Dear Erik, (Also copying in the Cultural Partners and GLAMwiki Toolset mailing lists as Erik's email below is directly is related to them).
Thank you for this email with the explicit invitation for groups in the Wikimedia movement to directly take responsibility for supporting the technology needs of GLAM partnerships. Different groups in the movement have different capacities and different areas of priority - and that is how it should be :-) We each need to try and 'bite off what we can chew' in a way that is coordinated, mutually beneficial, and not a duplication of each others' efforts.
To that end... Over the last couple of years *Europeana*[1] has been increasingly involved in supporting tech development for mediawiki that is specifically targeted at addressing the needs of the GLAMwiki community. I note that the report you linked to on the stats that GLAMs want[1] and also the GLAMwiki Toolset for mass multimedia upload which you also mentioned[2] are both *Europeana* projects - in collaboration with several European Wikimedia Chapters.
On behalf of *Europeana *I would like to confirm that we wish to become even more involved in this area and has the full intention of supporting further development in partnership with interested Chapters when possible. In the fullness of time, we intend to apply for a WMF grant in order to enable precisely that.
On the mediawiki.org discussion page for the 2014/15 Engineering goals there has been a fair bit of discussion about GLAM-related projects that are not in the WMF's own plans[4]. Fabrice, as "process owner" for the Multimedia section of those goals, has proposed on that talkpage a couple of meetings of interested parties to discuss how we can all work together effectively on this, notably in person at Wikimania, an offer which we definitely accept :-) I also agree with Illario's point that formalising WMF support for externally-developed software is an important criteria in any grant decisions and for organisational reputation. Fortunately Fabrice has specifically addressed this issue relating specifically to the GLAMwiki Toolset which is very helpful.[5]
Sincerely, Liam / Wittylama GLAMWIKI coordinator, Europeana.
[1] http://pro.europeana.eu/ [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia /commons/a/a2/Report_on_requirements_for_usage_and_reuse_statistics_for_GLAM_content. pdf [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:GLAMwiki_Toolset_Project [4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia _Engineering/2014-15_Goals#Image_view_analytics [5] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Engineering/2014-15_Goals# GLAMwiki_Toolset
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On 26 June 2014 05:54, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi folks,
At the Zurich Hackathon, I met with a couple of folks from WM-CH who were interested in talking about ways that chapters can get involved in engineering/product development, similar to WM-DE's work on Wikidata.
My recommendation to them was to consider working on GLAM-related tooling. This includes helping improve some of the reporting tools currently running in Labs (primarily developed by the illustrious and wonderful Magnus Manske in his spare time), but also meeting other requirements identified by the GLAM community [1] and potentially helping with the development of more complex MediaWiki-integrated tools like the GLAMWiki-Toolset.
There's work that only WMF is well positioned to do (like feeding all media view data into Hadoop and providing generalized reports and APIs), but a lot of work in the aforementioned categories could be done by any chapter and could easily be scaled up from 1 to 2 to 3 FTEs and beyond as warranted. That's because a lot of the tools are separate from MediaWiki, so code review and integration requirements are lower, and it's easier for technically proficient folks to help.
In short, I think this could provide a nice on-ramp for a chapter or chapters to support the work of volunteers in the cultural sector with appropriate technology. This availability of appropriate technology is clearly increasingly a distinguishing factor for Wikimedia relative to more commercial offerings in its appeal to the cultural sector.
At the same time, WMF itself doesn't currently prioritize work with the cultural sector very highly, which I think is appropriate given all the other problems we have to solve. So if this kind of work has to compete for attention with much more basic improvements to say the uploading pipeline or the editing tools, it's going to lose. Therefore I think having a "cultural tooling" team or teams in the larger movement would be appropriate.
I've not heard back from WM-CH yet on this, but I also don't think it's an exclusive suggestion, so wanted to put the idea in people's heads in case other organizations in the movement want to help with it. I do want WMF to solve the larger infrastructure problems, but the more specialized tooling is likely _not_ going to be high on our agenda anytime soon.
Thanks, Erik
[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Report_on_requirements_f...
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Hi Liam and Eric,
collaborating with GLAMs in Germany I can only stress how important technical support is to help GLAM to integrate their content to Wikimedia projects. Actually it is a trias of consultancy, technical support and seduce them with projects like coding da Vinci : the culture hackathon http://codingdavinci.de/. We are planning to enhance this support by more intense collaboration with EUROPEANA through the GLAM Wiki Tool kit - hopefully with Liam -, by launching a "Lizenzhinweisgenerator https://github.com/wmde/Lizenzverweisgenerator" helping users in an easy way to quote and reuse legally correct the data files on Commons, and thus ensuring GLAMs that "their" content will be widely spread but thread to them. And triggering the discussion on license issues on all legal levels. We would really appreciate it, if there would something like an international "task force" making sure as one point that the different tools are accessible in the different languages in different chapters and adapting them to national law where it is required.
As far as I can see time is right to harvest - let`s provide the service and tools to make it as easy and convenient as possible.
The meet up of GLAM-coordinators at the Wikimania would be a good starting point. Lilli Illiev http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lilli_Iliev_(WMDE)and Katja Ullrich http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Katja_Ullrich_(WMDE) will attend the Wikimania to meet as many of You as possible and share the knowledge.
Best regards
Barbara Fischer Kuratorin für Kulturpartnerschaften Jeweils persönlich von Montag bis Donnerstag für Sie erreichbar Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | NEU: Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-(0)44
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
2014-06-26 13:54 GMT+02:00 Liam Wyatt liamwyatt@gmail.com:
Dear Erik, (Also copying in the Cultural Partners and GLAMwiki Toolset mailing lists as Erik's email below is directly is related to them).
Thank you for this email with the explicit invitation for groups in the Wikimedia movement to directly take responsibility for supporting the technology needs of GLAM partnerships. Different groups in the movement have different capacities and different areas of priority - and that is how it should be :-) We each need to try and 'bite off what we can chew' in a way that is coordinated, mutually beneficial, and not a duplication of each others' efforts.
To that end... Over the last couple of years *Europeana*[1] has been increasingly involved in supporting tech development for mediawiki that is specifically targeted at addressing the needs of the GLAMwiki community. I note that the report you linked to on the stats that GLAMs want[1] and also the GLAMwiki Toolset for mass multimedia upload which you also mentioned[2] are both *Europeana* projects - in collaboration with several European Wikimedia Chapters.
On behalf of *Europeana *I would like to confirm that we wish to become even more involved in this area and has the full intention of supporting further development in partnership with interested Chapters when possible. In the fullness of time, we intend to apply for a WMF grant in order to enable precisely that.
On the mediawiki.org discussion page for the 2014/15 Engineering goals there has been a fair bit of discussion about GLAM-related projects that are not in the WMF's own plans[4]. Fabrice, as "process owner" for the Multimedia section of those goals, has proposed on that talkpage a couple of meetings of interested parties to discuss how we can all work together effectively on this, notably in person at Wikimania, an offer which we definitely accept :-) I also agree with Illario's point that formalising WMF support for externally-developed software is an important criteria in any grant decisions and for organisational reputation. Fortunately Fabrice has specifically addressed this issue relating specifically to the GLAMwiki Toolset which is very helpful.[5]
Sincerely, Liam / Wittylama GLAMWIKI coordinator, Europeana.
[1] http://pro.europeana.eu/ [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia /commons/a/a2/Report_on_requirements_for_usage_and_reuse_statistics_for_GLAM_content. pdf [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:GLAMwiki_Toolset_Project [4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia _Engineering/2014-15_Goals#Image_view_analytics [5] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia _Engineering/2014-15_Goals#GLAMwiki_Toolset
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On 26 June 2014 05:54, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi folks,
At the Zurich Hackathon, I met with a couple of folks from WM-CH who were interested in talking about ways that chapters can get involved in engineering/product development, similar to WM-DE's work on Wikidata.
My recommendation to them was to consider working on GLAM-related tooling. This includes helping improve some of the reporting tools currently running in Labs (primarily developed by the illustrious and wonderful Magnus Manske in his spare time), but also meeting other requirements identified by the GLAM community [1] and potentially helping with the development of more complex MediaWiki-integrated tools like the GLAMWiki-Toolset.
There's work that only WMF is well positioned to do (like feeding all media view data into Hadoop and providing generalized reports and APIs), but a lot of work in the aforementioned categories could be done by any chapter and could easily be scaled up from 1 to 2 to 3 FTEs and beyond as warranted. That's because a lot of the tools are separate from MediaWiki, so code review and integration requirements are lower, and it's easier for technically proficient folks to help.
In short, I think this could provide a nice on-ramp for a chapter or chapters to support the work of volunteers in the cultural sector with appropriate technology. This availability of appropriate technology is clearly increasingly a distinguishing factor for Wikimedia relative to more commercial offerings in its appeal to the cultural sector.
At the same time, WMF itself doesn't currently prioritize work with the cultural sector very highly, which I think is appropriate given all the other problems we have to solve. So if this kind of work has to compete for attention with much more basic improvements to say the uploading pipeline or the editing tools, it's going to lose. Therefore I think having a "cultural tooling" team or teams in the larger movement would be appropriate.
I've not heard back from WM-CH yet on this, but I also don't think it's an exclusive suggestion, so wanted to put the idea in people's heads in case other organizations in the movement want to help with it. I do want WMF to solve the larger infrastructure problems, but the more specialized tooling is likely _not_ going to be high on our agenda anytime soon.
Thanks, Erik
[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Report_on_requirements_f...
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Hi Barbara,
Thank you for your reply - I will be in touch very soon on exactly what you have suggested. Joris, Jesse and I are preparing the documentation for a Europeana Task Force focused on Wikimedia developments, to fit within their wider framework of task forces http://pro.europeana.eu/web/guest/network/task-forces Its broad task will be to identify what has gone on (and currently going on ) in this space, and to set a strategy for future Europeana-Wikimedia relations... and I think you've just nominated yourself to be part of it :-) More on this soon...
I'd like to hear more about the "Lizenzhinweisgenerator" too as I am setting the framework in this pre-wikimania period to build roadmap for a WMF grant to develop the next-generation of the GLAMwikiToolset and related projects.
-Liam
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On 3 July 2014 20:34, Barbara Fischer barbara.fischer@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hi Liam and Eric,
collaborating with GLAMs in Germany I can only stress how important technical support is to help GLAM to integrate their content to Wikimedia projects. Actually it is a trias of consultancy, technical support and seduce them with projects like coding da Vinci : the culture hackathon http://codingdavinci.de/. We are planning to enhance this support by more intense collaboration with EUROPEANA through the GLAM Wiki Tool kit - hopefully with Liam -, by launching a "Lizenzhinweisgenerator https://github.com/wmde/Lizenzverweisgenerator" helping users in an easy way to quote and reuse legally correct the data files on Commons, and thus ensuring GLAMs that "their" content will be widely spread but thread to them. And triggering the discussion on license issues on all legal levels. We would really appreciate it, if there would something like an international "task force" making sure as one point that the different tools are accessible in the different languages in different chapters and adapting them to national law where it is required.
As far as I can see time is right to harvest - let`s provide the service and tools to make it as easy and convenient as possible.
The meet up of GLAM-coordinators at the Wikimania would be a good starting point. Lilli Illiev http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lilli_Iliev_(WMDE)and Katja Ullrich http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Katja_Ullrich_(WMDE) will attend the Wikimania to meet as many of You as possible and share the knowledge.
Best regards
Barbara Fischer Kuratorin für Kulturpartnerschaften Jeweils persönlich von Montag bis Donnerstag für Sie erreichbar Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | NEU: Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-(0)44
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
2014-06-26 13:54 GMT+02:00 Liam Wyatt liamwyatt@gmail.com:
Dear Erik, (Also copying in the Cultural Partners and GLAMwiki Toolset mailing lists as Erik's email below is directly is related to them).
Thank you for this email with the explicit invitation for groups in the Wikimedia movement to directly take responsibility for supporting the technology needs of GLAM partnerships. Different groups in the movement have different capacities and different areas of priority - and that is how it should be :-) We each need to try and 'bite off what we can chew' in a way that is coordinated, mutually beneficial, and not a duplication of each others' efforts.
To that end... Over the last couple of years *Europeana*[1] has been increasingly involved in supporting tech development for mediawiki that is specifically targeted at addressing the needs of the GLAMwiki community. I note that the report you linked to on the stats that GLAMs want[1] and also the GLAMwiki Toolset for mass multimedia upload which you also mentioned[2] are both *Europeana* projects - in collaboration with several European Wikimedia Chapters.
On behalf of *Europeana *I would like to confirm that we wish to become even more involved in this area and has the full intention of supporting further development in partnership with interested Chapters when possible. In the fullness of time, we intend to apply for a WMF grant in order to enable precisely that.
On the mediawiki.org discussion page for the 2014/15 Engineering goals there has been a fair bit of discussion about GLAM-related projects that are not in the WMF's own plans[4]. Fabrice, as "process owner" for the Multimedia section of those goals, has proposed on that talkpage a couple of meetings of interested parties to discuss how we can all work together effectively on this, notably in person at Wikimania, an offer which we definitely accept :-) I also agree with Illario's point that formalising WMF support for externally-developed software is an important criteria in any grant decisions and for organisational reputation. Fortunately Fabrice has specifically addressed this issue relating specifically to the GLAMwiki Toolset which is very helpful.[5]
Sincerely, Liam / Wittylama GLAMWIKI coordinator, Europeana.
[1] http://pro.europeana.eu/ [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia /commons/a/a2/Report_on_requirements_for_usage_and_reuse_statistics_for_GLAM_content. pdf [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:GLAMwiki_Toolset_Project [4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia _Engineering/2014-15_Goals#Image_view_analytics [5] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia _Engineering/2014-15_Goals#GLAMwiki_Toolset
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On 26 June 2014 05:54, Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi folks,
At the Zurich Hackathon, I met with a couple of folks from WM-CH who were interested in talking about ways that chapters can get involved in engineering/product development, similar to WM-DE's work on Wikidata.
My recommendation to them was to consider working on GLAM-related tooling. This includes helping improve some of the reporting tools currently running in Labs (primarily developed by the illustrious and wonderful Magnus Manske in his spare time), but also meeting other requirements identified by the GLAM community [1] and potentially helping with the development of more complex MediaWiki-integrated tools like the GLAMWiki-Toolset.
There's work that only WMF is well positioned to do (like feeding all media view data into Hadoop and providing generalized reports and APIs), but a lot of work in the aforementioned categories could be done by any chapter and could easily be scaled up from 1 to 2 to 3 FTEs and beyond as warranted. That's because a lot of the tools are separate from MediaWiki, so code review and integration requirements are lower, and it's easier for technically proficient folks to help.
In short, I think this could provide a nice on-ramp for a chapter or chapters to support the work of volunteers in the cultural sector with appropriate technology. This availability of appropriate technology is clearly increasingly a distinguishing factor for Wikimedia relative to more commercial offerings in its appeal to the cultural sector.
At the same time, WMF itself doesn't currently prioritize work with the cultural sector very highly, which I think is appropriate given all the other problems we have to solve. So if this kind of work has to compete for attention with much more basic improvements to say the uploading pipeline or the editing tools, it's going to lose. Therefore I think having a "cultural tooling" team or teams in the larger movement would be appropriate.
I've not heard back from WM-CH yet on this, but I also don't think it's an exclusive suggestion, so wanted to put the idea in people's heads in case other organizations in the movement want to help with it. I do want WMF to solve the larger infrastructure problems, but the more specialized tooling is likely _not_ going to be high on our agenda anytime soon.
Thanks, Erik
[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Report_on_requirements_f...
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In my opinion your are putting on the table an important question, dear Barbara.
The question is how approaching the GLAM tools.
In every software there is a need, after there is a development, and after there is an acceptance because who asked to have a tool may say that the "functionalities" don't match the requirements.
The tool can be fantastic, multitasking, multifunctional, portable, efficient, and so on BUT cannot do some basic functions required by a GLAM project.
The main problem, for instance, is that it's hard to use, not friendly, it requires a long training...
The problem is to have technicians designing softwares for technicians or implementing softwares for technicians.
I think that it's fundamental that the requests and the acceptance MUST be done by GLAM operators and that the tools must implement ONLY what is required, nothing else.
I remember that some months ago there was a discussion here about the tools required by GLAM projects... there were several emails and the request was for the GLAMwiki tooolkit.
After some months it would be happy to know who is using it, which projects are having benefits from it and how quantify the relation costs/benefits.
I think that the GLAM-coordinators must take their right position in this process and must organize a "task force" to collect requirements and to submit these requirements to the community of developers and to evaluate the final results asking for corrections or re-engineering. If the GLAM coordinators will not be bold, the risk is to have terabytes of unusable software or tools.
This role is fundamental for a correct approach to this problem.
regards
On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Barbara Fischer < barbara.fischer@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi Liam and Eric,
collaborating with GLAMs in Germany I can only stress how important technical support is to help GLAM to integrate their content to Wikimedia projects. Actually it is a trias of consultancy, technical support and seduce them with projects like coding da Vinci : the culture hackathon http://codingdavinci.de/. We are planning to enhance this support by more intense collaboration with EUROPEANA through the GLAM Wiki Tool kit - hopefully with Liam -, by launching a "Lizenzhinweisgenerator https://github.com/wmde/Lizenzverweisgenerator" helping users in an easy way to quote and reuse legally correct the data files on Commons, and thus ensuring GLAMs that "their" content will be widely spread but thread to them. And triggering the discussion on license issues on all legal levels. We would really appreciate it, if there would something like an international "task force" making sure as one point that the different tools are accessible in the different languages in different chapters and adapting them to national law where it is required.
As far as I can see time is right to harvest - let`s provide the service and tools to make it as easy and convenient as possible.
The meet up of GLAM-coordinators at the Wikimania would be a good starting point. Lilli Illiev http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lilli_Iliev_(WMDE)and Katja Ullrich http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Katja_Ullrich_(WMDE) will attend the Wikimania to meet as many of You as possible and share the knowledge.
Best regards
Barbara Fischer Kuratorin für Kulturpartnerschaften Jeweils persönlich von Montag bis Donnerstag für Sie erreichbar Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | NEU: Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-(0)44
Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.