Well, I meant the username, of course, not the real name. Right now you can only find which email is connected to which username if you had email contact with the user him/herself. I used it so that the other list admins (if appointed later) could also find out which email had to be removed if someone quit from a function. For example: if a checkuser quits, then with the list we could easily find which email we had to remove. That is a lot harder now. Trijnstel ________________________________ Van: effe iets anders &lt;effeietsanders(a)gmail.com&gt; Verzonden: maandag 14 juni 2021 08:24 Aan: List for discussions related to list admins on lists.wikimedia.org &lt;listadmins(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Onderwerp: [List admins] Re: Name connected to an email? I'm not sure if that feature was supposed to be used that way. From what I understand, this was mostly exposing people's real identity to other list members. In my humble opinion, this should in our setup in 99% be the choice of the individual and not of the list admin. That is, if it is even legal to collect that kind of data unless you have prior permission. Lodewijk On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 11:12 PM Trijnstel wp <Trijnstel@hotmail.com<mailto:Trijnstel@hotmail.com>> wrote: Hi, In the previous mailman version you could write a name to an email address so that it was easy to find which user was connected to which email. In this new version I haven't found this feature yet. Does it exist? And if not: is there a possibility to add it? Trijnstel _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list -- listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:listadmins@lists.wikimedia.org> To unsubscribe send an email to listadmins-leave@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:listadmins-leave@lists.wikimedia.org> To request technical changes for a specific list, please instead create a task in Phabricator. See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists

Il 14/06/21 09:52, effe iets anders ha scritto: That's the username for logging into "mailman" (both hyperkitty and Postorious, AFAICT). It's not supposed to have any other purpose, I think. (I didn't check docs nor code.) Federico

This is a problem for lists where membership is dependent on onwiki permissions, especially those that deal with non-public information - that is, checkuser, oversight, functionary and arbcom-type lists. All of the lists of which I am an administrator are included in this. Not being able to link the email address to the onwiki username of the person is genuinely an issue for us, because we're responsible for ensuring that only those who qualify for membership are included. We need to find a way to be able to do that. It is a big deal, because of the nature of these lists. When I look at the users of those private lists, some of them have a "name" in quotation marks before the email address, which is pretty much what we want to continue doing. I just don't see how we can do that. (And I've checked, the names in quotations are NOT the same from list to list.) Incidentally, if you want to update any data for your personal pistorius account, you are REQUIRED to add a first and last name. (Hello everyone, I'm Risker Risker!) The entire "user privacy" theory doesn't make sense - it's the email address that's private, not the username, and it's not private from the list moderators. Risker/Anne On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 at 10:01, Mohamed ElGohary &lt;ircpresident(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

In all fairness, this is not a problem with mailman3. I had the exact same issue with Perisan Wikipedia's internal admin mailing list where I'm an owner. You can set a name there but most people prefer their name instead of their username and I couldn't find out which user is which. In some cases, I even sent an email internally asking "Does anyone know who is foo(a)bar.com?&quot;quot;. Back to trying to fix the problem. This will be partially handled with https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T249678 which when done, you can draw the connection between user and email addresses. Even if that doesn't get done, handling such cases (specially the ones dealing with NDA) is much easier in mm3. Now we have the list of members in a database table and I can query that!, then I can easily match that query with email addresses of checkusers and other functionaries across all wikis in production tables. This can be written in a weekend but I need approval from legal/T&S for this as this effectively moves private data around in production and possibly I need to disclose the results to owners of that mailing list. Please create a ticket and let's continue discussing there. Best On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 1:40 AM Platonides &lt;platonides(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: -- Amir (he/him)