Hi mobile teams,
Awhile ago I pointed out (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91621) that the important template in content pages that directs readers from article subsections to "main articles" is missing from mobile web pages. I have since found other templates with relevant reader-oriented content to be missing from mobile web. With the latest Android app release this problem appears to be happing at greater scale in mobile apps now as well. For example the audio demonstration of jazz that I placed at the top of the "Jazz" article on English Wikipedia is missing from Android and from mobile web. Please, please __do not__ use technical means to delete content or templates from mobile views when they are intended for our readers on all platforms and were placed in articles through the efforts of volunteers, especially not without a community discussion first. Formatting tweaks are negotiable, but this kind of content elimination makes me upset. I feel that it degrades Wikipedia's value to readers, and as a person who adds audio and other templates to articles I find it discouraging to have my efforts removed from the view of so many Wikipedia readers.
Thank you for your work to make Wikipedia reading be a good experience on mobile.
Pine
audio and video is still badly supported on mobile unfortunately. It’s not intentional. In this case you are probably running into: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74975 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74975 The other problem was also a bug that was fixed a while ago. i’ll link the reports
DJ
On 31 mrt. 2015, at 19:48, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi mobile teams,
Awhile ago I pointed out (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91621 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91621) that the important template in content pages that directs readers from article subsections to "main articles" is missing from mobile web pages. I have since found other templates with relevant reader-oriented content to be missing from mobile web. With the latest Android app release this problem appears to be happing at greater scale in mobile apps now as well. For example the audio demonstration of jazz that I placed at the top of the "Jazz" article on English Wikipedia is missing from Android and from mobile web. Please, please __do not__ use technical means to delete content or templates from mobile views when they are intended for our readers on all platforms and were placed in articles through the efforts of volunteers, especially not without a community discussion first. Formatting tweaks are negotiable, but this kind of content elimination makes me upset. I feel that it degrades Wikipedia's value to readers, and as a person who adds audio and other templates to articles I find it discouraging to have my efforts removed from the view of so many Wikipedia readers.
Thank you for your work to make Wikipedia reading be a good experience on mobile.
Pine
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Grah, had my subscription addresses mixed up again.
DJ
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Subject: Re: [WikimediaMobile] Content missing from mobile apps and mobile web From: Derk-Jan Hartman d.j.hartman+wmf_ml@gmail.com Date: 31 maart 2015 20:01:43 CEST Cc: mobile-l mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org To: Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com
audio and video is still badly supported on mobile unfortunately. It’s not intentional. In this case you are probably running into: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74975 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74975 The other problem was also a bug that was fixed a while ago. i’ll link the reports
DJ
On 31 mrt. 2015, at 19:48, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com mailto:wiki.pine@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi mobile teams,
Awhile ago I pointed out (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91621 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91621) that the important template in content pages that directs readers from article subsections to "main articles" is missing from mobile web pages. I have since found other templates with relevant reader-oriented content to be missing from mobile web. With the latest Android app release this problem appears to be happing at greater scale in mobile apps now as well. For example the audio demonstration of jazz that I placed at the top of the "Jazz" article on English Wikipedia is missing from Android and from mobile web. Please, please __do not__ use technical means to delete content or templates from mobile views when they are intended for our readers on all platforms and were placed in articles through the efforts of volunteers, especially not without a community discussion first. Formatting tweaks are negotiable, but this kind of content elimination makes me upset. I feel that it degrades Wikipedia's value to readers, and as a person who adds audio and other templates to articles I find it discouraging to have my efforts removed from the view of so many Wikipedia readers.
Thank you for your work to make Wikipedia reading be a good experience on mobile.
Pine
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Ok, thanks all for the replies. Does the mobile web team participate on this email list, or is this list only for mobile apps? It seems like I see lots of mobile apps people here but no one that I can quickly identify on-list as representing mobile web.
Pine
Hi Pine, I'm the PM for mobile web and I am listening :) I don't yet understand fully, but want to understand better. I will see if Dan Garry can get me up to speed, but can I follow up with you if I have additional questions?
Thanks,
Jon
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, thanks all for the replies. Does the mobile web team participate on this email list, or is this list only for mobile apps? It seems like I see lots of mobile apps people here but no one that I can quickly identify on-list as representing mobile web.
Pine
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Pine I'm mobile web and very active on this list :p On 31 Mar 2015 9:07 pm, "Pine W" wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, thanks all for the replies. Does the mobile web team participate on this email list, or is this list only for mobile apps? It seems like I see lots of mobile apps people here but no one that I can quickly identify on-list as representing mobile web.
Pine
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There are plenty of us here! Please keep the comments coming, sorry If it sometimes takes us a bit to engage.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Pine I'm mobile web and very active on this list :p On 31 Mar 2015 9:07 pm, "Pine W" wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, thanks all for the replies. Does the mobile web team participate on this email list, or is this list only for mobile apps? It seems like I see lots of mobile apps people here but no one that I can quickly identify on-list as representing mobile web.
Pine
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
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There are two separate issues here.
The first is that the {{main}} template not appearing in articles. This is T91621 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91621. I am unable to reproduce this, and have closed it as invalid.
The second is the {{listen}} template not being displayed in the Android app. I have created T91621 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91621 to track this. This is simply a bug. We will investigate.
Dan
On 31 March 2015 at 10:48, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi mobile teams,
Awhile ago I pointed out (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91621) that the important template in content pages that directs readers from article subsections to "main articles" is missing from mobile web pages. I have since found other templates with relevant reader-oriented content to be missing from mobile web. With the latest Android app release this problem appears to be happing at greater scale in mobile apps now as well. For example the audio demonstration of jazz that I placed at the top of the "Jazz" article on English Wikipedia is missing from Android and from mobile web. Please, please __do not__ use technical means to delete content or templates from mobile views when they are intended for our readers on all platforms and were placed in articles through the efforts of volunteers, especially not without a community discussion first. Formatting tweaks are negotiable, but this kind of content elimination makes me upset. I feel that it degrades Wikipedia's value to readers, and as a person who adds audio and other templates to articles I find it discouraging to have my efforts removed from the view of so many Wikipedia readers.
Thank you for your work to make Wikipedia reading be a good experience on mobile.
Pine
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
Well, I can reproduce it on my iphone; want a screenshot?
On 31 March 2015 at 14:08, Dan Garry dgarry@wikimedia.org wrote:
There are two separate issues here.
The first is that the {{main}} template not appearing in articles. This is T91621. I am unable to reproduce this, and have closed it as invalid.
The second is the {{listen}} template not being displayed in the Android app. I have created T91621 to track this. This is simply a bug. We will investigate.
Dan
On 31 March 2015 at 10:48, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi mobile teams,
Awhile ago I pointed out (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91621) that the important template in content pages that directs readers from article subsections to "main articles" is missing from mobile web pages. I have since found other templates with relevant reader-oriented content to be missing from mobile web. With the latest Android app release this problem appears to be happing at greater scale in mobile apps now as well. For example the audio demonstration of jazz that I placed at the top of the "Jazz" article on English Wikipedia is missing from Android and from mobile web. Please, please __do not__ use technical means to delete content or templates from mobile views when they are intended for our readers on all platforms and were placed in articles through the efforts of volunteers, especially not without a community discussion first. Formatting tweaks are negotiable, but this kind of content elimination makes me upset. I feel that it degrades Wikipedia's value to readers, and as a person who adds audio and other templates to articles I find it discouraging to have my efforts removed from the view of so many Wikipedia readers.
Thank you for your work to make Wikipedia reading be a good experience on mobile.
Pine
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-- Dan Garry Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps Wikimedia Foundation
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On 31 March 2015 at 11:15, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Well, I can reproduce it on my iphone; want a screenshot?
Yes please!
Dan
Shameless plug for https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templat...
Right now hiding is mobile's only option. Please help push this longstanding RFC through so we can start perfecting badly formatted interfaces for mobile rather than hiding.
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Dan Garry dgarry@wikimedia.org wrote:
There are two separate issues here.
The first is that the {{main}} template not appearing in articles. This is T91621 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91621. I am unable to reproduce this, and have closed it as invalid.
The second is the {{listen}} template not being displayed in the Android app. I have created T91621 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91621 to track this. This is simply a bug. We will investigate.
Dan
On 31 March 2015 at 10:48, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi mobile teams,
Awhile ago I pointed out (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91621) that the important template in content pages that directs readers from article subsections to "main articles" is missing from mobile web pages. I have since found other templates with relevant reader-oriented content to be missing from mobile web. With the latest Android app release this problem appears to be happing at greater scale in mobile apps now as well. For example the audio demonstration of jazz that I placed at the top of the "Jazz" article on English Wikipedia is missing from Android and from mobile web. Please, please __do not__ use technical means to delete content or templates from mobile views when they are intended for our readers on all platforms and were placed in articles through the efforts of volunteers, especially not without a community discussion first. Formatting tweaks are negotiable, but this kind of content elimination makes me upset. I feel that it degrades Wikipedia's value to readers, and as a person who adds audio and other templates to articles I find it discouraging to have my efforts removed from the view of so many Wikipedia readers.
Thank you for your work to make Wikipedia reading be a good experience on mobile.
Pine
Mobile-l mailing list Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
-- Dan Garry Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps Wikimedia Foundation
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Oop, I tell a lie; it works now. How weird! Only a couple of weeks ago it wasn't. Ah well; fixed, I guess?
On 31 March 2015 at 14:15, Jon Robson jrobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
Shameless plug for https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Allow_styling_in_templat...
Right now hiding is mobile's only option. Please help push this longstanding RFC through so we can start perfecting badly formatted interfaces for mobile rather than hiding.
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Dan Garry dgarry@wikimedia.org wrote:
There are two separate issues here.
The first is that the {{main}} template not appearing in articles. This is T91621. I am unable to reproduce this, and have closed it as invalid.
The second is the {{listen}} template not being displayed in the Android app. I have created T91621 to track this. This is simply a bug. We will investigate.
Dan
On 31 March 2015 at 10:48, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi mobile teams,
Awhile ago I pointed out (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91621) that the important template in content pages that directs readers from article subsections to "main articles" is missing from mobile web pages. I have since found other templates with relevant reader-oriented content to be missing from mobile web. With the latest Android app release this problem appears to be happing at greater scale in mobile apps now as well. For example the audio demonstration of jazz that I placed at the top of the "Jazz" article on English Wikipedia is missing from Android and from mobile web. Please, please __do not__ use technical means to delete content or templates from mobile views when they are intended for our readers on all platforms and were placed in articles through the efforts of volunteers, especially not without a community discussion first. Formatting tweaks are negotiable, but this kind of content elimination makes me upset. I feel that it degrades Wikipedia's value to readers, and as a person who adds audio and other templates to articles I find it discouraging to have my efforts removed from the view of so many Wikipedia readers.
Thank you for your work to make Wikipedia reading be a good experience on mobile.
Pine
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-- Dan Garry Associate Product Manager, Mobile Apps Wikimedia Foundation
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On 31 March 2015 at 11:18, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Oop, I tell a lie; it works now. How weird! Only a couple of weeks ago it wasn't. Ah well; fixed, I guess?
You're not the only one. I too thought it was still broken, and was pleasantly surprised when it was not. :-)
Dan
On 31 March 2015 at 11:08, Dan Garry dgarry@wikimedia.org wrote:
The second is the {{listen}} template not being displayed in the Android app. I have created T91621 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91621 to track this. This is simply a bug. We will investigate.
My apologies, I put the wrong link here. In fact, T94593 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94593 is the task to track this.
Dan