Hoi,
The arn code was in use before the existence of the ISO-639-3. It already
existed in the ISO-639-2. Consequently the code is not of the making of SIL.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 2 December 2012 22:03, Osmar Valdebenito <osmar(a)wikimediachile.cl> wrote:
Hi!
Please, consider this request seriously. We are talking here about the
viability of a future project, not just a whim.
The code is not a random choice, it comes obviously from a pejorative word
as Elisa mentioned. Maybe for some of you it is "just a code", but for
others is a symbol of oppresion and how their language was suppressed for
centuries. SIL probably chose that code because they weren't aware of that
and when they did, they only changed the name because it was easier...
after all, mostly nobody see the ISO code. But in our case, we do. We type
everyday the ISO code of our language to enter our Wikipedia edition. We
can't ask Mapuche people to just ignore the use of *araucano *everytime
they are going to use Wikipedia. I have met several times with Mapudungun
speakers and one thing is clear: they won't work on Wikipedia if it is
arn.wikipedia.org and it will be a shame that once again we will lose an
important piece of human knowledge because we weren't able to understand
the costumes and culture of other groups.
Yes, there are rules (although I've seen that the only rule is that an
eligible language should have an ISO code, not that the final version
should use exactly that code, but that is a technicality) but there have
been several exemptions in the past.
There are ways to avoid this problem if we want to. We can use an unused
two-letter code (as Microsoft used for the Mapudungun version of Windows,
"mp"), a three-letter code ("map" is used for a family of languages,
just
like "ine" is for Indo-European languages so it won't be used or a
reserved
code for local use) or other solution (a four-letter code like "mapu", for
example). One of my favourite rules on Wikipedia is [[WP:IGNORE|Ignore
rules]] if one prevent us from improving or maintaining Wikipedia. I'm just
asking that.
Osmar Valdebenito G.
2012/12/2 Carlos Manuel Colina <jewbask(a)wikimedia.org.ve>
**
Someone at Wikimedia Chile (Osmar, I guess) made a formal request some
years ago to change the ISO code, but it was ignored and eventually they
replied saying "no".
Changing an ISO language code is complex because it is costly but hey,
using something like "mpx" could be a solution acceptable for the Mapuche
people. Also, don't we have reserved codes starting with x ?
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*Date: *Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:35:15 -0700
*To: *<jewbask(a)wikimedia.org.ve>
*Subject: *Re: [Langcom-observers] [Langcom-l] Change the code arn of
mapudungun wikimedia
Some codes that are currently unused:
mun
mac
I'm sure there are others, just some ideas to try. Did anyone submit a
request to the ISO authority? There is no reason an additional code cannot
be added, preserving backwards compatibility, due to the fact that "arn" is
a highly offensive language code.
2012/12/2 Carlos Manuel Colina <jewbask(a)wikimedia.org.ve>
Yes but I remember we discussed some time ago
the possibility of using
an _unused_ code for this particular case, if we received enough support
from the Mapuche community.
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Subject: Re: [Langcom-l] Change the code arn of mapudungun wikimedia
On 2 Dec 2012, at 16:38, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
The reasons why the code arn will remain in use
in the standard are
published.
Moreover, "map" and "mpg" are already in use.
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=map
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=mpg
Michael Everson *
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