It is a totally valid concern in terms of readability, and kudos to
everyone who put time and energy to investigate solutions for it,
however, in addition to all what Amir asked:
1. Is there a chance to expand the quick audit? Do we have any estimate of
many articles will be negatively affected, as the example Amir mentioned
2. What is the cost of adding an option of "view original text" in right
panel, with articles that will have this kind of display? (at the end of
the day, information between brackets is_always_ good to know). Or else,
"view lite edition" while keeping original text as default.
3. How does this work with editing? ..and excuse the ridiculous example,
but what happens if, from mobile I made a small edit that contained
brackets, to the first lines?
4. Is this the best approach? Am quoting from Dan's earlier email, where I
totally agree with: " *the long term solution is, at least to me, to invest
in is getting our engaged readers to write clear, coherent Wikidata
descriptions. These can then be used across all platforms to support that
workflow.*" or other ideas similar ideas. I would just worry to have this
implemented and left to run without another longer term strategy being
Many Thanks :-)
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <
A few notes:
1. Will it be done only in English or also in other languages? In
particular, what about languages that don't use the '(' and ')'
such as Chinese?
2. Can this be made optional for people who really want to see it? (I know
it sounds like xkcd 1172, but still.)
3. A counter-example of something in parentheses that can be useful:
Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2015-03-13 3:07 GMT+02:00 Dan Garry <dgarry(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:
*tl;dr: We'll be stripping all content contained inside brackets from the
first sentence of articles in the Wikipedia app.*
The Mobile Apps Team is focussed on making the app a beautiful and
engaging reader experience, and trying to support use cases like wanting to
look something up quickly to find what it is. Unfortunately, there are
several aspects of Wikipedia at present that are actively detrimental to
that goal. One example of this are the lead sentences.
As mentioned in the other thread on this matter
lead sentences are poorly formatted and contain information that is
detrimental to quickly looking up a topic. The team did a quick audit
the information available inside brackets in the first sentences, and
typically it is pronunciation information which is probably better placed
in the infobox rather than breaking up the first sentence. The other
problem is that this information was typically inserted and previewed on a
platform where space is not at a premium, and that calculation is different
on mobile devices.
In order to better serve the quick lookup use case, the team has reached
the decision to strip anything inside brackets in the first sentence of
articles in the Wikipedia app.
Stripping content is not a decision to be made lightly. People took the
time to write it, and that should be respected. We realise this is
controversial. That said, it's the opinion of the team that the problem is
pretty clear: this content is not optimised for users quickly looking
things up on mobile devices at all, and will take a long time to solve
through alternative means. A quicker solution is required.
The screenshots below are mockups of the before and after of the change.
These are not final, I just put them together quickly to illustrate what
I'm talking about.
- Before: http://i.imgur.com/VwKerbv.jpg
- After: http://i.imgur.com/2A5PLmy.jpg
If you have any questions, let me know.
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