Recently we upped the radius for searches on Wikivoyage to 20km. This still isn't probably enough for certain towns.
Is there anyway we can increase the maximum radius here (what is the highest we can safely go to?) and incrementally increase it when no search results are found. e.g. search within 20km, then within 30km, then within 40km all the way to 50km?
There is some cool discussion going on here: https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Travellers%27_pub#Tweaks_to_Specia... it will be great to help out the Wikivoyage community.
Max, what's your thought on this?
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Recently we upped the radius for searches on Wikivoyage to 20km. This still isn't probably enough for certain towns.
Is there anyway we can increase the maximum radius here (what is the highest we can safely go to?) and incrementally increase it when no search results are found. e.g. search within 20km, then within 30km, then within 40km all the way to 50km?
There is some cool discussion going on here: https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Travellers%27_pub#Tweaks_to_Specia... and it will be great to help out the Wikivoyage community.
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Max Semenik, 27/03/2014 08:23:
Heh, we deployed the config change on the same day:)
For reference: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/119313/
Nemo
Actually my question is about further tweaking this... please reread my email. On 27 Mar 2014 02:02, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Max Semenik, 27/03/2014 08:23:
Heh, we deployed the config change on the same day:)
For reference: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/119313/
Nemo
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Actually my question is about further tweaking this... please reread my email.
D'oh!
So the problem is not in radius but in what to display. https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/784discusses how geo search can be made more useful for WV. Our present Nearby implementation that searches for primary coordinaes only is not helpful because the wiki consists of large pages with a lot of POIs around. My current work on porting to Elasticsearch would allow a sane spatial search for secondary coordinates, once it's complete we can experiment with adding a Wikiversity-specific mode for Nearby. With a lot of points around, there should be no need to have a continent-sized radius.
I'm not sure we'd want to bring in secondary points - I can imagine the real use of Special:Nearby on Wikivoyage is for travellers who are looking for places to go to next that are nearby e.g. by train/bus. Somewhere like London would report Cambridge, Stonehenge or Oxford as being nearby even though they are 60+ miles apart.. yet currently it only shows 8 districts in London.
I imagine something like the in article Nearby pages that we currently have in beta would be a better vehicle for secondary points...
Is there anyway we can guide a volunteer developer to do this and is anyone interested? I'd love to see this moved along and give WV the nearby it deserves.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Max Semenik msemenik@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Actually my question is about further tweaking this... please reread my email.
D'oh!
So the problem is not in radius but in what to display. https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/784 discusses how geo search can be made more useful for WV. Our present Nearby implementation that searches for primary coordinaes only is not helpful because the wiki consists of large pages with a lot of POIs around. My current work on porting to Elasticsearch would allow a sane spatial search for secondary coordinates, once it's complete we can experiment with adding a Wikiversity-specific mode for Nearby. With a lot of points around, there should be no need to have a continent-sized radius.
I imagine that if someone's in London they're much more likely to be interested in finding a place to see or to eat at rather than to find a next city for their trip. Unless all their touristic goals consist of putting check marks near city names in a looong list:)
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure we'd want to bring in secondary points - I can imagine the real use of Special:Nearby on Wikivoyage is for travellers who are looking for places to go to next that are nearby e.g. by train/bus. Somewhere like London would report Cambridge, Stonehenge or Oxford as being nearby even though they are 60+ miles apart.. yet currently it only shows 8 districts in London.
I imagine something like the in article Nearby pages that we currently have in beta would be a better vehicle for secondary points...
Is there anyway we can guide a volunteer developer to do this and is anyone interested? I'd love to see this moved along and give WV the nearby it deserves.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Max Semenik msemenik@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Actually my question is about further tweaking this... please reread my email.
D'oh!
So the problem is not in radius but in what to display. https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/784 discusses how geo search can be made more useful for WV. Our present
Nearby
implementation that searches for primary coordinaes only is not helpful because the wiki consists of large pages with a lot of POIs around. My current work on porting to Elasticsearch would allow a sane spatial
search
for secondary coordinates, once it's complete we can experiment with
adding
a Wikiversity-specific mode for Nearby. With a lot of points around,
there
should be no need to have a continent-sized radius.
-- Jon Robson
I'm saying there is use cases for both.
I would expect a site wide nearby feature to help me discover new places nearby that I should visit (Wikivoyage even has a 'Go next' section which does this)
When I'm in a place, on the page itself I would like to be able to see map that helps me explore a city and find places to eat.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Max Semenik msemenik@wikimedia.org wrote:
I imagine that if someone's in London they're much more likely to be interested in finding a place to see or to eat at rather than to find a next city for their trip. Unless all their touristic goals consist of putting check marks near city names in a looong list:)
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure we'd want to bring in secondary points - I can imagine the real use of Special:Nearby on Wikivoyage is for travellers who are looking for places to go to next that are nearby e.g. by train/bus. Somewhere like London would report Cambridge, Stonehenge or Oxford as being nearby even though they are 60+ miles apart.. yet currently it only shows 8 districts in London.
I imagine something like the in article Nearby pages that we currently have in beta would be a better vehicle for secondary points...
Is there anyway we can guide a volunteer developer to do this and is anyone interested? I'd love to see this moved along and give WV the nearby it deserves.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Max Semenik msemenik@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Actually my question is about further tweaking this... please reread my email.
D'oh!
So the problem is not in radius but in what to display. https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/784 discusses how geo search can be made more useful for WV. Our present Nearby implementation that searches for primary coordinaes only is not helpful because the wiki consists of large pages with a lot of POIs around. My current work on porting to Elasticsearch would allow a sane spatial search for secondary coordinates, once it's complete we can experiment with adding a Wikiversity-specific mode for Nearby. With a lot of points around, there should be no need to have a continent-sized radius.
-- Jon Robson
So are their any technical limitations to experiment with both right now?
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I'm saying there is use cases for both.
I would expect a site wide nearby feature to help me discover new places nearby that I should visit (Wikivoyage even has a 'Go next' section which does this)
When I'm in a place, on the page itself I would like to be able to see map that helps me explore a city and find places to eat.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Max Semenik msemenik@wikimedia.org wrote:
I imagine that if someone's in London they're much more likely to be interested in finding a place to see or to eat at rather than to find a next city for their trip. Unless all their touristic goals consist of putting check marks near city names in a looong list:)
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure we'd want to bring in secondary points - I can imagine the real use of Special:Nearby on Wikivoyage is for travellers who are looking for places to go to next that are nearby e.g. by train/bus. Somewhere like London would report Cambridge, Stonehenge or Oxford as being nearby even though they are 60+ miles apart.. yet currently it only shows 8 districts in London.
I imagine something like the in article Nearby pages that we currently have in beta would be a better vehicle for secondary points...
Is there anyway we can guide a volunteer developer to do this and is anyone interested? I'd love to see this moved along and give WV the nearby it deserves.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Max Semenik msemenik@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Actually my question is about further tweaking this... please reread my email.
D'oh!
So the problem is not in radius but in what to display. https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/784 discusses how geo search can be made more useful for WV. Our present Nearby implementation that searches for primary coordinaes only is not helpful because the wiki consists of large pages with a lot of POIs around. My current work on porting to Elasticsearch would allow a sane spatial search for secondary coordinates, once it's complete we can experiment with adding a Wikiversity-specific mode for Nearby. With a lot of points around, there should be no need to have a continent-sized radius.
-- Jon Robson
-- Jon Robson
They will be gone with Solr (or its schema, ro be precise).
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:00 AM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
So are their any technical limitations to experiment with both right now?
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I'm saying there is use cases for both.
I would expect a site wide nearby feature to help me discover new places nearby that I should visit (Wikivoyage even has a 'Go next' section which does this)
When I'm in a place, on the page itself I would like to be able to see map that helps me explore a city and find places to eat.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Max Semenik msemenik@wikimedia.org
wrote:
I imagine that if someone's in London they're much more likely to be interested in finding a place to see or to eat at rather than to find a
next
city for their trip. Unless all their touristic goals consist of putting check marks near city names in a looong list:)
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm not sure we'd want to bring in secondary points - I can imagine the real use of Special:Nearby on Wikivoyage is for travellers who are looking for places to go to next that are nearby e.g. by train/bus. Somewhere like London would report Cambridge, Stonehenge or Oxford as being nearby even though they are 60+ miles apart.. yet currently it only shows 8 districts in London.
I imagine something like the in article Nearby pages that we currently have in beta would be a better vehicle for secondary points...
Is there anyway we can guide a volunteer developer to do this and is anyone interested? I'd love to see this moved along and give WV the nearby it deserves.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Max Semenik msemenik@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com
wrote:
Actually my question is about further tweaking this... please
reread my
email.
D'oh!
So the problem is not in radius but in what to display. https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/784 discusses how geo search can be made more useful for WV. Our present Nearby implementation that searches for primary coordinaes only is not
helpful
because the wiki consists of large pages with a lot of POIs around.
My
current work on porting to Elasticsearch would allow a sane spatial search for secondary coordinates, once it's complete we can experiment with adding a Wikiversity-specific mode for Nearby. With a lot of points around, there should be no need to have a continent-sized radius.
-- Jon Robson
-- Jon Robson
And is that migration complete ?
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Max Semenik msemenik@wikimedia.org wrote:
They will be gone with Solr (or its schema, ro be precise).
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:00 AM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
So are their any technical limitations to experiment with both right now?
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I'm saying there is use cases for both.
I would expect a site wide nearby feature to help me discover new places nearby that I should visit (Wikivoyage even has a 'Go next' section which does this)
When I'm in a place, on the page itself I would like to be able to see map that helps me explore a city and find places to eat.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Max Semenik msemenik@wikimedia.org wrote:
I imagine that if someone's in London they're much more likely to be interested in finding a place to see or to eat at rather than to find a next city for their trip. Unless all their touristic goals consist of putting check marks near city names in a looong list:)
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure we'd want to bring in secondary points - I can imagine the real use of Special:Nearby on Wikivoyage is for travellers who are looking for places to go to next that are nearby e.g. by train/bus. Somewhere like London would report Cambridge, Stonehenge or Oxford as being nearby even though they are 60+ miles apart.. yet currently it only shows 8 districts in London.
I imagine something like the in article Nearby pages that we currently have in beta would be a better vehicle for secondary points...
Is there anyway we can guide a volunteer developer to do this and is anyone interested? I'd love to see this moved along and give WV the nearby it deserves.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Max Semenik msemenik@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote: > > Actually my question is about further tweaking this... please > reread my > email.
D'oh!
So the problem is not in radius but in what to display. https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/784 discusses how geo search can be made more useful for WV. Our present Nearby implementation that searches for primary coordinaes only is not helpful because the wiki consists of large pages with a lot of POIs around. My current work on porting to Elasticsearch would allow a sane spatial search for secondary coordinates, once it's complete we can experiment with adding a Wikiversity-specific mode for Nearby. With a lot of points around, there should be no need to have a continent-sized radius.
-- Jon Robson
-- Jon Robson
Just got merged today, playing with it in betalabs. The migration will not be instantaneous though because not every wiki is using CirrusSearch yet which is a prerequisite.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org wrote:
And is that migration complete ?
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Max Semenik msemenik@wikimedia.org wrote:
They will be gone with Solr (or its schema, ro be precise).
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:00 AM, Tomasz Finc tfinc@wikimedia.org
wrote:
So are their any technical limitations to experiment with both right
now?
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm saying there is use cases for both.
I would expect a site wide nearby feature to help me discover new places nearby that I should visit (Wikivoyage even has a 'Go next' section which does this)
When I'm in a place, on the page itself I would like to be able to see map that helps me explore a city and find places to eat.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Max Semenik <msemenik@wikimedia.org
wrote:
I imagine that if someone's in London they're much more likely to be interested in finding a place to see or to eat at rather than to
find a
next city for their trip. Unless all their touristic goals consist of putting check marks near city names in a looong list:)
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:47 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not sure we'd want to bring in secondary points - I can imagine the real use of Special:Nearby on Wikivoyage is for travellers who
are
looking for places to go to next that are nearby e.g. by train/bus. Somewhere like London would report Cambridge, Stonehenge or Oxford
as
being nearby even though they are 60+ miles apart.. yet currently it only shows 8 districts in London.
I imagine something like the in article Nearby pages that we currently have in beta would be a better vehicle for secondary points...
Is there anyway we can guide a volunteer developer to do this and is anyone interested? I'd love to see this moved along and give WV the nearby it deserves.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Max Semenik <
msemenik@wikimedia.org>
wrote: > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> Actually my question is about further tweaking this... please >> reread my >> email. > > > D'oh! > > So the problem is not in radius but in what to display. >
https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/784
> discusses how geo search can be made more useful for WV. Our
present
> Nearby > implementation that searches for primary coordinaes only is not > helpful > because the wiki consists of large pages with a lot of POIs
around.
> My > current work on porting to Elasticsearch would allow a sane
spatial
> search > for secondary coordinates, once it's complete we can experiment
with
> adding > a Wikiversity-specific mode for Nearby. With a lot of points
around,
> there > should be no need to have a continent-sized radius.
-- Jon Robson
-- Jon Robson