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agenda for next weekend, and reviewing MR recommendations
by Samuel Klein 02 Feb '12

02 Feb '12

As Galio pointed out, we may want to express ideas differently today than we did over the summer. If anyone disagrees with the language that ended up in the current drafts on Meta, please say so- take out the controversial pieces, move them to the talk page, propose problems and solutions. On the agenda page, please note, for the areas you have been working on: What do you want to see accomplished by this Chapters meeting? What can the Board do to facilitate this work? What other support or input do you need? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_roles#February_2012_meeting SJ

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Fwd: Where are we standing now?
by Bishakha Datta 01 Feb '12

01 Feb '12

Hello, Am replying to your questions inline to the best of my ability. SJ may be in a better position to provide more info. On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Alice Wiegand <me.lyzzy(a)googlemail.com>wrote: > Hi SJ, hi all, > > the last input to this mailing list was made by SJ a day before the > board meeting in October. Phoebe announced the minutes ( > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2011-10-07 ) at the end of > November and stated on internal-l that there where no decisions or > votes regarding movement roles. Nothing else. > Movement Roles was allocated 1.5 hours at the board meeting. That is nowhere near enough to seriously discuss the three items that Sam placed before the full board: - Endorsing a movement charter: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_project/charter - Endorsing three new models for organizations, in addition to the current Chapters: partner organizations, informal associations and affiliates - Appointing an Affiliations Committee, which would include members from the Board, to expand on the current Chapters Committee model by working with all types of Wikimedia organizations. Board members asked some broader questions since there wasn't enough time to go into the substance of it: How specific does a charter need to be in order to be useful? Is something that is very general useful enough? How can one strike a balance between stating general principles and ensuring they are worded tightly enough to mean something substantial? How long should a charter be? While most trustees felt this should be tight and concise, similar to what's being developed, a minority were in favour of a much longer charter, upto 100 pages. How will entities in the movement signal their acceptance of the charter? No conclusions were reached on any of these - perhaps this is something for the MR workgroup to consider. The proposed new models and the proposed affiliations committee were discussed together. There was general support for the idea of having new models. On the proposed models themselves, there were questions about the specific 'names': partner orgs, informal associations, affiliates - it was suggested that the names be reviewed again for precision and to ensure there is no confusion about the type of group. For example, 'cultural groups' or 'cultural chapters'? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/summary/New_Models Jon Huggett was also present at this part of the meeting. As far as I know, his contract ended on 31 October - but I wonder if he is still on this list. (Jon, are you here?) Following this, an IRC Board Discussion was held on 6 Nov to carry the New Models/Affiliations Committee discussion forward. Here, the main question was about the nature of the Affiliations Committee - Is it to be a board committee? A staff committee? What form could this committee take? We were tasked to ask the MR workgroup to think further about these. I am reconstructing the main points from board emails/memory. SJ has the draft summary of the IRC chat and can add more. > Is there something going on currently? Can we hear some of the voices > of your board discussion? Are you planning next steps in the process? > We definitely need to plan next steps in the process together - this has languished enough. SJ and I have had two very short conversations about this; he has been really busy, but I'm hopeful that we can restart the planning process from the coming week. > The preparation for the chapters meeting is going to begin soon. If > the movement roles project still exists, there is no way to not > present something or reanimate it at that meeting. What are we going > to do? > > Let us start discussing this once we restart the planning process; my personal goal is to get Movement Roles moving again before the year is out, along with an agreed process in place for doing so. Agreed by those who are part of the MR working group, I mean. (Very similar to what you state in your next para, and I'm prepared to put in time towards this.) All ideas welcome. > Unfortunately I feel not only frustrated about the process but also > uninformed about the current status. And I mean both, the status of > the movement roles process (which doesn't really look like doing any > kind of processing) and the status of this group. Is there still a > group existing? Is there still interest in having a group (formerly > called core team)? What are the tasks the group is responsible for? In > my last mail I talked about burying and reanimation and more than then > I would prefer to put an end to it at this stage and officially > restart next year with a new team and defined roles and tasks. > > I fully share your frustration. This has been a stop-start process right from the beginning, moving in fits and starts. And many times when we seem to be getting somewhere, we then go into hibernation. I am tired of the number of times I have had to go back and re-read every single thing on the MR pages on meta to refresh my memory before a re-start. And I agree that the last three months has been particularly frustrating, with hardly any movement or information or anything happening. I can only apologize on behalf of all the three board members who are on Movement Roles: none of us took the initiative to move things forward or to at least provide information to this list.(This is my belated attempt at doing so). I think the three of us need to sort out our roles among ourselves more clearly, so we can provide back-ups to each other when one of us may be exceptionally busy. We don't have such a system in place and we need one if we are to move ahead purposively, as opposed to in fits and starts. About whether or not the MR group still exists, there are certainly individuals who seem interested in seeing this through. About the tasks that the group is responsible for, SJ and I had a brief chat yesterday and we both feel it would good for individuals in the group to take more responsibility for seeing through specific pieces or recommendations from MR that they feel passionately about. For instance, smaller workgroups could be formed around each of these recommendations with specific mandates. Others who are interested in these but not part of the MR list could come in too. See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/recommendations/board and http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/recommendations for the current set of proposed recommendations. So overall, I agree that something needs to be done, something that can move this forward meaningfully towards a conclusion. I hope that we will have more specifics later this week, but until then, it would be most excellent if anyone on this list could put forward their thoughts, ideas, suggestions etc. so that all these could be considered as part of the 're-imagining' of Movement Roles. Best Bishakha

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MR recommendations update
by Samuel Klein 18 Dec '11

18 Dec '11

Dear working group, Inputs from Wikimania and feedback shared since then have been combined into a summary set of recommendations to the Board: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/recommendations/board The charter in particular has been cleaned up: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles/charter And a draft Chapters Council proposal is quite far along: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters_council Your reviews and comments on the above would be welcome. The Board will review the recommendations to them, at a high level, at this weekend's meeting. More public announcements and discussion will follow. SJ

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Where are we standing now?
by Alice Wiegand 15 Dec '11

15 Dec '11

Hi SJ, hi all, the last input to this mailing list was made by SJ a day before the board meeting in October. Phoebe announced the minutes ( http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2011-10-07 ) at the end of November and stated on internal-l that there where no decisions or votes regarding movement roles. Nothing else. Is there something going on currently? Can we hear some of the voices of your board discussion? Are you planning next steps in the process? The preparation for the chapters meeting is going to begin soon. If the movement roles project still exists, there is no way to not present something or reanimate it at that meeting. What are we going to do? Unfortunately I feel not only frustrated about the process but also uninformed about the current status. And I mean both, the status of the movement roles process (which doesn't really look like doing any kind of processing) and the status of this group. Is there still a group existing? Is there still interest in having a group (formerly called core team)? What are the tasks the group is responsible for? In my last mail I talked about burying and reanimation and more than then I would prefer to put an end to it at this stage and officially restart next year with a new team and defined roles and tasks. If you want us/me/the chapters/the wm-universe to remain part of this, you need to give us more information. Please. Regards, Alice.

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Meeting today and venue
by Samuel Klein 01 Aug '11

01 Aug '11

Dear MR, Looking forward to our meeting today! There should be over 100 people at hacking days, and we should have participation from many new voices. If anyone has trouble finding the building where we + Hacking Days are, you can reach me by SMS: +1 617 529 4266 The schedule is slightly updated here: http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Roles_Meeting Etherpad work online is being organized here (particularly for those taking part at home): http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/MovementRoles Summaries of our work will be part of tomorrow's Chapter meeting (1630-1730). Fundraising and accountability issues will also be part of tomorrow afternoon's WMF Board meeting (1230-1630) . SJ

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MR @ Wikimania 2011
by Harel Cain 20 Jul '11

20 Jul '11

Hi all, Who's willing to write a short abstract or at least a teaser for the MR session which I so vehemently fought to set aside for MR here: http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule#Thursday.2C_August_4th Also, who's actually going to run/deliver it? Harel -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.

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Re: [Movementroles] Chapter assessment
by Samuel Klein 07 Jul '11

07 Jul '11

I imagine this being carried out by a subcommittee of the Audit Committee, as the work required seems similar. Thoughts from ChapCom members? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_committee/Chapter_assessment SJ

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Movement Roles @ Wikimania 2011
by Anirudh Bhati 06 Jul '11

06 Jul '11

Hello, Is the Movement Roles team meeting at Wikimania 2011? Yours sincerely, Anirudh Bhati +855 975 529 803 Skype: anirudhsbh

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FY Attention: Chapter assessment page
by Barry Newstead 17 Jun '11

17 Jun '11

Hi all, I wanted to point your attention to a good proposal on Meta [1] from Delphine has initiated regarding chapter assessment. It is a first stab at something that we've discussed during the Movement Roles process and thought it would be good to have folks engage on it. [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Chapters_committee/Chapter_assessment Best, Barry -- Barry Newstead Chief Global Development Officer Wikimedia Foundation Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate

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Movement roles in Wikimania
by Harel Cain 16 Jun '11

16 Jun '11

Hi all, I've been a rather dormant participant in MR till now, and I'm afraid until after Wikimania is over that will not really change :( As the program chair for Wikimania 2011, I wanted to tell you we're now drafting a first schedule out of the 200 submissions we have for Wikimania. I think not a single one of them really focuses on the movement roles process and aims to clearly present it to the wider community. It's not too late to fix that. What do you suggest? Harel Cain Wikimania 2011 local team

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