Hi everyone,
For quite some time I have been one of the people maintaining and moderating the different Pywikibot mailman lists. Over time the amount of junk (spam) coming in through the -owner addresses of these lists has increased a lot. My impression is that the people in charge of maintaining mailman are not doing enough to fight this kind of abuse. I'm so annoyed by this I decided now is a good time to stop maintaining mailman lists and spend my time on something more fulfilling.
Maarten
Totally feel with you. I had to fully auto-reject non-members on other lists for the same reason.
It would be helpful if more spam would be rejected right away (e.g. if a message is rejected/explicitely ignored in more than two mailing lists, you can ignore them elsewhere, too).
Lodewijk
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Hi everyone,
For quite some time I have been one of the people maintaining and moderating the different Pywikibot mailman lists. Over time the amount of junk (spam) coming in through the -owner addresses of these lists has increased a lot. My impression is that the people in charge of maintaining mailman are not doing enough to fight this kind of abuse. I'm so annoyed by this I decided now is a good time to stop maintaining mailman lists and spend my time on something more fulfilling.
Maarten
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
A couple of thoughts: There are 3 sections of questions related to reducing spam, at the bottom of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mailing_lists/Administration if anyone has tips/answers?
I've added details on a useful greasemonkey script (written by bd808), that greatly speeds up the moderation process of discarding spam and adding addresses to the auto-discard list, in a subsection of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Tend_to_ pending_moderator_requests
HTH,
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
Totally feel with you. I had to fully auto-reject non-members on other lists for the same reason.
It would be helpful if more spam would be rejected right away (e.g. if a message is rejected/explicitely ignored in more than two mailing lists, you can ignore them elsewhere, too).
Lodewijk
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Hi everyone,
For quite some time I have been one of the people maintaining and moderating the different Pywikibot mailman lists. Over time the amount of junk (spam) coming in through the -owner addresses of these lists has increased a lot. My impression is that the people in charge of maintaining mailman are not doing enough to fight this kind of abuse. I'm so annoyed by this I decided now is a good time to stop maintaining mailman lists and spend my time on something more fulfilling.
Maarten
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
On Thu, 2017-05-04 at 09:51 -0700, Nick Wilson (Quiddity) wrote:
A couple of thoughts: There are 3 sections of questions related to reducing spam, at the bottom of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mailing_lists/Administ ration if anyone has tips/answers?
Also see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T160529#3214582 for some links and instructions how to set thresholds for a list.
Cheers, andre
Another tipp for linux terminal users: there ist a software called listadmin, wich you can use to moderate very efficiently big amounts of mailinglists.
If some wikimedia-tech-related list desperately needs a moderator, I would also volunteer, moderating one more lists… ;)
Regards, M
Am Donnerstag, den 04.05.2017, 09:51 -0700 schrieb Nick Wilson (Quiddity):
A couple of thoughts: There are 3 sections of questions related to reducing spam, at the bottom of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mailing_lists/Administ ration if anyone has tips/answers?
I've added details on a useful greasemonkey script (written by bd808), that greatly speeds up the moderation process of discarding spam and adding addresses to the auto-discard list, in a subsection of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Tend_ to_pending_moderator_requests
HTH,
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote: Totally feel with you. I had to fully auto-reject non-members on other lists for the same reason.
It would be helpful if more spam would be rejected right away (e.g. if a message is rejected/explicitely ignored in more than two mailing lists, you can ignore them elsewhere, too).
Lodewijk
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Maarten Dammers <maarten@mdammers.n l> wrote:
Hi everyone,
For quite some time I have been one of the people maintaining and moderating the different Pywikibot mailman lists. Over time the amount of junk (spam) coming in through the -owner addresses of these lists has increased a lot. My impression is that the people in charge of maintaining mailman are not doing enough to fight this kind of abuse. I'm so annoyed by this I decided now is a good time to stop maintaining mailman lists and spend my time on something more fulfilling.
Maarten
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
You all seem to miss the point. The junk that got through was directed at the -owner addresses like pywikibot-owner@lists.wikimedia.org not at the actual lists.
Maarten
On 05-05-17 00:53, Michael F. Schönitzer wrote:
Another tipp for linux terminal users: there ist a software called listadmin, wich you can use to moderate very efficiently big amounts of mailinglists.
If some wikimedia-tech-related list desperately needs a moderator, I would also volunteer, moderating one more lists… ;)
Regards, M
Am Donnerstag, den 04.05.2017, 09:51 -0700 schrieb Nick Wilson (Quiddity):
A couple of thoughts: There are 3 sections of questions related to reducing spam, at the bottom of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mailing_lists/Administ ration if anyone has tips/answers?
I've added details on a useful greasemonkey script (written by bd808), that greatly speeds up the moderation process of discarding spam and adding addresses to the auto-discard list, in a subsection of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Tend_ to_pending_moderator_requests
HTH,
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote: Totally feel with you. I had to fully auto-reject non-members on other lists for the same reason.
It would be helpful if more spam would be rejected right away (e.g. if a message is rejected/explicitely ignored in more than two mailing lists, you can ignore them elsewhere, too).
Lodewijk
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Maarten Dammers <maarten@mdammers.n l> wrote:
Hi everyone,
For quite some time I have been one of the people maintaining and moderating the different Pywikibot mailman lists. Over time the amount of junk (spam) coming in through the -owner addresses of these lists has increased a lot. My impression is that the people in charge of maintaining mailman are not doing enough to fight this kind of abuse. I'm so annoyed by this I decided now is a good time to stop maintaining mailman lists and spend my time on something more fulfilling.
Maarten
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
Totally understand. Does Mailman have active development currently? If not, maybe we should consider moving to other mailing list system or develop our own?
2017-05-05 10:54 GMT+02:00 Maarten Dammers maarten@mdammers.nl:
You all seem to miss the point. The junk that got through was directed at the -owner addresses like pywikibot-owner@lists.wikimedia.org not at the actual lists. Maarten
On 05-05-17 00:53, Michael F. Schönitzer wrote:
Another tipp for linux terminal users: there ist a software called listadmin, wich you can use to moderate very efficiently big amounts of mailinglists.
If some wikimedia-tech-related list desperately needs a moderator, I would also volunteer, moderating one more lists… ;)
Regards, M
Am Donnerstag, den 04.05.2017, 09:51 -0700 schrieb Nick Wilson (Quiddity):
A couple of thoughts: There are 3 sections of questions related to reducing spam, at the bottom of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mailing_lists/Administ ration if anyone has tips/answers?
I've added details on a useful greasemonkey script (written by bd808), that greatly speeds up the moderation process of discarding spam and adding addresses to the auto-discard list, in a subsection of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration#Tend_ to_pending_moderator_requests
HTH,
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote: Totally feel with you. I had to fully auto-reject non-members on other lists for the same reason.
It would be helpful if more spam would be rejected right away (e.g. if a message is rejected/explicitely ignored in more than two mailing lists, you can ignore them elsewhere, too).
Lodewijk
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Maarten Dammers <maarten@mdammers.n l> maarten@mdammers.nl wrote:
Hi everyone,
For quite some time I have been one of the people maintaining and moderating the different Pywikibot mailman lists. Over time the amount of junk (spam) coming in through the -owner addresses of these lists has increased a lot. My impression is that the people in charge of maintaining mailman are not doing enough to fight this kind of abuse. I'm so annoyed by this I decided now is a good time to stop maintaining mailman lists and spend my time on something more fulfilling.
Maarten
Listadmins mailing listListadmins@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
Listadmins mailing listListadmins@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
Listadmins mailing listListadmins@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
Listadmins mailing listListadmins@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
Listadmins mailing list Listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins
On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:04 AM, MarcoAurelio strigiwm@gmail.com wrote:
Totally understand. Does Mailman have active development currently? If not, maybe we should consider moving to other mailing list system or develop our own?
See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T52864 and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124690
listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org