Listadmins August 2015

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[Discussion] tips for moderating lists, especially fighting spam
by Nick Wilson (Quiddity) 01 Sep '15

01 Sep '15

[A thread for discussing tips, and sharing how-to. Updates should be made (by anyone confident) to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Administration *Non-private questions should be asked at the talkpage there.* Mute this thread if you don't want to see it and you use an email program that enables that... :-) ] Re: SpamAssassin's X-Spam-Score - There was a bugzilla/phab task related to spam, at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T58525 ("Improve spam filtering for Mailman mailing lists") I've asked for an update and details about what we should use, at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mailing_lists/Administration#Spam.21 - Reply THERE please! I've detailed my daily process at another new section just below that. If there's something better, please let us know, there! ... (Probably nothing private in here, but I haven't had enough coffee yet, so instead of asking at the talkpage...) I just learned about the option to Not send me a copy of every bounce. So that will be nice! (bottom radio-button in this screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/hu5SR8h.png) Is that a good setting to recommend to all admins on the wiki page? Is there a way to get useful regex out of our current lists of "auto-discard"? (my grep-fu and regex-fu are lacking). Here are the addresses that I've moderated spam from, on 2 lists: https://dpaste.de/CgxV/raw Perhaps the mailinglists that get large quantities of spam, could somehow share (automatically, or manually a few times a year) their auto-discard-listings? Hope that helps. /me goes back to his weekend, and wishes you a good one. -- Quiddity

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deleting held messages after 90 days
by Daniel Zahn 31 Aug '15

31 Aug '15

Hello list admins, we have found that globally we had over half a million mails in mailman lists that were not moderated. So that means they got held in the moderation queues but were not accepted or discarded. We have started deleting the oldest ones first (over 1 year old) then moved to (older than 6 months). We are planning to setup an automated cron job to do this automatically in the background. Currently the plan is to delete all messages that are held and older than 90 days. Please let us know if any concerns and moderate a bit more if this affects your list. Thank you and best regards, Daniel -- Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org> Operations Engineer

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deleting unmoderated messages after 90 days
by Daniel Zahn 31 Aug '15

31 Aug '15

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Re: [List admins] deleting held messages after 90 days
by Steinsplitter Wiki 30 Aug '15

30 Aug '15

I agree with Anne. :-) If this is a announcement only list then the settings should be changed. [Suggestion: Crating a own folder for mails coming from this list to prevent flooding] Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:08:54 -0400 From: risker.wp(a)gmail.com To: listadmins(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [List admins] deleting held messages after 90 days This makes the assumption that all Wikimedia list administrators have Phabricator accounts. Please don't make that assumption. The overwhelming majority of Wikimedians don't, and there is no reason to believe that mailing list administrators are in the small group that does. Risker/Anne On 27 August 2015 at 20:51, Greg Grossmeier <greg(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: Can we please move this discussion to a Phabricator ticket or something else? This list was supposed to be, I thought, only for minimal administrivia communication. Greg <quote name="Daniel Zahn" date="2015-08-27" time="16:08:10 -0700"> > On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Maarten Dammers <maarten(a)mdammers.nl> wrote: > > Can you publish a per list breakdown here? What lists had the most messages > > waiting for moderation? > > Here's some data for all lists that had over 1000. > > 71729 ./heldmsg-wikiru > 66819 ./heldmsg-wikinews > 43642 ./heldmsg-maps > 40495 ./heldmsg-wikimedia > 38696 ./heldmsg-wikifa > 37172 ./heldmsg-wiktionary > 26928 ./heldmsg-wikimediabe > 25267 ./heldmsg-wikimediake > 25178 ./heldmsg-wikimedia > 21802 ./heldmsg-libraries > 21728 ./heldmsg-education > 20654 ./heldmsg-wikisk > 19982 ./heldmsg-wikifi > 18612 ./heldmsg-wikiia > 14318 ./heldmsg-wikilb > 10470 ./heldmsg-wiktionarypt > 10249 ./heldmsg-exyu > 8508 ./heldmsg-wikiskan > 5672 ./heldmsg-wikihe > 5018 ./heldmsg-wikimedianz > 4649 ./heldmsg-wikiquality > 4337 ./heldmsg-wikiversity > 2885 ./heldmsg-wikibooksde > 2381 ./heldmsg-wikimedia > 2238 ./heldmsg-juriwiki > 1918 ./heldmsg-mailman > 1821 ./heldmsg-wikimedia > 1705 ./heldmsg-wikipedia > 1554 ./heldmsg-wikimediafr > 1537 ./heldmsg-infobg > 1496 ./heldmsg-wikiar > 1353 ./heldmsg-wikimk > 1310 ./heldmsg-ruwikiconference > 1240 ./heldmsg-wikimediahk > 1168 ./heldmsg-wikimedia > 1167 ./heldmsg-wikiml > 1078 ./heldmsg-ca > > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109838#1561937 > > we also have: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110438 > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T110609 > > for more data i have to restore already deleted stuff from bacula, but i can. > > -- > Daniel Zahn <dzahn(a)wikimedia.org> > Operations Engineer > > _______________________________________________ > Listadmins mailing list > Listadmins(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins -- | Greg Grossmeier GPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E | | identi.ca: @greg A18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D | _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list Listadmins(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins _______________________________________________ Listadmins mailing list Listadmins(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/listadmins

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Wikimedia List Administration (was: Re: deleting held messages after 90 days)
by Richard Ames 30 Aug '15

30 Aug '15

I think this thread / conversation has been useful. I had no idea WMF lists were so poorly operated / administered. Clean up is definitely needed. The WMF is responsible for the overall operation of the list / list service and there should be a named person in the hot seat. Who is that person???? Regards, Richard. On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Greg Grossmeier <greg(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > Can we please move this discussion to a Phabricator ticket or something > else? This list was supposed to be, I thought, only for minimal > administrivia communication. > > Greg

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Powerusers managing mailinglist in command line
by Hans-Petter Fjeld 27 Aug '15

27 Aug '15

Hey guys, The recent activity about deleting held messages made me aware that many people are struggling with the web interface. Thats understandable, and while my note wont help everyone it might be able to help some. I wanted to make people aware of the possibility to mange mailman mailinglists via command line. It requires a working Perl, and I don't know how easy that is to do on Windows, I will let other people try to figure that out. Anyway, if it looks like something that could help you, check out http://freecode.com/projects/listadmin http://heim.ifi.uio.no/kjetilho/hacks/#listadmin Have a good day. - Hans-Petter

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mailman planned maintenance/downtime scheduled - 2015-08-18 17:00–18:00 UTC
by Rob Halsell 14 Aug '15

14 Aug '15

This notice has been emailed to the list owners mailing list and operations list, as well as posted on tasks T108099 & T107445. I've scheduled a mailman downtime window for planned maintainance on Tuesday, August 18th, 17:00–18:00 UTC. During this time, I'll be working the mailman side of the two tasks. Both are involving list renames. The deployments page on wikitech has been updated with this information: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments I do not expect this work to take the entire window. However, during this time, mailing list traffic will fail to receive/send. Once mailman is restarted, it will process mailing list messages. That means that mailing list delivery may be sporadic, or not at all, during this window. Any messages sent during this time will process either during or directly after the end of the maintenance. -- Rob Halsell Operations Engineer Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. E-Mail: rhalsell(a)wikimedia.org Key fingerprint = CB1F C7E7 0FF8 5DB2 6820 9C7E 75ED 14C7 *0245 D22A*Office: 415.839.6885 x6620 Fax: 415.882.0495

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