty we like/need.
Greetings from Europe, where we can say "been there, done that" with respect to Orphan Works legislation ( http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2012:299:0005:001... ).
In short, the EU orphan works directive does not benefit Wikipedia for many reasons. First, we are not among the priviledged institutions (Article 1) and the permitted uses of orphan works are far too narrow to help open content projects (Article 6). On top of that, the dilligent search procedure as required by Article 3 is incompatible with the idea of mass digitisation and the possibility to end the orphan work status (Article 5) is fundamentally against the idea of a lasting commons of works that can be built upon.
The consultation work by the US Federal Register should have a close look at the way Europe did it.
I strongly recommend participation in this RfC by US based open content projects with fundamentally different needs than, for example, google or a public library.
Mathias
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