I was going to resubmit the patch below by updating the W0 and sidebar verbiage, but I noticed the word "article" is used in lots of other places. Okay if I make the changes in the other places for the actual string values on the righthand side of the = operator? I don't really care to touch the lefthand side keys of the messages at this point.
-Adam
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Siebrand (Code Review) < gerrit@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Siebrand has posted comments on this change.
Change subject: Update W0 flourishes based on UX feedback for MVP. ......................................................................
Patch Set 1:
(1 comment)
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/141852/1/wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.s... File wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.strings:
Line 16: "zero-charged-verbiage-extended" = "Loading other articles may incur data charges. Saved articles stored offline do not use data and are free.";
Currently, the app sidebar says "Saved articles". Should the sidebar say
"S Yes, please use page consistently.
I think a *Wikipedia* app should use "article" because it's not a generic MediaWiki viewing app.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
I was going to resubmit the patch below by updating the W0 and sidebar verbiage, but I noticed the word "article" is used in lots of other places. Okay if I make the changes in the other places for the actual string values on the righthand side of the = operator? I don't really care to touch the lefthand side keys of the messages at this point.
-Adam
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Siebrand (Code Review) < gerrit@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Siebrand has posted comments on this change.
Change subject: Update W0 flourishes based on UX feedback for MVP. ......................................................................
Patch Set 1:
(1 comment)
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/141852/1/wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.s... File wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.strings:
Line 16: "zero-charged-verbiage-extended" = "Loading other articles may incur data charges. Saved articles stored offline do not use data and are free.";
Currently, the app sidebar says "Saved articles". Should the sidebar
say "S Yes, please use page consistently.
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IMO the Android and iOS apps should use the *same* wording except where there's differences in structure or OS-specific customs that would make them different (which I don't think is the case here).
We've just released an Android app that says "Saved pages" in the menu, so unless we'd like to change that I'd say let's change iOS to match.
-- brion
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
I was going to resubmit the patch below by updating the W0 and sidebar verbiage, but I noticed the word "article" is used in lots of other places. Okay if I make the changes in the other places for the actual string values on the righthand side of the = operator? I don't really care to touch the lefthand side keys of the messages at this point.
-Adam
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Siebrand (Code Review) < gerrit@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Siebrand has posted comments on this change.
Change subject: Update W0 flourishes based on UX feedback for MVP. ......................................................................
Patch Set 1:
(1 comment)
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/141852/1/wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.s... File wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.strings:
Line 16: "zero-charged-verbiage-extended" = "Loading other articles may incur data charges. Saved articles stored offline do not use data and are free.";
Currently, the app sidebar says "Saved articles". Should the sidebar
say "S Yes, please use page consistently.
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I agree with Brion. Lets keep it consistent on both platforms. "Pages" everywhere.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:
IMO the Android and iOS apps should use the *same* wording except where there's differences in structure or OS-specific customs that would make them different (which I don't think is the case here).
We've just released an Android app that says "Saved pages" in the menu, so unless we'd like to change that I'd say let's change iOS to match.
-- brion
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
I was going to resubmit the patch below by updating the W0 and sidebar verbiage, but I noticed the word "article" is used in lots of other places. Okay if I make the changes in the other places for the actual string values on the righthand side of the = operator? I don't really care to touch the lefthand side keys of the messages at this point.
-Adam
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Siebrand (Code Review) < gerrit@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Siebrand has posted comments on this change.
Change subject: Update W0 flourishes based on UX feedback for MVP. ......................................................................
Patch Set 1:
(1 comment)
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/141852/1/wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.s... File wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.strings:
Line 16: "zero-charged-verbiage-extended" = "Loading other articles may incur data charges. Saved articles stored offline do not use data and are free.";
Currently, the app sidebar says "Saved articles". Should the sidebar
say "S Yes, please use page consistently.
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Agreed.
Specifically for the wording of "saved pages", in Q1 2014 we'll probably be doing work on discussion pages and it's conceivable that people will want to save those for offline reading too.
More generally, the app typically refers to pages as being "articles". Monte and I chatted about this briefly and that decision doesn't architecturally lock us in to having to refer to *all* pages as articles, so I think we're fine for now.
Dan
On Wednesday, 25 June 2014, Moiz Syed msyed@wikimedia.org wrote:
I agree with Brion. Lets keep it consistent on both platforms. "Pages" everywhere.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Brion Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bvibber@wikimedia.org');> wrote:
IMO the Android and iOS apps should use the *same* wording except where there's differences in structure or OS-specific customs that would make them different (which I don't think is the case here).
We've just released an Android app that says "Saved pages" in the menu, so unless we'd like to change that I'd say let's change iOS to match.
-- brion
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Adam Baso <abaso@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','abaso@wikimedia.org');> wrote:
I was going to resubmit the patch below by updating the W0 and sidebar verbiage, but I noticed the word "article" is used in lots of other places. Okay if I make the changes in the other places for the actual string values on the righthand side of the = operator? I don't really care to touch the lefthand side keys of the messages at this point.
-Adam
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Siebrand (Code Review) < gerrit@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gerrit@wikimedia.org');> wrote:
Siebrand has posted comments on this change.
Change subject: Update W0 flourishes based on UX feedback for MVP. ......................................................................
Patch Set 1:
(1 comment)
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/141852/1/wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.s... File wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.strings:
Line 16: "zero-charged-verbiage-extended" = "Loading other articles may incur data charges. Saved articles stored offline do not use data and are free.";
Currently, the app sidebar says "Saved articles". Should the sidebar
say "S Yes, please use page consistently.
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Per our face-to-face, the team's going to discuss this a bit more and figure out approach. I'll hold off on verbiage changes until a direction is determined.
-Adam
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Dan Garry dgarry@wikimedia.org wrote:
Agreed.
Specifically for the wording of "saved pages", in Q1 2014 we'll probably be doing work on discussion pages and it's conceivable that people will want to save those for offline reading too.
More generally, the app typically refers to pages as being "articles". Monte and I chatted about this briefly and that decision doesn't architecturally lock us in to having to refer to *all* pages as articles, so I think we're fine for now.
Dan
On Wednesday, 25 June 2014, Moiz Syed msyed@wikimedia.org wrote:
I agree with Brion. Lets keep it consistent on both platforms. "Pages" everywhere.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:
IMO the Android and iOS apps should use the *same* wording except where there's differences in structure or OS-specific customs that would make them different (which I don't think is the case here).
We've just released an Android app that says "Saved pages" in the menu, so unless we'd like to change that I'd say let's change iOS to match.
-- brion
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
I was going to resubmit the patch below by updating the W0 and sidebar verbiage, but I noticed the word "article" is used in lots of other places. Okay if I make the changes in the other places for the actual string values on the righthand side of the = operator? I don't really care to touch the lefthand side keys of the messages at this point.
-Adam
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Siebrand (Code Review) < gerrit@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Siebrand has posted comments on this change.
Change subject: Update W0 flourishes based on UX feedback for MVP. ......................................................................
Patch Set 1:
(1 comment)
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/141852/1/wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.s... File wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.strings:
Line 16: "zero-charged-verbiage-extended" = "Loading other articles may incur data charges. Saved articles stored offline do not use data and are free.";
Currently, the app sidebar says "Saved articles". Should the sidebar
say "S Yes, please use page consistently.
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...that is to say, will hold off on the "page" / "article" sweeping changes. The patch as is is ready to go for this UX refinement pass. Monte's working on a mega patch on which we'll rebase my existing patch when it's time.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
Per our face-to-face, the team's going to discuss this a bit more and figure out approach. I'll hold off on verbiage changes until a direction is determined.
-Adam
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Dan Garry dgarry@wikimedia.org wrote:
Agreed.
Specifically for the wording of "saved pages", in Q1 2014 we'll probably be doing work on discussion pages and it's conceivable that people will want to save those for offline reading too.
More generally, the app typically refers to pages as being "articles". Monte and I chatted about this briefly and that decision doesn't architecturally lock us in to having to refer to *all* pages as articles, so I think we're fine for now.
Dan
On Wednesday, 25 June 2014, Moiz Syed msyed@wikimedia.org wrote:
I agree with Brion. Lets keep it consistent on both platforms. "Pages" everywhere.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:
IMO the Android and iOS apps should use the *same* wording except where there's differences in structure or OS-specific customs that would make them different (which I don't think is the case here).
We've just released an Android app that says "Saved pages" in the menu, so unless we'd like to change that I'd say let's change iOS to match.
-- brion
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
I was going to resubmit the patch below by updating the W0 and sidebar verbiage, but I noticed the word "article" is used in lots of other places. Okay if I make the changes in the other places for the actual string values on the righthand side of the = operator? I don't really care to touch the lefthand side keys of the messages at this point.
-Adam
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Siebrand (Code Review) < gerrit@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Siebrand has posted comments on this change.
Change subject: Update W0 flourishes based on UX feedback for MVP. ......................................................................
Patch Set 1:
(1 comment)
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/141852/1/wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.s... File wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.strings:
Line 16: "zero-charged-verbiage-extended" = "Loading other articles may incur data charges. Saved articles stored offline do not use data and are free."; > Currently, the app sidebar says "Saved articles". Should the sidebar say "S Yes, please use page consistently.
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I'll also note that siebrand -1's any change that uses 'article' instead of page, and also that Android app uses page everywhere.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
...that is to say, will hold off on the "page" / "article" sweeping changes. The patch as is is ready to go for this UX refinement pass. Monte's working on a mega patch on which we'll rebase my existing patch when it's time.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
Per our face-to-face, the team's going to discuss this a bit more and figure out approach. I'll hold off on verbiage changes until a direction is determined.
-Adam
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Dan Garry dgarry@wikimedia.org wrote:
Agreed.
Specifically for the wording of "saved pages", in Q1 2014 we'll probably be doing work on discussion pages and it's conceivable that people will want to save those for offline reading too.
More generally, the app typically refers to pages as being "articles". Monte and I chatted about this briefly and that decision doesn't architecturally lock us in to having to refer to *all* pages as articles, so I think we're fine for now.
Dan
On Wednesday, 25 June 2014, Moiz Syed msyed@wikimedia.org wrote:
I agree with Brion. Lets keep it consistent on both platforms. "Pages" everywhere.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Brion Vibber bvibber@wikimedia.org wrote:
IMO the Android and iOS apps should use the same wording except where there's differences in structure or OS-specific customs that would make them different (which I don't think is the case here).
We've just released an Android app that says "Saved pages" in the menu, so unless we'd like to change that I'd say let's change iOS to match.
-- brion
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
I was going to resubmit the patch below by updating the W0 and sidebar verbiage, but I noticed the word "article" is used in lots of other places. Okay if I make the changes in the other places for the actual string values on the righthand side of the = operator? I don't really care to touch the lefthand side keys of the messages at this point.
-Adam
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Siebrand (Code Review) gerrit@wikimedia.org wrote: > > Siebrand has posted comments on this change. > > Change subject: Update W0 flourishes based on UX feedback for MVP. > > ...................................................................... > > > Patch Set 1: > > (1 comment) > > > https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/141852/1/wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.s... > File wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.strings: > > Line 16: "zero-charged-verbiage-extended" = "Loading other articles > may incur data charges. Saved articles stored offline do not use data and > are free."; > > Currently, the app sidebar says "Saved articles". Should the > > sidebar say "S > Yes, please use page consistently.
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On Wednesday, June 25, 2014, Yuvi Panda yuvipanda@gmail.com wrote:
I'll also note that siebrand -1's any change that uses 'article' instead of page, and also that Android app uses page everywhere.
Yeah this is a general issue we need to resolve. We tried to use article in GettingStarted, an extension only deployed to Wikipedia, and Siebrand disabled translations in retaliation. We had to go back, set page as the default, then set an override to use article on Wikipedia.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Adam Baso <abaso@wikimedia.org javascript:;> wrote:
...that is to say, will hold off on the "page" / "article" sweeping
changes.
The patch as is is ready to go for this UX refinement pass. Monte's
working
on a mega patch on which we'll rebase my existing patch when it's time.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Adam Baso <abaso@wikimedia.org
javascript:;> wrote:
Per our face-to-face, the team's going to discuss this a bit more and figure out approach. I'll hold off on verbiage changes until a
direction is
determined.
-Adam
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Dan Garry <dgarry@wikimedia.org
javascript:;> wrote:
Agreed.
Specifically for the wording of "saved pages", in Q1 2014 we'll
probably
be doing work on discussion pages and it's conceivable that people
will want
to save those for offline reading too.
More generally, the app typically refers to pages as being "articles". Monte and I chatted about this briefly and that decision doesn't architecturally lock us in to having to refer to *all* pages as
articles, so
I think we're fine for now.
Dan
On Wednesday, 25 June 2014, Moiz Syed <msyed@wikimedia.org
javascript:;> wrote:
I agree with Brion. Lets keep it consistent on both platforms. "Pages" everywhere.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Brion Vibber <bvibber@wikimedia.org
wrote:
IMO the Android and iOS apps should use the same wording except where there's differences in structure or OS-specific customs that would
make them
different (which I don't think is the case here).
We've just released an Android app that says "Saved pages" in the
menu,
so unless we'd like to change that I'd say let's change iOS to match.
-- brion
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Adam Baso <abaso@wikimedia.org
javascript:;> wrote:
> > I was going to resubmit the patch below by updating the W0 and
sidebar
> verbiage, but I noticed the word "article" is used in lots of other
places.
> Okay if I make the changes in the other places for the actual
string values
> on the righthand side of the = operator? I don't really care to
touch the
> lefthand side keys of the messages at this point. > > -Adam > > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Siebrand (Code Review) > <gerrit@wikimedia.org javascript:;> wrote: >> >> Siebrand has posted comments on this change. >> >> Change subject: Update W0 flourishes based on UX feedback for MVP. >> >>
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>> >> >> Patch Set 1: >> >> (1 comment) >> >> >>
https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/141852/1/wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.s...
>> File wikipedia/en.lproj/Localizable.strings: >> >> Line 16: "zero-charged-verbiage-extended" = "Loading other articles >> may incur data charges. Saved articles stored offline do not use
data and
>> are free."; >> > Currently, the app sidebar says "Saved articles". Should the >> > sidebar say "S >> Yes, please use page consistently. > > > _______________________________________________ > Mobile-l mailing list > Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >
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