Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more grrrit-wm spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel, maybe a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots & #wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different channel, and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
Cheers.
+1, as a newcomer, the bots create quite a bit of interference. And another +1 for making the bot channels more specific (Android, iOS, etc).
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez < jhernandez@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more grrrit-wm spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel, maybe a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots & #wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different channel, and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
Cheers.
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I think this is a good idea… the only thing I think should be in the main channel is something like breaking the build (at least for the apps guys)
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez < jhernandez@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more grrrit-wm spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel, maybe a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots & #wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different channel, and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
Cheers.
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Totally agree, having *important messages only* in IRC would be nice. Another idea would be to have notifs go to more specific chat rooms based on the project.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Corey Floyd cfloyd@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think this is a good idea… the only thing I think should be in the main channel is something like breaking the build (at least for the apps guys)
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez < jhernandez@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more grrrit-wm spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel, maybe a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots & #wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different channel, and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
Cheers.
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I think they should stay and everyone should be able to configure their client to hide specific message from showing.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Brian Gerstle bgerstle@wikimedia.org wrote:
Totally agree, having *important messages only* in IRC would be nice. Another idea would be to have notifs go to more specific chat rooms based on the project.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Corey Floyd <cfloyd@wikimedia.org mailto:cfloyd@wikimedia.org> wrote: I think this is a good idea… the only thing I think should be in the main channel is something like breaking the build (at least for the apps guys)
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <jhernandez@wikimedia.org mailto:jhernandez@wikimedia.org> wrote: Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more grrrit-wm spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel, maybe a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots & #wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different channel, and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
Cheers.
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I personally detest them now I am working with mostly a remote team. They are useful occasionally but not missing messages from team members is far too important for me.
I've not found a good way to filter these out (look at the pink lines that mean pings in my irc client - http://imgur.com/MsYk9OO)
I've also noticed an increase in private conversations recently to compensate for this which sucks for openness.
A compromise to reduce noise might be: * don't include name of author in patch submits/phabricator tasks reported by the bot (so that author doesn't get pings that mask other pings from other users) - but someone would have to implement this.
I think moving to a new channel seems like an easy solution. Nothing gets missed provided people know to join it and nothing needs to be implemented.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Bahodir Mansurov bmansurov@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think they should stay and everyone should be able to configure their client to hide specific message from showing.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Brian Gerstle bgerstle@wikimedia.org wrote:
Totally agree, having *important messages only* in IRC would be nice. Another idea would be to have notifs go to more specific chat rooms based on the project.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Corey Floyd cfloyd@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think this is a good idea… the only thing I think should be in the main channel is something like breaking the build (at least for the apps guys)
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez jhernandez@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more grrrit-wm spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel, maybe a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots & #wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different channel, and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
Cheers.
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Bryan that's exactly what I'd like. Direct the bots to other channels and join those if you want the notifications. I personally will because I find them very useful.
Baha the reality is not that easy. I want backlog so I've moved to the irccloud chat, and there I can only ignore users. The problem is that I find wikibugs and grrrit-wm very useful and I don't want to hide them, I want to separate them to another channel. This way for activity and notifications I'll join the notifications channel, and in the main channel I'll be able to read and have conversations with people without tons of noise. Would you mind having another channel open with the notifications? We should expect all team members to autojoin that channel when working too.
Jon, Ori told me that limechat can hide messages based on regexes. I poked around it and searched google but found nothing useful and he didn't reply on irc so I'm not sure which dark secrets he holds :P
What client are you using baha?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I personally detest them now I am working with mostly a remote team. They are useful occasionally but not missing messages from team members is far too important for me.
I've not found a good way to filter these out (look at the pink lines that mean pings in my irc client - http://imgur.com/MsYk9OO)
I've also noticed an increase in private conversations recently to compensate for this which sucks for openness.
A compromise to reduce noise might be:
- don't include name of author in patch submits/phabricator tasks
reported by the bot (so that author doesn't get pings that mask other pings from other users) - but someone would have to implement this.
I think moving to a new channel seems like an easy solution. Nothing gets missed provided people know to join it and nothing needs to be implemented.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Bahodir Mansurov bmansurov@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think they should stay and everyone should be able to configure their client to hide specific message from showing.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Brian Gerstle bgerstle@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Totally agree, having *important messages only* in IRC would be nice. Another idea would be to have notifs go to more specific chat rooms
based on
the project.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Corey Floyd cfloyd@wikimedia.org
wrote:
I think this is a good idea… the only thing I think should be in the
main
channel is something like breaking the build (at least for the apps
guys)
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez jhernandez@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more
grrrit-wm
spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much
noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel,
maybe
a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots &
#wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots
for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different
channel,
and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
Cheers.
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I use LimeChat, but haven’t tried hard enough to filter out bots. I don’t mind creating a new channel and directing bots there. XChat advanced settings related to “Text Events”, which maybe what you want. Not sure about the backlog support though.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez jhernandez@wikimedia.org wrote:
Bryan that's exactly what I'd like. Direct the bots to other channels and join those if you want the notifications. I personally will because I find them very useful.
Baha the reality is not that easy. I want backlog so I've moved to the irccloud chat, and there I can only ignore users. The problem is that I find wikibugs and grrrit-wm very useful and I don't want to hide them, I want to separate them to another channel. This way for activity and notifications I'll join the notifications channel, and in the main channel I'll be able to read and have conversations with people without tons of noise. Would you mind having another channel open with the notifications? We should expect all team members to autojoin that channel when working too.
Jon, Ori told me that limechat can hide messages based on regexes. I poked around it and searched google but found nothing useful and he didn't reply on irc so I'm not sure which dark secrets he holds :P
What client are you using baha?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson@gmail.com mailto:jdlrobson@gmail.com> wrote: I personally detest them now I am working with mostly a remote team. They are useful occasionally but not missing messages from team members is far too important for me.
I've not found a good way to filter these out (look at the pink lines that mean pings in my irc client - http://imgur.com/MsYk9OO http://imgur.com/MsYk9OO)
I've also noticed an increase in private conversations recently to compensate for this which sucks for openness.
A compromise to reduce noise might be:
- don't include name of author in patch submits/phabricator tasks
reported by the bot (so that author doesn't get pings that mask other pings from other users) - but someone would have to implement this.
I think moving to a new channel seems like an easy solution. Nothing gets missed provided people know to join it and nothing needs to be implemented.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Bahodir Mansurov <bmansurov@wikimedia.org mailto:bmansurov@wikimedia.org> wrote:
I think they should stay and everyone should be able to configure their client to hide specific message from showing.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Brian Gerstle <bgerstle@wikimedia.org mailto:bgerstle@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Totally agree, having *important messages only* in IRC would be nice. Another idea would be to have notifs go to more specific chat rooms based on the project.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Corey Floyd <cfloyd@wikimedia.org mailto:cfloyd@wikimedia.org> wrote:
I think this is a good idea… the only thing I think should be in the main channel is something like breaking the build (at least for the apps guys)
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <jhernandez@wikimedia.org mailto:jhernandez@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more grrrit-wm spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel, maybe a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots & #wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different channel, and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
Cheers.
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I think the point is that it's unrealistic to expect people to handle this on the "client side" and they should "opt in" for those notifications/messages by joining that channel (i.e. separating events on the server side, so it applies to all clients).
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Bahodir Mansurov bmansurov@wikimedia.org wrote:
I use LimeChat, but haven’t tried hard enough to filter out bots. I don’t mind creating a new channel and directing bots there. XChat advanced settings related to “Text Events”, which maybe what you want. Not sure about the backlog support though.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez < jhernandez@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Bryan that's exactly what I'd like. Direct the bots to other channels and join those if you want the notifications. I personally will because I find them very useful.
Baha the reality is not that easy. I want backlog so I've moved to the irccloud chat, and there I can only ignore users. The problem is that I find wikibugs and grrrit-wm very useful and I don't want to hide them, I want to separate them to another channel. This way for activity and notifications I'll join the notifications channel, and in the main channel I'll be able to read and have conversations with people without tons of noise. Would you mind having another channel open with the notifications? We should expect all team members to autojoin that channel when working too.
Jon, Ori told me that limechat can hide messages based on regexes. I poked around it and searched google but found nothing useful and he didn't reply on irc so I'm not sure which dark secrets he holds :P
What client are you using baha?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I personally detest them now I am working with mostly a remote team. They are useful occasionally but not missing messages from team members is far too important for me.
I've not found a good way to filter these out (look at the pink lines that mean pings in my irc client - http://imgur.com/MsYk9OO)
I've also noticed an increase in private conversations recently to compensate for this which sucks for openness.
A compromise to reduce noise might be:
- don't include name of author in patch submits/phabricator tasks
reported by the bot (so that author doesn't get pings that mask other pings from other users) - but someone would have to implement this.
I think moving to a new channel seems like an easy solution. Nothing gets missed provided people know to join it and nothing needs to be implemented.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Bahodir Mansurov bmansurov@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think they should stay and everyone should be able to configure their client to hide specific message from showing.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Brian Gerstle bgerstle@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Totally agree, having *important messages only* in IRC would be nice. Another idea would be to have notifs go to more specific chat rooms
based on
the project.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Corey Floyd cfloyd@wikimedia.org
wrote:
I think this is a good idea… the only thing I think should be in the
main
channel is something like breaking the build (at least for the apps
guys)
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez jhernandez@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more
grrrit-wm
spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much
noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel,
maybe
a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots &
#wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots
for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different
channel,
and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
Cheers.
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I would favor having the bots on a separate channel as well.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Brian Gerstle bgerstle@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think the point is that it's unrealistic to expect people to handle this on the "client side" and they should "opt in" for those notifications/messages by joining that channel (i.e. separating events on the server side, so it applies to all clients).
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Bahodir Mansurov <bmansurov@wikimedia.org
wrote:
I use LimeChat, but haven’t tried hard enough to filter out bots. I don’t mind creating a new channel and directing bots there. XChat advanced settings related to “Text Events”, which maybe what you want. Not sure about the backlog support though.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez < jhernandez@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Bryan that's exactly what I'd like. Direct the bots to other channels and join those if you want the notifications. I personally will because I find them very useful.
Baha the reality is not that easy. I want backlog so I've moved to the irccloud chat, and there I can only ignore users. The problem is that I find wikibugs and grrrit-wm very useful and I don't want to hide them, I want to separate them to another channel. This way for activity and notifications I'll join the notifications channel, and in the main channel I'll be able to read and have conversations with people without tons of noise. Would you mind having another channel open with the notifications? We should expect all team members to autojoin that channel when working too.
Jon, Ori told me that limechat can hide messages based on regexes. I poked around it and searched google but found nothing useful and he didn't reply on irc so I'm not sure which dark secrets he holds :P
What client are you using baha?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I personally detest them now I am working with mostly a remote team. They are useful occasionally but not missing messages from team members is far too important for me.
I've not found a good way to filter these out (look at the pink lines that mean pings in my irc client - http://imgur.com/MsYk9OO)
I've also noticed an increase in private conversations recently to compensate for this which sucks for openness.
A compromise to reduce noise might be:
- don't include name of author in patch submits/phabricator tasks
reported by the bot (so that author doesn't get pings that mask other pings from other users) - but someone would have to implement this.
I think moving to a new channel seems like an easy solution. Nothing gets missed provided people know to join it and nothing needs to be implemented.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Bahodir Mansurov bmansurov@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think they should stay and everyone should be able to configure their client to hide specific message from showing.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Brian Gerstle bgerstle@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Totally agree, having *important messages only* in IRC would be nice. Another idea would be to have notifs go to more specific chat rooms
based on
the project.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Corey Floyd cfloyd@wikimedia.org
wrote:
I think this is a good idea… the only thing I think should be in the
main
channel is something like breaking the build (at least for the apps
guys)
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez jhernandez@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more
grrrit-wm
spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much
noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel,
maybe
a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots &
#wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots
for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different
channel,
and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
Cheers.
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My only $0.02 is that pushing bots to another channel generally ends up being functionally the same as muting the bots entirely unless people setup watches on particular words to see pings from them.
I do things in my client to make bots less obtrusive, but I totally understand that doing so is (a) a power user hobby and (b) not possible for all clients.
Bryan
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkaldari@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would favor having the bots on a separate channel as well.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Brian Gerstle bgerstle@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think the point is that it's unrealistic to expect people to handle this on the "client side" and they should "opt in" for those notifications/messages by joining that channel (i.e. separating events on the server side, so it applies to all clients).
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Bahodir Mansurov bmansurov@wikimedia.org wrote:
I use LimeChat, but haven’t tried hard enough to filter out bots. I don’t mind creating a new channel and directing bots there. XChat advanced settings related to “Text Events”, which maybe what you want. Not sure about the backlog support though.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez jhernandez@wikimedia.org wrote:
Bryan that's exactly what I'd like. Direct the bots to other channels and join those if you want the notifications. I personally will because I find them very useful.
Baha the reality is not that easy. I want backlog so I've moved to the irccloud chat, and there I can only ignore users. The problem is that I find wikibugs and grrrit-wm very useful and I don't want to hide them, I want to separate them to another channel. This way for activity and notifications I'll join the notifications channel, and in the main channel I'll be able to read and have conversations with people without tons of noise. Would you mind having another channel open with the notifications? We should expect all team members to autojoin that channel when working too.
Jon, Ori told me that limechat can hide messages based on regexes. I poked around it and searched google but found nothing useful and he didn't reply on irc so I'm not sure which dark secrets he holds :P
What client are you using baha?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I personally detest them now I am working with mostly a remote team. They are useful occasionally but not missing messages from team members is far too important for me.
I've not found a good way to filter these out (look at the pink lines that mean pings in my irc client - http://imgur.com/MsYk9OO)
I've also noticed an increase in private conversations recently to compensate for this which sucks for openness.
A compromise to reduce noise might be:
- don't include name of author in patch submits/phabricator tasks
reported by the bot (so that author doesn't get pings that mask other pings from other users) - but someone would have to implement this.
I think moving to a new channel seems like an easy solution. Nothing gets missed provided people know to join it and nothing needs to be implemented.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Bahodir Mansurov bmansurov@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think they should stay and everyone should be able to configure their client to hide specific message from showing.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Brian Gerstle bgerstle@wikimedia.org wrote:
Totally agree, having *important messages only* in IRC would be nice. Another idea would be to have notifs go to more specific chat rooms based on the project.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Corey Floyd cfloyd@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think this is a good idea… the only thing I think should be in the main channel is something like breaking the build (at least for the apps guys)
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez jhernandez@wikimedia.org wrote: > > Hi! > > I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on > #wikimedia-mobile > since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more > grrrit-wm > spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much > noise). > > It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is > working (and that is what we do, so...). > > I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel, > maybe > a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots & > #wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots > for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different > channel, > and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations. > > What do you think? > > Cheers. > > _______________________________________________ > Mobile-l mailing list > Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >
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Bryan Davis, 30/04/2015 22:42:
My only $0.02 is that pushing bots to another channel generally ends up being functionally the same as muting the bots entirely unless people setup watches on particular words to see pings from them.
And I'll point out that if you want to move bots then the easiest is to move them back to #wikimedia-dev. :)
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Just a thought: as long as we primarily link to webchat.freenode.net from https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Channels the traffic in the channels should be suited after that tool rather than what some power user have available.
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2015-04-30 22:03 GMT+02:00 Bahodir Mansurov bmansurov@wikimedia.org:
I use LimeChat, but haven’t tried hard enough to filter out bots. I don’t mind creating a new channel and directing bots there. XChat advanced settings related to “Text Events”, which maybe what you want. Not sure about the backlog support though.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez < jhernandez@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Bryan that's exactly what I'd like. Direct the bots to other channels and join those if you want the notifications. I personally will because I find them very useful.
Baha the reality is not that easy. I want backlog so I've moved to the irccloud chat, and there I can only ignore users. The problem is that I find wikibugs and grrrit-wm very useful and I don't want to hide them, I want to separate them to another channel. This way for activity and notifications I'll join the notifications channel, and in the main channel I'll be able to read and have conversations with people without tons of noise. Would you mind having another channel open with the notifications? We should expect all team members to autojoin that channel when working too.
Jon, Ori told me that limechat can hide messages based on regexes. I poked around it and searched google but found nothing useful and he didn't reply on irc so I'm not sure which dark secrets he holds :P
What client are you using baha?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I personally detest them now I am working with mostly a remote team. They are useful occasionally but not missing messages from team members is far too important for me.
I've not found a good way to filter these out (look at the pink lines that mean pings in my irc client - http://imgur.com/MsYk9OO)
I've also noticed an increase in private conversations recently to compensate for this which sucks for openness.
A compromise to reduce noise might be:
- don't include name of author in patch submits/phabricator tasks
reported by the bot (so that author doesn't get pings that mask other pings from other users) - but someone would have to implement this.
I think moving to a new channel seems like an easy solution. Nothing gets missed provided people know to join it and nothing needs to be implemented.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Bahodir Mansurov bmansurov@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think they should stay and everyone should be able to configure their client to hide specific message from showing.
On Apr 30, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Brian Gerstle bgerstle@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Totally agree, having *important messages only* in IRC would be nice. Another idea would be to have notifs go to more specific chat rooms
based on
the project.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Corey Floyd cfloyd@wikimedia.org
wrote:
I think this is a good idea… the only thing I think should be in the
main
channel is something like breaking the build (at least for the apps
guys)
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez jhernandez@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more
grrrit-wm
spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much
noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel,
maybe
a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots &
#wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots
for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different
channel,
and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
Cheers.
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+1
On Apr 30, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez jhernandez@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more grrrit-wm spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel, maybe a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots & #wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different channel, and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
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I'm in favour of moving the bots to another channel (or back to #wikimedia-dev) too.
–Sam
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Monte Hurd mhurd@wikimedia.org wrote:
+1
On Apr 30, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
jhernandez@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile
since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more grrrit-wm spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is
working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel,
maybe a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots & #wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different channel, and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
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+1 My main use for the bot messages so far has been to ping a reviewer on IRC before they get the gerrit email anyways.
Thanks,
Jeff Hobson On May 1, 2015 5:46 AM, "Sam Smith" samsmith@wikimedia.org wrote:
I'm in favour of moving the bots to another channel (or back to #wikimedia-dev) too.
–Sam
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Monte Hurd mhurd@wikimedia.org wrote:
+1
On Apr 30, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
jhernandez@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile
since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more grrrit-wm spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is
working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel,
maybe a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots & #wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different channel, and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
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+1 can we do that then? Seems like consensus. All bots to wikimedia-dev I actually thing this also gains more as it gives more visibility to changes to other devs and more visibility to core changes to mobile devs.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Jeff Hobson jhobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
+1 My main use for the bot messages so far has been to ping a reviewer on IRC before they get the gerrit email anyways.
Thanks,
Jeff Hobson
On May 1, 2015 5:46 AM, "Sam Smith" samsmith@wikimedia.org wrote:
I'm in favour of moving the bots to another channel (or back to #wikimedia-dev) too.
–Sam
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Monte Hurd mhurd@wikimedia.org wrote:
+1
On Apr 30, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez jhernandez@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more grrrit-wm spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel, maybe a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots & #wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different channel, and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
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Bug setup for this https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97798 to close this thread.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
+1 can we do that then? Seems like consensus. All bots to wikimedia-dev I actually thing this also gains more as it gives more visibility to changes to other devs and more visibility to core changes to mobile devs.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Jeff Hobson jhobson@wikimedia.org wrote:
+1 My main use for the bot messages so far has been to ping a reviewer on IRC before they get the gerrit email anyways.
Thanks,
Jeff Hobson
On May 1, 2015 5:46 AM, "Sam Smith" samsmith@wikimedia.org wrote:
I'm in favour of moving the bots to another channel (or back to #wikimedia-dev) too.
–Sam
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Monte Hurd mhurd@wikimedia.org wrote:
+1
On Apr 30, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez jhernandez@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on #wikimedia-mobile since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more grrrit-wm spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel, maybe a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots & #wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots for example ) so that they continue to be useful but in a different channel, and so that we can read again the chats with just the conversations.
What do you think?
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Thanks everybody.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Bug setup for this https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97798 to close this thread.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
+1 can we do that then? Seems like consensus. All bots to wikimedia-dev I actually thing this also gains more as it gives more visibility to changes to other devs and more visibility to core changes to mobile devs.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Jeff Hobson jhobson@wikimedia.org
wrote:
+1 My main use for the bot messages so far has been to ping a reviewer
on
IRC before they get the gerrit email anyways.
Thanks,
Jeff Hobson
On May 1, 2015 5:46 AM, "Sam Smith" samsmith@wikimedia.org wrote:
I'm in favour of moving the bots to another channel (or back to #wikimedia-dev) too.
–Sam
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Monte Hurd mhurd@wikimedia.org
wrote:
+1
On Apr 30, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez jhernandez@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi!
I've been feeling that the signal to noise ratio on
#wikimedia-mobile
since the addition of wikibugs and our new apps engineers (more
grrrit-wm
spam) is turning to be 0 (that is, no signal because of too much
noise).
It is really difficult to talk about anything when somebody else is working (and that is what we do, so...).
I would like to propose moving the machines to a different channel, maybe a couple of them ( #wikimedia-mobile-web-bots & #wikimedia-mobile-apps-bots for example ) so that they continue to
be useful
but in a different channel, and so that we can read again the chats
with
just the conversations.
What do you think?
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