Could there be a way to have our nicely curated description cake and eat it too? For example, interpolating data into the description and/or marking data points which are referenced in the description (so as to mark it as outdated when they change)?
I appreciate the potential benefits of generated descriptions (and other things), but Monte's examples might have swayed me towards human curated—when available.
On Tuesday, August 18, 2015, Monte Hurd mhurd@wikimedia.org wrote:
Ok, so I just did what I proposed. I went to random enwiki articles and described the first ten I found which didn't already have descriptions:
- "Courage Under Fire", *1996 film about a Gulf War friendly-fire
incident*
"Pebasiconcha immanis", *largest known species of land snail, extinct*
"List of Kenyan writers", *notable Kenyan authors*
"Solar eclipse of December 14, 1917", *annular eclipse which lasted 77
seconds*
- "Natchaug Forest Lumber Shed", *historic Civilian Conservation Corps
post-and-beam building*
- "Sun of Jamaica (album)", *debut 1980 studio album by Goombay Dance
Band*
"E-1027", *modernist villa in France by architect Eileen Gray*
"Daingerfield State Park", *park in Morris County, Texas, USA,
bordering Lake Daingerfield*
"Todo Lo Que Soy-En Vivo", *2014 Live album by Mexican pop singer Fey*
"2009 UEFA Regions' Cup", *6th UEFA Regions' Cup, won by Castile and
Leon*
And here are the respective descriptions from Magnus' (quite excellent) autodesc.js:
- "Courage Under Fire", *1996 film by Edward Zwick, produced by John
Davis and David T. Friendly from United States of America*
"Pebasiconcha immanis", *species of Mollusca*
"List of Kenyan writers", *Wikimedia list article*
"Solar eclipse of December 14, 1917", *solar eclipse*
"Natchaug Forest Lumber Shed", *Construction in Connecticut, United
States of America*
"Sun of Jamaica (album)", *album*
"E-1027", *villa in Roquebrune-Cap-Martin, France*
"Daingerfield State Park", *state park and state park of a state of the
United States in Texas, United States of America*
"Todo Lo Que Soy-En Vivo", *live album by Fey*
"2009 UEFA Regions' Cup", *none*
Thoughts?
Just trying to make my own bold assertions falsifiable :)
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Monte Hurd <mhurd@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhurd@wikimedia.org');> wrote:
The whole human-vs-extracted descriptions quality question could be fairly easy to test I think:
- Pick, some number of articles at random.
- Run them through a description extraction script.
- Have a human describe the same articles with, say, the app interface I
demo'ed.
If nothing else this exercise could perhaps make what's thus far been a wildly abstract discussion more concrete.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Monte Hurd <mhurd@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhurd@wikimedia.org');> wrote:
If having the most elegant description extraction mechanism was the goal I would totally agree ;)
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Dmitry Brant <dbrant@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dbrant@wikimedia.org');> wrote:
IMO, allowing the user to edit the description is a missed opportunity to make the user edit the actual *data*, such that the description is generated correctly.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Monte Hurd <mhurd@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhurd@wikimedia.org');> wrote:
IMO, if the goal is quality, then human curated descriptions are superior until such time as the auto-generation script passes the Turing test ;)
I see these empty descriptions as an amazing opportunity to give *everyone* an easy new way to edit. I whipped an app editing interface up at the Lyon hackathon: bluetooth720 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VblyGhf_c8
I used it to add a couple hundred descriptions in a single day just by hitting "random" then adding descriptions for articles which didn't have them.
I'd love to try a limited test of this in production to get a sense for how effective human curation can be if the interface is easy to use...
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jan Ainali <jan.ainali@wikimedia.se javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jan.ainali@wikimedia.se');> wrote:
Nice one!
Does not appear to work on svwiki though. Does it have something to do with that the wiki in question does not display that tagline?
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> Show automatic description underneath "From Wikipedia...": > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/autodesc.js > > To use, add: > importScript ( 'User:Magnus_Manske/autodesc.js' ) ; > to your common.js > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM Jane Darnell <jane023@gmail.com > javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jane023@gmail.com');> wrote: > >> It would be even better if this (short: 3 field max) pipe-separated >> list was available as a gadget to wikidatans on Wikipedia (like me). I >> can't see if a page I am on has an "instance of" (though it should) and I >> can see the description thanks to another gadget (sorry no idea which one >> that is). Often I will update empty descriptions, but if I was served basic >> fields (so for a painting, the creator field), I would click through to >> update that too. >> >> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) < >> nemowiki@gmail.com >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nemowiki@gmail.com');> wrote: >> >>> Jane Darnell, 15/08/2015 08:53: >>> >>>> Yes but even if the descriptions were just the contents of fields >>>> separated by a pipe it would be better than nothing. >>>> >>> >>> +1, item descriptions are mostly useless in my experience. >>> >>> As for "get into production on Wikipedia" I don't know what it >>> means, I certainly don't like 1) mobile-specific features, 2) overriding >>> existing manually curated content; but it's good to 3) fill gaps. Mobile >>> folks often do (1) and (2), if they *instead* did (3) I'd be very happy. :) >>> >>> Nemo >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mobile-l mailing list >> Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org'); >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Mobile-l mailing list > Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org > javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Mobile-l@lists.wikimedia.org'); > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > >
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