If we open the image upload in the mobile app people will upload selfie and
their other images which might not useful at all. At present there are ways
to upload them via web browser and few people are doing so.
on the other hand we will get a lots of useful images if there is a option
available via mobile. We can improve the existing Wikipedia articles using
these images and will help a lot to create new articles.
The sad part is for defining the Commons mobile app's future we the first
option was picked, "restrict all to upload images" and we all are trying to
believe that it helps us a lot! though there are other good people who are
building mobile apps using the same feature set :)
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Brian Gerstle <bgerstle(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Because Commons is afraid of the massive influx of
selfies that will then
have to be deleted, binding admin time and
upsetting the uploader (who is,
likely, not aware of the Commons policies).
As was said before in this thread, some filtering at the source
(smartphone) will have to be implemented to keep
everyone sane (YMMV).
I understand apps are focusing on readership at the moment, but are there
any investigations figuring out how to scale contribution workflows and/or
moderation? I appreciate that this is a difficult problem, and I hope
we're putting earnest effort into figuring out how to mitigate or solve it.
I'm just troubled by some of the language used here, and elsewhere, which
describes a "fear" of more users. I can't help but wonder how many
companies or services would readily welcome a "massive influx of users."
How will Wikipedia or Commons succeed if we're afraid growth?
Also, aren't we dealing with this to a certain extent with
Wikidata/Wikigrok?
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson(a)gmail.com> wrote:
There seems to be two things in conflict when
dealing with anything
upload related.
1) uploading from a mobile phone is easy - that's a good thing
2) uploading useful content to commons is difficult for most people
Remember we made it super easy on web and we even limited who could see
it but people still uploaded selfies and copyvios. IMO the copyvios were an
attempt to be helpful.
So I ask you what's more important - 1 or 2? The only really the commons
app was a roaring success was the lack of its brand value as Amir says most
"muggles" don't know what it is so this serves as a filter for people that
use the app. Folding this functionality into a Wikipedia app would make you
hit problem 2 and all the moderation problems associated with it.
On 15 Apr 2015 4:54 am, "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il>
wrote:
An
Android Commons mobile app is probably the mandatory catalisator
for hundreds of
millions of people to participate to Commons. If you have
only 300 unique users a month with an official Commons app, IMO the only
thing it tells you is: the app is not good enough!
Muggles (no offense, honestly) don't know what "Commons" is.
Either we need to educate the world that Commons is an awesome
repository of media that can compete with Flickr and Instagram, or we need
to bundle it with the Wikipedia app, which a lot of people do have.
Facebook unbundled the Messenger app from the Facebook app, and millions
hate it, but the same millions use it because they are hooked too strongly,
and Facebook has a super-strong interest in hooking people to the Messenger
(the most popular explanation is that they want to transition it to a
payment processing app).
We are not in the business of hooking people, but in the business of
sharing knowledge. I'd actually love the first thing to happen - to
popularize the Commons as a truly free competitor to Flickr, etc. But at
this point in time this appears to be a much higher-hanging fruit than
adding easy image sharing functionality to the Wikipedia app.
But, these numbers are not a surprise to me. I
have tested Commons *in
real conditions* a year ago in Africa and the result was:
almost impossible
to upload picture to Commons (but no problem to upload the same pictures to
Tumblr).
I'm not sure that I understood: Is it because of server problems that we
can fix, or because there is no app?
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