If you happen to pursue this card, it's implicit, but was hoping you could tag in the disposition of whether it's W0-scoped or not. The flag in the data should be generic, like "w0" if it's W0.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Arthur Richards arichards@wikimedia.orgwrote:
Jon, create a story card for this and we can discuss a bit during today's planning meeting.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly.
According to click tracking the settings page gets 200 clicks a day (compared to Watchlist which gets around 5K) - although note this clicktracking is only limited to users of high end phones (requires JavaScript). I think these metrics would be very useful to have and would let us get a better idea of our users.
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org wrote:
You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a
backend
event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event logging solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event
logging
would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices
without
JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those with
it.
Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on
20140310 log
data.
Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content
served) -
0.09% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8%
General m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content
served) -
0.02% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9%
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com
wrote:
Poke. I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in mobile web I think this is a good idea.
I created a story https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 in the hope we might explore this.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look at percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable difference.
Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing
DOMParse
wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement right below it?
As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia
Zero
for Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are
POSTs
(POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the
user
hits "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can somewhat safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe
500
users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by
implication)
hit "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists,
particularly
in the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller
story,
I suppose.
-Adam
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson jdlrobson@gmail.com
wrote:
Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this feature is....
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso abaso@wikimedia.org
wrote:
> Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like
Special:MobileOptions
> constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof
definition,
> but > a > good enough one). > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc <tfinc@wikimedia.org
> wrote: >> >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy >> enough to measure and get into a sprint. >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson@gmail.com
>> wrote: >> > On this page - >> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions >> > - >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. >> > >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get
some
>> > data? >> > >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an >> > option >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of... >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Mobile-l mailing list >> > Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mobile-l mailing list >> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > >
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